Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIV: 2021: “The Fun has begun” or “Over & done”?

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I want leadership on the ICE not the STUDIO. Fer Chrissakes!

Wow they’re trying to ruin the one good thing we have in Vally. Disgusting!

 

[bl02]

defensively you cant compare pionk and trouba. That being said I think everyone has said from the start trouba is making maybe 1mil more than he should've gotten, and at the time of the trade our rd depth was NOTHING like what it is projecting now.

Probably looking like he’s overpaid by 2-3 million honestly. He’s no longer close to being a number 1 RHD.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Brett Howden has one primary point in the last 28 games.



But no, don't healthy scratch him. Don't waive him. He's a glue player!

 

[bleedblue94]

Probably looking like he’s overpaid by 2-3 million honestly. He’s no longer close to being a number 1 RHD.

at worst he is an matchup top 4 d that pks and eats big minutes. Those kind of d men are not 5mil when you are buying out ufa years. if you want to say he is 1.5 overpaid than fine, why argue it, all that does is underscore the importance of handling contracts properly with the younger/controllable core players and not going the cap self destruct mode of the leafs. Pietrangelo is 31 and just landed a 7 year contract paying him 8.8aav until he is 37. Trouba's deal takes him till he is 32 and eats him prime years. Over the full life of the contracts I would take trouba every time.

 

[itsPLkielbasa]

Brett Howden has one primary point in the last 28 games.



But no, don't healthy scratch him. Don't waive him. He's a glue player!

I don't understand the love Quinn has for him. It's been mind blowing to say the least. Rooney has been pretty bad as well.

We don't really have any replacements for him though which is pretty bad in itself. I guess this is what happens when you don't draft a C for the past few years in the top two rounds other than Chytil.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I don't understand the love Quinn has for him. It's been mind blowing to say the least. Rooney has been pretty bad as well.

We don't really have any replacements for him though which is pretty bad in itself. I guess this is what happens when you don't draft a C for the past few years in the top two rounds other than Chytil.

We kind of do, actually. Morgan Barron is playing well in Hartford. And even in the NHL, Zibanejad, Strome (who I think should get traded), Chytil, Rooney, Blackwell...can all play center.

 

[bleedblue94]

I don't understand the love Quinn has for him. It's been mind blowing to say the least. Rooney has been pretty bad as well.

We don't really have any replacements for him though which is pretty bad in itself. I guess this is what happens when you don't draft a C for the past few years in the top two rounds other than Chytil.

Rooney is fine as a 4c. He is getting exposed playing 3rd line mins right now, but he is fine in a limited crash and bang 5v5 and pk role

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Anyone upset about letting Pionk go should watch their play in series vs Calgary last year.

He got mauled. It was so bad that I was waiting for JR to pop in and tell the refs to stop the match

He was also a UDFA college signing. It was great asset management, at worst.

 

[itsPLkielbasa]

Rooney is fine as a 4c. He is getting exposed playing 3rd line mins right now, but he is fine in a limited crash and bang 5v5 and pk role

I agree with this. Rooney should be the 4C and once Chytil is healthy enough, that should happen. Not sure if Chytil is just bad at faceoffs or is his injury holding him back?

 

[NYR Viper]

Probably looking like he’s overpaid by 2-3 million honestly. He’s no longer close to being a number 1 RHD.

Lets look back at when the contract was signed. The cap was projected to keep increasing AND COVID was not on anyone's radar.

Doughty had just signed for $11m
Karlsson had just signed for $11.5m
Myers had just signed for $6m
Carlson had just signed for $8m
Pietrangelo got $8.8 (in Vegas)
Spurgeon got $7.575m
Faulk got $6.5m
Stralman got $5.5m (In Florida)
Josi - $9.059m
Krug got $6.5m
Cabot got $8m

Trouba @ $8m isn't seeming that out of line for UFA years.

 

[MrAlmost]

Cally is actually pretty good in the studio. I don't know if it will be as good as Vally, but we will see. I think if he wanted to he would be a better color guy than Michaletti.

Trouba is not the problem. Our defense as a whole is one of the few reasons this team is .500. If not for them, than you would absolutely be looking a lottery pick right in the mouth.

 

[bleedblue94]

We kind of do, actually. Morgan Barron is playing well in Hartford. And even in the NHL, Zibanejad, Strome (who I think should get traded), Chytil, Rooney, Blackwell...can all play center.

Part of the issue may also be they are looking to move him (bennett?) but once you start scratching him what does that say to other organizations about how you value the player and does it depreciate the value? I mean we look at bennett not dressing and start yelling that we should get him cheap bc the flames dont value him, that works both ways and for a young player it can nuke any value. Not saying it is the right decision but it could be playing a role as well.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Brett Howden has one primary point in the last 28 games.



But no, don't healthy scratch him. Don't waive him. He's a glue player!

I'm usually reluctant to sh!t on players like a lot of people do here, but Howden is a as non-impact of a player as I've seen in a while. Dime a dozen doesn't even do it justice, to be honest. He does some things well...fine on the PK, responsible in his own zone, always gives a good effort. Problem is, he's soft and unassertive. That's not going to get it done in the NHL. I had similar concerns with Hajek during his first 5-6 games, but he's become a more assertive/confident player lately. Howden has had enough time to show that and he just hasn't.

I'm guessing, if he isn't selected by Seattle, he won't be qualified this summer unless he'll sign for under $1M or whatever the limit is that they can bury in Hartford.

 

[NYR Viper]

I want leadership on the ICE not the STUDIO. Fer Chrissakes!

Vally working from home, perhaps he came into contact with someone with COVID? It says he will be calling in via video call

 

[bleedblue94]

I agree with this. Rooney should be the 4C and once Chytil is healthy enough, that should happen. Not sure if Chytil is just bad at faceoffs or is his injury holding him back?

Rooney is playing the wing with him for faceoffs right now. Quinn even acknowledged that at one point. To me it makes more sense to put Kreider on his wing for FO and slot Rooney where he is most effective on the 4c

 

[Cmox]

Cally is actually pretty good in the studio. I don't know if it will be as good as Vally, but we will see. I think if he wanted to he would be a better color guy than Michaletti.

Which is funny considering how awkward he was on Letterman. But I guess it’s a bit different than reading The Top Ten?

 

[bleedblue94]

Vally working from home, perhaps he came into contact with someone with COVID? It says he will be calling in via video call

Last night during the game they mentioned Cally would join Vally in studio, now this morning Vally is remote so that says to me you could be correct on this.

 

[MrAlmost]

Vally working from home, perhaps he came into contact with someone with COVID? It says he will be calling in via video call

Or Vally is about to get an offer from ESPN? MSG Network has been like the feeder league for positions at NHL and NBC. I think Vally would do very well on National broadcasts.

 

[RGY]

Brett Howden has one primary point in the last 28 games.



But no, don't healthy scratch him. Don't waive him. He's a glue player!

Its because Quinn is a college coach. He cant bring himself to understand that this is the NHL. Its why he cant manage Howden vs Gauthier properly. In College, you can favor the “hard-workers” because there are way more of them than talent/raw-ability players. Hard-workers can have more success in college and help the team win games. They can be more of a difference maker there but it wouldnt translate to being an NHL player. In the NHL, it is a more even balance, in fact the talent/raw-ability players show up way more as the difference maker on any given night. The games are tighter, teams are more structured, neutral zones get clogged, defenders are more stingy. You need to bring something to the table. This is the monumental difference between a player like Howden (who I know played in Juniors but still applies here) and Julien Gauthier. Gauthier can go out there and make things happen. He has the size, strength, and speed, he has a good shot. And yet Quinn cant bring himself to give him more minutes. But he can absolutely continue to play Howden who flat out sucks but hey he works hard.

Quinn cant identify these things. He is stuck in his college ways hoping he can connect with the younger players, which yea is helpful, but when it comes time to implementing strategy and adapting during a game he just cannot figure it out. He and Oliver have no capability of implementing any PP strategy beyond what they know. There has been zero changes to the actual strategy on the PP. Zero changes to zone entries. Its just rinse and repeat with this coaching staff. With everything they do.

Quinn needs to go. Its not like he is some developmental guru, the only one in the world, and if we let him go Kakko/Laf/Chytil/etc will stagnate and fall apart. I’d argue that while there have been some small gains here and there, these young players are significantly behind in offensive production. Get another coach in here. Those kids will either sink or swim with their talent, but at least get a new voice and direction here. Change is good.

 

[NYR Viper]

Or Vally is about to get an offer from ESPN? MSG Network has been like the feeder league for positions at NHL and NBC. I think Vally would do very well on National broadcasts.

It seems to be a divisive topic here, but I really like Vally's analyses.

 

[Cmox]

Last night during the game they mentioned Cally would join Vally in studio, now this morning Vally is remote so that says to me you could be correct on this.

But wouldn’t they not let him be in the studio last night if that was the case? I never get the protocol rules.

 

[bl02]

Lets look back at when the contract was signed. The cap was projected to keep increasing AND COVID was not on anyone's radar.

Doughty had just signed for $11m
Karlsson had just signed for $11.5m
Myers had just signed for $6m
Carlson had just signed for $8m
Pietrangelo got $8.8 (in Vegas)
Spurgeon got $7.575m
Faulk got $6.5m
Stralman got $5.5m (In Florida)
Josi - $9.059m
Krug got $6.5m
Cabot got $8m

Trouba @ $8m isn't seeming that out of line for UFA years.

yep for sure some of those are overpaid just like Trouba that is all I’m saying. And let’s be frank I’m sure there are some on here that saw a number one RHD he certainly doesn’t look like one to me.
Only positive really is his age and one would think he shouldn’t decline to quickly.
And hopefully he is a positive influence and mentor to guys like Miller and others coming

 

[bleedblue94]

But wouldn’t they not let him be in the studio last night if that was the case? I never get the protocol rules.

like i said, last night vally and cally in studio together, this morning there is a tweet that vally is remote. so sometime from yesterday and this morning they think he was exposed?

 

[Off Sides]

Lets look back at when the contract was signed. The cap was projected to keep increasing AND COVID was not on anyone's radar.

Doughty had just signed for $11m
Karlsson had just signed for $11.5m
Myers had just signed for $6m
Carlson had just signed for $8m
Pietrangelo got $8.8 (in Vegas)
Spurgeon got $7.575m
Faulk got $6.5m
Stralman got $5.5m (In Florida)
Josi - $9.059m
Krug got $6.5m
Cabot got $8m

Trouba @ $8m isn't seeming that out of line for UFA years.

Trouba had a RFA year left when he signed. Other than Cabot all the others were pure UFA signings.

Even without that just because other teams are doing silly things, why do the Rangers need to follow?

 

[Fitzy]

It seems to be a divisive topic here, but I really like Vally's analyses.

He's good, but he makes a lot of the same errors as a lot of the more metric-obsessed posters around here.

Like implying that since passes have a higher goal rate on a 2 on 1, the holding player should always pass. That kind of thing ignores the nuance of the situation, the players involved, the position of the players coming down the ice, and 30 different factors that matter when making the decision to pass or shoot.