Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIV: 2021: “The Fun has begun” or “Over & done”?

[Oscar Lindberg]

Isn’t Larkin considered more of a 1B at this point? I haven’t really followed him much recently

 

[Reway10]

Isn’t Larkin considered more of a 1B at this point? I haven’t really followed him much recently

i think he is, would definitely prefer Eichel over him if we can get him without including Fox, Laf, KK, Shesty or Miller

 

[Ola]

Is Larkin for Chytil a reverse Brass for Ziba deal?

Honestly, I would do that trade. Chytil,, Georgiev and Hajak for Larkin and our 2nd.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm more than okay having a couple of guys in that 1B role than a designated 1A center, especially with the wingers the team has. Finding another Larkin would be the hard part unless the team thinks they can re-sign Zibanejad for something more reasonable now.

Larkin @ ~$7m per season and Zibanejad @ $8m per season seems like a better grouping than Eichel @ $10m + 2nd line center like Strome @ $5m.

 

[duhmetreE]

The same coach put a hobbled Panarin out on the ice for a PP but he's not fit to play tomorrow? 1 more practice will obviously make him game ready. Good thing we dont need a spark or offense.

Asinine

 

[duhmetreE]

Isn’t Larkin considered more of a 1B at this point? I haven’t really followed him much recently

Larkin can blossom into a great top line center. He plays in all facets of the game and would be a PERFECT fit with our wingers/team make up.

Brayden Point and Larkin are very similar in styles/skills IMO

 

[RGY]

Isn’t Larkin considered more of a 1B at this point? I haven’t really followed him much recently

I would be extremely happy with a 1B

Edit: I would absolutely not deal Chytil for Larkin. Sorta defeats the purpose. Thats not the Center I would fork over Chytil for.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

When evaluation Larkin, keep in mind he plays an absurd amount of minutes. 9th in the entire NHL among forwards. Kane, Matthews, McDavid, Scheifele, Marner, Guentzel, Barzal, DeBrincat, Larkin, Eichel is the top 10. Plays over 3 min / game on the PP. That's Kreider/Strome level usage for context.

My point is - he gets a ton of opportunity given Detroit's roster. Have to think if he comes here his production is at best is staying flat...55-65 point output. Could be in for a Trouba-esque contract if they trade for and extend him based on his history, while his usage changes a good deal.

 

[Fitzy]

The same coach put a hobbled Panarin out on the ice for a PP but he's not fit to play tomorrow? 1 more practice will obviously make him game ready. Good thing we dont need a spark or offense.

Asinine

I'd put Panarin out there with the flu considering how we've been playing of late. We played friggin Jagr with only one arm in it's socket when we needed to.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd put Panarin out there with the flu considering how we've been playing of late. We played friggin Jagr with only one arm in it's socket when we needed to.

That guy was a legit workhorse.

 

[Fitzy]

That guy was a legit workhorse.

NHL Stats

Highest TOI/GP among NYR forwards in the lockout era, all while never seeing PK time.

 

[Off Sides]

Just keep drafting centers until they get it right. Kakko and Laf are like 20, the centers this draft will be like 2 year younger than them. Then do it again next draft and those draftees are like 3 years younger.

Or Trade Zbad, Strome, for a center that is already drafted and is about their age. (I'd put Kreider, Trouba with them too)

I'm not chasing the dream that Panarin, Zbad, Kreider, Strome, Trouba are leading the Rangers to a Cup.

By the time Kakko, Laf, Miller, Chyil start to be really good (if ever) 2 of those 5 will need new deals, another of them will probably be declining, and it's difficult for me to believe the best of Panarin is going to happen when he is 32 and older, or that Trouba will be any better than he is right now.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Howden has a role on the team, i take no issue with him playing. PDG has no role here and i have no idea why Lemieux was scratched in favor of him.

Well. Maybe his role is LW.

He played LW with Chytil and Kakko before the pause last year and that line was doing very well.

 

[Fitzy]

Just keep drafting centers until they get it right. Kakko and Laf are like 20, the centers this draft will be like 2 year younger than them. Then do it again next draft and those draftees are like 3 years younger.

Or Trade Zbad, Strome, for a center that is already drafted and is about their age. (I'd put Kreider, Trouba with them too)

I'm not chasing the dream that Panarin, Zbad, Kreider, Strome, Trouba are leading the Rangers to a Cup.

By the time Kakko, Laf, Miller, start to be good (if ever) 2 of those 4 will need new deals, another of them will probably be declining, and it's difficult for me to believe the best of Panarin is going to happen when he is 32 and older.

Not the best, but cup teams have contributing players in their 30's all the damn time. I don't remember Chicago complaining about age 35 Marian Hossa, or Washington feeling like 35 year old OV is useless.

A 70 point Panarin at age 33 on the 2nd line is still gonna be a hell of a guy to have around. At this stage there's no reason to expect that he won't age more like Martin St. Louis than Brad Richards.

The whole team is never going to be in its prime at once. It's about being smart about which players we keep into their 30's (IE not Lindgren, Girardi, Staal types) and making sure we don't trade away all our picks and prospects so that we can continue to cycle in new talent.

Also keep an eye on UDFAs like Pionk, Zuccarello, Zach Aston Reese, and others who can contribute on a budget.

Side note- Pat Kane is perhaps Panarin's best comparison, and he's fully on top of his game still at age 32. Playmakers can have hell long careers.

 

[MrAlmost]

Not the best, but cup teams have contributing players in their 30's all the damn time. I don't remember Chicago complaining about age 35 Marian Hossa, or Washington feeling like 35 year old OV is useless.

A 70 point Panarin at age 33 on the 2nd line is still gonna be a hell of a guy to have around. At this stage there's no reason to expect that he won't age more like Martin St. Louis than Brad Richards.

The whole team is never going to be in its prime at once. It's about being smart about which players we keep into their 30's (IE not Lindgren, Girardi, Staal types) and making sure we don't trade away all our picks and prospects so that we can continue to cycle in new talent.

Also keep an eye on UDFAs like Pionk, Zuccarello, Zach Aston Reese, and others who can contribute on a budget.

Side note- Pat Kane is perhaps Panarin's best comparison, and he's fully on top of his game still at age 32. Playmakers can have hell long careers.

However, a lot of those teams get those players off of buyouts or retention trades. Got to be on the lookout for good candidates for that.

 

[Off Sides]

Not the best, but cup teams have contributing players in their 30's all the damn time. I don't remember Chicago complaining about age 35 Marian Hossa, or Washington feeling like 35 year old OV is useless.

A 70 point Panarin at age 33 on the 2nd line is still gonna be a hell of a guy to have around. At this stage there's no reason to expect that he won't age more like Martin St. Louis than Brad Richards.

The whole team is never going to be in its prime at once. It's about being smart about which players we keep into their 30's (IE not Lindgren, Girardi, Staal types) and making sure we don't trade away all our picks and prospects so that we can continue to cycle in new talent.

Also keep an eye on UDFAs like Pionk, Zuccarello, Zach Aston Reese, and others who can contribute on a budget.

Side note- Pat Kane is perhaps Panarin's best comparison, and he's fully on top of his game still at age 32. Playmakers can have hell long careers.

Fine then keep Panarin and unload the rest.

For a Cup team, the age grouping do not currently make much sense, neither does the forward looking cap structure. For a team who wants to be good but not that good, everything is fine.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

In an ideal world, I think the idea was to build the roster where they could compete for a championship while Panarin, Kreider, and Mika in their primes and the young guys still relatively cheap

And then have another run with Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller and crew in their primes and hope guys like Panarin are still good enough at the end of their contract

Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

That guy was a legit workhorse.

Was? Muthaf***a still is. He still hasn’t hung em up.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Bettman just said on the NHL ESPN conference call they expect the cap to stay flat/near flat for the next 4 years

 

[Fitzy]

Bettman just said on the NHL ESPN conference call they expect the cap to stay flat/near flat for the next 4 years

Cap space is going to be worth it's weight in gold. ELC players, bargain bin veterans, you name it.

Probably a big reason why we couldn't get a good return for Ryan Strome, and theres little interest in DeAngelo without retention.

 

[gravey9]

There's a big positive to the Rangers being outside the playoff picture. When Lundkvist and Kravtsov are ready to come over there's a higher likelihood they could be inserted into the lineup.

I think this year really needs to be about evaluating players prior to the expansion draft and off-season moves. And evaluating our goalies. The more I see of Gauthier, the more I want to keep him over Howden. I know that creates more holes at C if Howden is taken, but I'm less worried about that.

I'd also like to see Reunanen and Barron get a shot towards the end of the year. Not because either is banging down the door but because it'll be important to get their feet wet so they could compete for a roster spot next season. And two, it's not a bad idea for the Rangers to see what they have in those two and see just how close/far they are from contributing.

 

[JuiceNF]

Is any of this Larkin talk legit or just some of us throwing around ideas ?

 

[tomobson]

Quinn really makes it hard for people to like him. Johnson has supposedly been battling a lower body injury but he throws him in there anyways lol. Panarin is maybe a little rusty...sit him.

 

[Off Sides]

In an ideal world, I think the idea was to build the roster where they could compete for a championship while Panarin, Kreider, and Mika in their primes and the young guys still relatively cheap

And then have another run with Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller and crew in their primes and hope guys like Panarin are still good enough at the end of their contract

Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen

I agree that is what they were probably trying to do,

Yet now

Shesterkin is in his last year of his entry level contract. Kakko, Fox, are in year 2 of 3 of theirs. I think it's time to give up on that idea.

 

[bobbop]

Is any of this Larkin talk legit or just some of us throwing around ideas ?

Likely the latter.

We are very good at window shopping around here.