Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIV: 2021: “The Fun has begun” or “Over & done”?

[Tob]

 

[EdJovanovski]

Of course..
Could the timing be any better?

Let’s be buyers now!

 

[I Eat Crow]

I actually like this

 

[Daves a mess]

Schneider has great physical tools. Lundkvist is one of the smartest defensemen in the world not in the NHL. I'm biased but I only rate Lundkvist so highly because he has the chance to be special with a floor no lower than that of Schneider or Robertson.

It's no knock on Schneider by any means, but I've been a big fan of the Robertson pick since day one. He's crazy underrated.

As is Zac Jones imo. Call me noodles but if I HAD to part with either Nils or Schneider. I'd part with Nils.

I agree with you on Robertson. Way underrated prospect.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I hate the changes, if anything just weight the lottery in the bottom of the league teams favor if you have to change the system at all.

 

[NYR]

Let’s be buyers now!

That's kinda what I was hoping for this year but now it's too late in the season, they're at 500 and not doing anything in the playoffs even if they were "lucky" enough to make it.
I suspect they will roll the dice in the lottery draft once again this year..

 

[Tob]

This is all because Detroit got 4th last year. Now the last place team can't finish worse than 3rd OA, that would have given Detroit Byfield or Stutzle at the very worse. It creates a floor for the worst teams as to how far they can fall. I'm fine with it, I hope we won't be touching the lottery by 2024 draft anyway. This gives us every opportunity still to win one even if every middling team is down to 2 lotto spots instead of 3.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Cannot really do that without salary going back the other way.

I’m sure there would be other pieces to make that work but that’s my main thinking on the actual value portion of any deal.

 

[itsPLkielbasa]

Maybe we can call VAN and ask about Elias Pettersson?

 

[IronBloodedLion]

The more I think about trading for Eichel the more nervous I get. I’ve said it in other threads, this has a real Rick Nash feel to it. It’s not a matter of if, but when, and whatever it costs is going to hurt. It makes sense because he’s a young, elite Center. You obviously make that move when it’s available, and he fits the timeline.

There’s also a part of me that wants to see the kids continue to develop and grow into their roles. I’d also like to see them really build the rest of the team, add quality vets with some grit to balance out the youth and skill.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I see now what people meant by Sabres fans being obnoxious. They expect a player of equal value for Eichel. What's the point of the trade then? Apparently Chytil, Kakko, Strome, and maybe Kravtsov (depending on when the edit was made) is not enough.

 

[Lion Hound]

Young NHLer (Chytil)
“A” Prospect (Kravtsov, Lundkvist, Schneider)
“B” Prospect (Robertson, Jones, Barron)
1st 2021 (most likely top 15) & 2nd 2022
OR
1st 2022 & conditional 2nd 2023 (becomes a 1st if Rangers win a round of the playoffs in either 2022 or 2023)

That would be my Eichel offer.

Where it would go sideways for any team trading for him is that in your deal mentioned there really isn't any cap hit or salary going the other way. That just wouldn't really happen in Todays NHL. Lets ssay Buff took Lundqvist and Robertson in the deal with Chytil. It's offset $7,444,323

$10,000,000 Total Cap
Eichel $10,000,000 UFA 2026/27

For

$2,555,677 Total Cap
Chytil $894,000 RFA 2021/22
Lundqvist $925,000 RFA 2022/23
Robertson $811,667
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Maybe something like the below...

1 of
Strome $4,500,000 or Buchnevich $3,250,000

1 of
Kravtsov $925,000, Lundkvist (?), Schneider $925,000

Tony DeAngelo half retained

A B Prospect (Jones, Barron, Robertson)

 

[Tob]

I see now what people meant by Sabres fans being obnoxious. They expect a player of equal value for Eichel. What's the point of the trade then. Apparently Chytil, Kakko, Strome, and maybe Kravtsov (depending on when the edit was made) is not enough.

that thread was a doozy.

 

[Fitzy]

If the NHL really wanted parity, they'd set each team's salary cap limit based on their previous season's performance.

This would, of course, be ridiculous, but you would certainly have parity.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I see now what people meant by Sabres fans being obnoxious. They expect a player of equal value for Eichel. What's the point of the trade then. Apparently Chytil, Kakko, Strome, and maybe Kravtsov (depending on when the edit was made) is not enough.

They’re unrealistic but I sympathize. The broader implications of trading Eichel suck for the fans

Basically everything the team has been building toward for more than half a decade was for nothing and will be starting over

 

[NYRKING30]

If the NHL really wanted parity, they'd set each team's salary cap limit based on their previous season's performance.

This would, of course, be ridiculous, but you would certainly have parity.

That is certainly a most ridiculous idea haha.

 

[jay from jersey]

I see now what people meant by Sabres fans being obnoxious. They expect a player of equal value for Eichel. What's the point of the trade then. Apparently Chytil, Kakko, Strome, and maybe Kravtsov (depending on when the edit was made) is not enough.

They are all off they’re meds. Don’t take it personal broski. They think Eichel is mixed with Jesus and a player of his echelon hasn’t been moved since the great one

 

[True Blue]

I’m sure there would be other pieces to make that work but that’s my main thinking on the actual value portion of any deal.

Buffalo is going to demand, and rightfully so, Chytil as the young ready to play center. They will not have interest in Strome. And then Buchnevich becomes the young top-2 line forward that is also ready to play and is already producing.

Given the players that are off limits to other teams, I cannot see how Buffalo comes away with more picks than actual ready to play players.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don’t expect the Rangers to be in the hunt for a draft lottery beyond this summer so they can change the rules all they want

 

[NYR]

Chytil is literally the center this team has been in search of for how long now??
You can't trade him.

Zbad on the other hand..Ask yourself this and while he's great when he's on..Do you really want to commit the money it would take to lock him up?
The only deal he's getting is going to be long term so if it were me?
I'd rather opt on the side of caution when it comes to Zbad..

What other options are there?
You really want to gamble on Barkov being available?
As if JG hasn't failed enough at that..

Any big trade needs to be revolved around Zibanejad..

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Where it would go sideways for any team trading for him is that in your deal mentioned there really isn't any cap hit or salary going the other way. That just wouldn't really happen in Todays NHL. Lets ssay Buff took Lundqvist and Robertson in the deal with Chytil. It's offset $7,444,323

$10,000,000 Total Cap
Eichel $10,000,000 UFA 2026/27

For

$2,555,677 Total Cap
Chytil $894,000 RFA 2021/22
Lundqvist $925,000 RFA 2022/23
Robertson $811,667
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Maybe something like the below...

1 of
Strome $4,500,000 or Buchnevich $3,250,000

1 of
Kravtsov $925,000, Lundkvist (?), Schneider $925,000

Tony DeAngelo half retained

A B Prospect (Jones, Barron, Robertson)

How is Lundkvist RFA in 2022/23?

 

[NYR]

I don’t expect the Rangers to be in the hunt for a draft lottery beyond this summer so they can change the rules all they want

Good luck with that lol

 

[Machinehead]

The fact that us winning it multiple times forced a rule change after what Pittsburgh and Edmonton got away with absolutely trucks any silly idea that it was rigged for us.

 

[Machinehead]

Good luck with that lol

We were going to pick 14th overall last year before we won the lottery and currently sit 9th with a cornucopia of games in hand on 10th, 11th, and 12th.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The fact that us winning it multiple times forced a rule change after what Pittsburgh and Edmonton got away with absolutely trucks any silly idea that it was rigged for us.

It's ridiculous.