Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIII: Smell a smaller trade incoming?

[HatTrick Swayze]

The Mark Stone sign and trade was basically Branstrom and some spare parts. What Lundqvist is doing in the SHL at his age is pretty prolific. If they want a prospect like that, then the remainder of that package is going to be pretty dismal. I don't think they aren't getting Lundqvist + Buch + Kravtsov + 1st.

I still think if they opt to deal him it is probably ultimately 4 pieces. NYR best offer would be Chytil (or maybe Buch), Lundqvist (or maybe Kravtsov), a 1st round pick (this year, potentially unprotected but either way will be a lottery pick), and a 4th smaller but still good piece that is on the Georgiev/Z Jones/Conditional pick level.

Does that get it done? I’m not sure. But that’s about what I expect the cost to be if they deal Eichel. Wildcard is if some team steps up with a package based around a much better NHLer than the NYR can offer. Hard to predict what that might be.

Another wildcard is if LA is willing to deal Turcotte and how high the Sabres are on him. Personally I think Turcotte’a perceived value >> his actual value and therefore make it likely that his availability seals the deal. I don’t think he’s a 1C at the NHL level but Buffalo could.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Plan A is to obtain Eichel, but if they move Zibanejad at this deadline and get a piece like Newhook or Krebs back but Buffalo decides to keep Eichel or move him elsewhere (Like LA for example) then they still have a great young C to groom and can go after someone like Nuge or Danault this offseason to take the tougher matchups, or even the possibility of a player like Barkov the following offseason (Hertl, Trocheck, Kadri, Couturier are all due to be UFAs the same off season as well, with Point and PLD as pending RFAs). Of course not all of these players will make it to UFA. Worst comes to worst, there will be bargain bin type players that can plug a hole for a season because of the flat cap/covid world we live in. They could even see about poaching a player at a discount because of the expansion draft coming up and lots of teams hurting for money.

That's a fair point about jumping on the contingency plan before any Eichel deal happens. Eichel or not, I would be surprised if Zibanejad is in this team's longer term plans. It's also a relatively bold assumption that Zib could return someone like Newhook or Krebs, but not impossible. That's who I'd ask for if I was Gorts offering Zib at 50% for 2 Cup runs...

 

[Trxjw]

I think thats a bit narrow way of approaching things. I think they first have to decide whether or not they want to keep Zibanejad around after his contract ends. I don't think its reasonable to expect they will be able to retain both Zibanejad and Eichel considering the money they have locked up elsewhere. If they determine they don't want Mika long term then they move him this deadline and have a lot of flexibility with how they fill out their center position.

I think it goes without saying that they have to make a call on Zib before executing on anything we've discussed. If they add Eichel they cannot keep Zib. That is very clear. However, what I'm saying is that you cannot trade Zib with the expectation that you're definitely getting Eichel over the summer. Because if you do that and then miss on Eichel, you're potentially in a very tough spot.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The Mark Stone sign and trade was basically Branstrom and some spare parts. What Lundqvist is doing in the SHL at his age is pretty prolific. If they want a prospect like that, then the remainder of that package is going to be pretty dismal. I don't think they aren't getting Lundqvist + Buch + Kravtsov + 1st.

Either it will be a 2-asset package with Lundkvist/Kakko + 1st, or it will be a 3 or 4-asset package with lesser prospects.

Just because the Rangers have a bunch of bluechip prospects, that doesn't mean they are trading them. The Nash return is probably the closest to what Buffalo will receive. Looking back at that, a realistic package would be Buchnevich (Dubinsky), Chytil (Anisimov), Robertson (Erixon) and a 1st.

Take away the 3rd round pick that came back in the trade.

I said this before but I don't think other teams will be able to put together a better offer as I highly doubt anyone will trade top prospects. LA isn't trading Byfield or Turcotte. Anaheim isn't trading Drysdale or Zegras. Ottawa isn't trading Stützle or Sanderson. Detroit isn't trading Seider or Raymond.

Why would the Rangers give up Kakko or Lafrenière or Lundkvist?

 

[cheech70]

I see the logic in dealing Zib at the deadline, given his cap it at 50% and the value he brings. Every Cup contender would want him. But I'm not sure the organization wants to add more "futures" to the mix and would probably prefer to make a push at the playoffs over selling off yet again (assuming they're within a few points of the playoff line come April).

You would probably sacrifice some value on the return if you trade him this summer instead of at the deadline. But if their goal is to actually just recoup one asset traded to Buffalo for Eichel (presumably Chytil), then they can probably still achieve that this summer.

Can you get Glass or Krebs?

 

[Trxjw]

I still think the package is Chytil + Buchnevich + Kravtsov + Lundkvist +/- 1st round pick +/- Georgiev.

If Buffalo is looking for a C and/or a D, I don’t see any substitutions for Chytil and Lundkvist. If they wanted DeAngelo they could have had him for free, and if Fox is off-limits there’s no way they’re taking any other D prospect than Lundkvist. IMO.

I'm offering a choice between Chytil/Buch and Kravtsov/Lundkvist and adding the 1st and Georgiev on top of it. 4 pieces is my absolute limit and at least one of them is a draft pick.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Another wildcard is if LA is willing to deal Turcotte and how high the Sabres are on him. Personally I think Turcotte’a perceived value >> his actual value and therefore make it likely that his availability seals the deal. I don’t think he’s a 1C at the NHL level but Buffalo could.

The other thing with Turcotte is there’s been conversations he may not even end up being a center at the NHL level.

Although I’m sure LA will say they see him as a center long term

 

[DutchShamrock]

If Chytil AND Buch are in it, then I am not putting both Lundkvist AND Kravtsov in it. Thats too much. Way too much.

We still pretty much suck. We can't sell off prospects like we are on the cusp and they are blocked by a contending squad.

Two roster players, a 1A prospect OR the 1st OR Georgiev, maybe a B prospect.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Can you get Glass or Krebs?

Glass is a pipe dream. I wouldn't get my hopes up for that.

Krebs, maybe...

 

[SRHRangers]

I'm at the point where I'm tired of the Eichel rumors and just stay on the rebuild plan.

Have Lundkvist up next year. Bring Kravtsov over.

Draft Beniers or Johnson.

 

[aufheben]

I'm offering a choice between Chytil/Buch and Kravtsov/Lundkvist and adding the 1st and Georgiev on top of it. 4 pieces is my absolute limit and at least one of them is a draft pick.

Man are you guys really this high on Kravtsov?

If Buffalo is getting a return for Eichel from a team with FIVE untouchable players in the organization, well, whatever they do get should be a lot.

 

[SRHRangers]

Man are you guys really this high on Kravtsov?

If Buffalo is getting a return for Eichel from a team with FIVE untouchable players in the organization, well, whatever they do get should be a lot.

Not the highest on Kravtsov, but he is definitely the most Boom/Bust potential.

I could see anything from a 30 goal RW, to Oleg Saprykin lol.

 

[NYR Viper]

I still think if they opt to deal him it is probably ultimately 4 pieces. NYR best offer would be Chytil (or maybe Buch), Lundqvist (or maybe Kravtsov), a 1st round pick (this year, potentially unprotected but either way will be a lottery pick), and a 4th smaller but still good piece that is on the Georgiev/Z Jones/Conditional pick level.

Does that get it done? I’m not sure. But that’s about what I expect the cost to be if they deal Eichel. Wildcard is if some team steps up with a package based around a much better NHLer than the NYR can offer. Hard to predict what that might be.

Another wildcard is if LA is willing to deal Turcotte and how high the Sabres are on him. Personally I think Turcotte’a perceived value >> his actual value and therefore make it likely that his availability seals the deal. I don’t think he’s a 1C at the NHL level but Buffalo could.

Looking back at past deals, Lundqvist and Chytil, to me, seem like better or similar to THE best pieces coming back for other players. I could be wrong, it just seems like a swift kick in the nuts to include both. Now if it's Chytil + Robertson or Strome + Lundqvist I can understand it more.

 

[NYR Viper]

Either it will be a 2-asset package with Lundkvist/Kakko + 1st, or it will be a 3 or 4-asset package with lesser prospects.

Just because the Rangers have a bunch of bluechip prospects, that doesn't mean they are trading them. The Nash return is probably the closest to what Buffalo will receive. Looking back at that, a realistic package would be Buchnevich (Dubinsky), Chytil (Anisimov), Robertson (Erixon) and a 1st.

Take away the 3rd round pick that came back in the trade.

I said this before but I don't think other teams will be able to put together a better offer as I highly doubt anyone will trade top prospects. LA isn't trading Byfield or Turcotte. Anaheim isn't trading Drysdale or Zegras. Ottawa isn't trading Stützle or Sanderson. Detroit isn't trading Seider or Raymond.

Why would the Rangers give up Kakko or Lafrenière or Lundkvist?

This pretty much echoes my sentiments on the matter.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This pretty much echoes my sentiments on the matter.

Nothing against any individual here putting up their proposals but when I see proposals of Buchnevich+Chytil+Lundkvist+Kravtsov+1st it comes awfully close to what Edmonton received for Wayne Gretzky and that's just nuts

 

[Trxjw]

Man are you guys really this high on Kravtsov?

If Buffalo is getting a return for Eichel from a team with FIVE untouchable players in the organization, well, whatever they do get should be a lot.

It's not that I'm incredibly high on Kravtsov -- though admittedly I think people have forgotten how good he could be. I just don't feel like we should be giving up 5 high-quality assets at this point in time. 4 is my limit in one trade unless we're getting another piece back with Eichel, in this case.

I'm not really interested in pursuing Eichel at all costs. If we can get him for the right price and without gutting our system then great. If not, I'd rather take my chances building around what we have. We're set up to have multiple elite wingers, multiple elite defensemen, and an elite goalie. I think we can get by with complimentary centers if we fight the right ones. Eichel is a luxury, not a desperate need.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Looking back at past deals, Lundqvist and Chytil, to me, seem like better or similar to THE best pieces coming back for other players. I could be wrong, it just seems like a swift kick in the nuts to include both. Now if it's Chytil + Robertson or Strome + Lundqvist I can understand it more.

I don’t necessarily disagree with that assessment. I am trying to valance with the fact that Eichel would be pretty much the biggest star traded at his age in recent history, as well as with what other teams could potentially offer.

 

[Avery16]

I'm at the point where I'm tired of the Eichel rumors and just stay on the rebuild plan.

Have Lundkvist up next year. Bring Kravtsov over.

Draft Beniers or Johnson.

and sign Barkov

 

[SRHRangers]

Nothing against any individual here putting up their proposals but when I see proposals of Buchnevich+Chytil+Lundkvist+Kravtsov+1st it comes awfully close to what Edmonton received for Wayne Gretzky and that's just nuts

No disrespect, but now you are exaggerating.

Carson scored 107 points as a19 year old before he was dealt in the Gretzky deal. He was basically an Eichel type back then.

Then add Gelinas, who was a 7th overall pick, and 3 more 1st rounders.

I understand you are bringing up Gretzky and it's a different beast, no one being discussed on the Rangers side on terms of prospects sniffs a 19 year old 2nd overall that put up 55 goals and 107 points in a season.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

No disrespect, but now you are exaggerating.

Carson scored 107 points as a19 year old before he was dealt in the Gretzky deal. He was basically an Eichel type back then.

Then add Gelinas, who was a 7th overall pick, and 3 more 1st rounders.

I understand you are bringing up Gretzky and it's a different beast, no one being discussed on the Rangers side on terms of prospects sniffs a 19 year old 2nd overall that put up 55 goals and 107 points in a season.

They also got Krushelnyski and McSorley in that deal. It wasn't just Gretzky.

My point is that a trade with what essentially comes down to 4 first round pick + a first line player is absolutely insane for Eichel. I'd consider that for McDavid, no one else.

 

[jay from jersey]

I'm at the point where I'm tired of the Eichel rumors and just stay on the rebuild plan.

Have Lundkvist up next year. Bring Kravtsov over.

Draft Beniers or Johnson.

Pray panthers free fall and Barkov wants to sign in ny when they take a brinks truck to his house

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Pray panthers free fall and Barkov wants to sign in ny when they take a brinks truck to his house

I dont think he wants to stay in Florida regardless.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I still think the package is Chytil + Buchnevich + Kravtsov + Lundkvist +/- 1st round pick +/- Georgiev.

If Buffalo is looking for a C and/or a D, I don’t see any substitutions for Chytil and Lundkvist. If they wanted DeAngelo they could have had him for free, and if Fox is off-limits there’s no way they’re taking any other D prospect than Lundkvist. IMO.

thats WAYYYYY too much

 

[Rangers in 7]

some of the proposals on here are absolutely ridiculous....we are not trading 4 of our top prospects plus a first round pick plus a roster player

that is ludicrous

 

[duhmetreE]

I still think the package is Chytil + Buchnevich + Kravtsov + Lundkvist +/- 1st round pick +/- Georgiev.

If Buffalo is looking for a C and/or a D, I don’t see any substitutions for Chytil and Lundkvist. If they wanted DeAngelo they could have had him for free, and if Fox is off-limits there’s no way they’re taking any other D prospect than Lundkvist. IMO.

That would get us McDavid+

That's an absurd overpayment