Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIV: 2021: “The Fun has begun” or “Over & done”?

[mas0764]

If you trade Chytil, then you are not trading Strome. There is NO ONE in the organization that is knocking on that door. Unless you are trying to trade him because you have Mika. But the latter is as good as gone the second you push the button on that deal. Which marries you to Strome (beyond his current contract) and leaves a crater at 3C.

The RW is not just a hole. It becomes a black hole Fine, Kakko is top-6. Gauthier? Kidding me, right? Kravstov? He is not remotely ready to contribute as a top-6 forward. In fact it may be another 2-5 years until he is. Just look at Buch.

To me that is just a trade off that is not necessary. The truly elite on this team are the wings and the D. That is who is going to take a lion's share of the camp. If you have such elite, drivers of play at wing, there is absolutely no need to have a play driving center. As we have seen with Panarin and Strome, when the chemistry works and you match a complimentary player with a high magnitude play driver, said complimentary player can rise above his level. IF the chemistry works and the complimentary player already has good skill levels.

I would much rather save the money, resign Buchnevich to a medium term deal, extend Strome to a medium term deal and kick the can down the road for a few years.

Again, make no mistake. In trading for Eichel, this instantly becomes a "win now" team. You now have 5 years left to win a Cup with him. And the roster is nowhere near completion.

Well I'm willing to compromise by kicking the can down the road even further by trading guys like Buch for "futures," that thus mature with Kakko and Laf, but you don't want to do that either.

 

[True Blue]

I expect the cap to rise dramatically. The TV revenue is going to like triple.

In the short term due to covid and due to TV deal still being a little ways off, things could get relatively tight but I do not think unmanageable. After that I think the Rangers are actually going to be in fantastic shape; as it's usually way easier to pay your own than to import talent from other teams in free agency. Teams will be operating with found money league-wide.

I don't even think it's unrealistic to foresee a scenario where you can re-sign Zibanejad and keep Eichel (and most of the other players you want). I think you are dramatically overselling how hard it will be to ice a team. Consider: We have Eichel's salary tied up right this second in Strome and DeAngelo basically. Move those two and it's break even. We aren't fretting about re-signing Fox, Kakko and Lafreniere just because Strome is on the roster, are we?

Though I do suspect in a number of years they may choose to move Zibanejad then, just because, better to get something from him in trade when he's 30.

Anyway, an Athletic article just addressed this the other day and it showed that it's all basically fine even with Eichel here.

In an Eichel trade, there is no number of years to trade Zibanejad. That trade is made before next year. You cannot bring on Eichel and then sign Zibanejad to what he will be looking for.

You can expect the cap to rise dramatically. That is conjecture. As is the belief that tv revenue will triple. Right now, that is fantasy. It could, but tv revenue tripling in several years is a pretty big leap.

Also makes no difference for the two years beyond this one.

 

[SRHRangers]

Where was all the lottery crying when Pittsburgh grabbed Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, J. Staal 4 years in a row?

 

[True Blue]

Well I'm willing to compromise by kicking the can down the road even further by trading guys like Buch for "futures," that thus mature with Kakko and Laf, but you don't want to do that either.

Forget what I want or do not want to do. That is pretty irrelevant. Gorton & JD want this team to compete for the playoffs. They are not trading what is basically becoming a top line 26 year old, 60ish point RW for futures.

 

[Fitzy]

Yes for some bizarre reason. NBCSN is calling it "Happy Hour" or some nonsense.

Thats all the excuse I need to drink on a weekday

 

[mas0764]

In an Eichel trade, there is no number of years to trade Zibanejad. That trade is made before next year. You cannot bring on Eichel and then sign Zibanejad to what he will be looking for.

You can expect the cap to rise dramatically. That is conjecture. As is the belief that tv revenue will triple. Right now, that is fantasy. I could, but tv revenue tripling in several years is a pretty big leap.

Also makes no difference for the two years beyond this one.

There is a difference between fantasy and informed conjecture. Fantasy is silly to count on, informed conjecture is smart to use for planning.

The NHL currently gets $200m a year from it's TV deal. That number is going to increase to more like $750m a year or more. It will absolutely not on any planet be less than $600m. The only "fantasy," there is a suggestion that it would do anything but triple.

 

[mas0764]

Forget what I want or do not want to do. That is pretty irrelevant. Gorton & JD want this team to compete for the playoffs. They are not trading what is basically becoming a top line 26 year old, 60ish point RW for futures.

Well then we can trade him for Eichel.

 

[rangers1314]

WHY IS Debrusk being mentioned on this board, then?

Its a roster building thread. Part of that discussion involves players from other teams who may be falling out of favor/be available for potential trades and what those trades could look like.

Hit the bricks.

 

[RGY]

What is wrong with adding DeBrusk?? Heavy forward.

 

[Graves94]

Eichel out tonight for the Sabres..upper body injury...

 

[Off Sides]

There is a difference between fantasy and informed conjecture. Fantasy is silly to count on, informed conjecture is smart to use for planning.

The NHL currently gets $200m a year from it's TV deal. That number is going to increase to more like $750m a year or more. It will absolutely not on any planet be less than $600m. The only "fantasy," there is a suggestion that it would do anything but triple.

Stole this from the business forum thread about the TV deal.

 

[bl02]

Eichel out tonight for the Sabres..upper body injury...

His shoulder has been pretty messed up. Wonder what extent the injury is.

 

[mas0764]

Stole this from the business forum thread about the TV deal.

I bet with streaming included they do.

 

[Daves a mess]

I see the "Should Alexei Lafreniere been drafted first over Byfield and Stutzle" debates have started. Anybody read the article? I'm too cheap to subscribe

 

[True Blue]

There is a difference between fantasy and informed conjecture. Fantasy is silly to count on, informed conjecture is smart to use for planning.

The NHL currently gets $200m a year from it's TV deal. That number is going to increase to more like $750m a year or more. It will absolutely not on any planet be less than $600m. The only "fantasy," there is a suggestion that it would do anything but triple.

Unless I am forgetting history, I have yet to see such a tripling of tv revenue from year to year.

 

[True Blue]

Well then we can trade him for Eichel.

Which brings up full circle back to why I would not do the deal.

 

[Off Sides]

Unless I am forgetting history, I have yet to see such a tripling of tv revenue from year to year.

I think its possible, yet if I were the Rangers I am not betting on that. The risk / reward scale does not balance.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I see the "Should Alexei Lafreniere been drafted first over Byfield and Stutzle" debates have started. Anybody read the article? I'm too cheap to subscribe

Stutzle has been very good. Lafreniere is slow and hasn't been that good. Byfield has been good in the AHL.

Thus, Laf still goes first but won't be that good and is slow. Stutzle goes second but will be more good and is not slow. Byfield goes third.

Pretty typical Promman (ie. shallow)

 

[Daves a mess]

Stutzle has been very good. Lafreniere is slow and hasn't been that good. Byfield has been good in the AHL.

Thus, Laf still goes first but won't be that good and is slow. Stutzle goes second but will be more good and is not slow. Byfield goes third.

Pretty typical Promman (ie. shallow)

Excellent. Thank you for the breakdown.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Down Goes Brown released their All-Disappointments team. 3 Rangers on the team lol. Zib 1C, Laf 4th line wing, and Trouba 3rd pair D (paired with Morrissey funny enough). Kakko and ADA also made the HM's. What a shitty season.


if you're interested in the whole list:

Hall - Zibanejad - Skinner
Ovechkin - Malkin - Parise (weird)
Duchene - Johansen - Domi
Gusev - Mantha - Lafreniere

hms: Konecny, Dadonov, Stepan, Laine, Kakko, Bennett, DeBrusk, Virtanen, Turris, Bonino, Arvidsson

Erik Karlsson - Seth Jones
Heiskanen - Ekman-Larsson
Morrissey - Trouba

hms: Krug, Pietrangelo, Subban, Myers, DeAngelo

Price
Bobrovsky
Murray

hms: Hart, Holtby, Greiss, Jarry, Martin Jones

 

[RangersFan1994]

What is wrong with adding DeBrusk?? Heavy forward.

he is nothing like his father and or a heavy forward. he is pretty soft from what I have seen.

 

[Kocur Dill]

What is wrong with adding DeBrusk?? Heavy forward.

Is Kreider going the other way?

DeBrusk is a top 6 LW. We already have 3 bonifieds.

Fwiw, I advocated heavy for Debrusk before the Kreider extension. I like his game too. But that ship sailed with the extension and drafting of Laf.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

so if Eichel dressed for Carolina, Philly, Boston or Jersey nobody would mind?

I have no prolem with us walking away from the trade talks if the return turns out to be too much. Let other teams overpay.

There are other centers to pursue.

 

[SRHRangers]

Down Goes Brown released their All-Disappointments team. 3 Rangers on the team lol. Zib 1C, Laf 4th line wing, and Trouba 3rd pair D (paired with Morrissey funny enough). Kakko and ADA also made the HM's. What a shitty season.


if you're interested in the whole list:

Hall - Zibanejad - Skinner
Ovechkin - Malkin - Parise (weird)
Duchene - Johansen - Domi
Gusev - Mantha - Lafreniere

hms: Konecny, Dadonov, Stepan, Laine, Kakko, Bennett, DeBrusk, Virtanen, Turris, Bonino, Arvidsson

Erik Karlsson - Seth Jones
Heiskanen - Ekman-Larsson
Morrissey - Trouba

hms: Krug, Pietrangelo, Subban, Myers, DeAngelo

Price
Bobrovsky
Murray

hms: Hart, Holtby, Greiss, Jarry, Martin Jones

Guy proves he doesn't watch hockey and is a statgeek.

Anyone that has watched Kakko knows that he is so much improved.

 

[Daves a mess]

Down Goes Brown released their All-Disappointments team. 3 Rangers on the team lol. Zib 1C, Laf 4th line wing, and Trouba 3rd pair D (paired with Morrissey funny enough). Kakko and ADA also made the HM's. What a shitty season.


if you're interested in the whole list:

Hall - Zibanejad - Skinner
Ovechkin - Malkin - Parise (weird)
Duchene - Johansen - Domi
Gusev - Mantha - Lafreniere

hms: Konecny, Dadonov, Stepan, Laine, Kakko, Bennett, DeBrusk, Virtanen, Turris, Bonino, Arvidsson

Erik Karlsson - Seth Jones
Heiskanen - Ekman-Larsson
Morrissey - Trouba

hms: Krug, Pietrangelo, Subban, Myers, DeAngelo

Price
Bobrovsky
Murray

hms: Hart, Holtby, Greiss, Jarry, Martin Jones

5 Rangers. In for the win!