Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIII: Smell a smaller trade incoming?

[Calad]

So, unless we include Chytil, any trade involving Eichel and the Rangers would likely wait until summer then? Correct me if I'm wrong, but trading Chytil for Eichel while (somewhat) simultaneously moving Zib for a younger C to replace Chytil seems like way too many moving parts to happen mid season. Summer allows you time to a) put together a package for Eichel that won't severely impact your on-ice roster and b) replace the pieces you shipped to Buffalo in a precursory/subsequent trade of Zibanejad.

I guess a 3-way is possible, but that would be one of the craziest in-season trades to ever happen.

My guess is a Zibanejad trade would happen at the deadline as 2 playoff runs at 2.75m per for him is a sweet deal and would return some great assets (just remember what Coleman and Goodrow went for, these are bottom 6 guys).

Then any potential Eichel trade in the off season after the expansion draft.

Eichel has a NMC that kicks in after next season so my guess is Buffalo moves him this offseason or next

 

[Anthony5967]

Why is Geertsen here? Seriously? He’s not playing. Is it to collect an NHL paycheck and reward him for AHL play? I don’t get it.

 

[Avery16]

Why is Geertsen here? Seriously? He’s not playing. Is it to collect an NHL paycheck and reward him for AHL play? I don’t get it.

Someone vying to crack the third pair only has to outperform Bitetto (injured), Hajek, Smith and Johnson. The bar has never been lower.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Why is Geertsen here? Seriously? He’s not playing. Is it to collect an NHL paycheck and reward him for AHL play? I don’t get it.

Taxi squad flexibility

 

[NYR Viper]

Why is Geertsen here? Seriously? He’s not playing. Is it to collect an NHL paycheck and reward him for AHL play? I don’t get it.

Yes, more than likely he is a good soldier down in Hartford, a place that has had it's fair share of vets performing poorly, and the organization likes what he brings down there.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd bring in Guhle, seems like a decent depth option. Better than JJ

 

[Avery16]

I'd bring in Guhle, seems like a decent depth option. Better than JJ

Kaiden's older brother.

 

[Trxjw]

My guess is a Zibanejad trade would happen at the deadline as 2 playoff runs at 2.75m per for him is a sweet deal and would return some great assets (just remember what Coleman and Goodrow went for, these are bottom 6 guys).

Then any potential Eichel trade in the off season after the expansion draft.

Eichel has a NMC that kicks in after next season so my guess is Buffalo moves him this offseason or next

It's very, very hard to move Zibanejad before securing Eichel. If indeed that is the desired path. For that to happen I think we'd have to see at least 2, if not 3 of the following:
1. Strome continues a very high level of play heading up to the deadline and the Rangers feel like they can use him as a realistic buffer option through next season.
2. Chytil picks up where he left off and shows he's a viable top-six center
3. The piece the Rangers get back in the Zibanejad trade can step in immediately as a 3C with room to grow.
4. The Rangers are comfortable with Chytil and the center they got for Zib as their top two centers for the near future.
5. They feel like there are trade options that are attainable beyond Eichel in the event that they can't get him. (Monahan, Lindholm, etc)

That's a pretty tall order. Plus keep in mind that the reason that Stone got a piece like Brannstrom in the trade was because he signed an extension immediately with Vegas. Zib can't do that until next season and that may limit his overall value to a team.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

My guess is a Zibanejad trade would happen at the deadline as 2 playoff runs at 2.75m per for him is a sweet deal and would return some great assets (just remember what Coleman and Goodrow went for, these are bottom 6 guys).

Then any potential Eichel trade in the off season after the expansion draft.

Eichel has a NMC that kicks in after next season so my guess is Buffalo moves him this offseason or next

I see the logic in dealing Zib at the deadline, given his cap it at 50% and the value he brings. Every Cup contender would want him. But I'm not sure the organization wants to add more "futures" to the mix and would probably prefer to make a push at the playoffs over selling off yet again (assuming they're within a few points of the playoff line come April).

You would probably sacrifice some value on the return if you trade him this summer instead of at the deadline. But if their goal is to actually just recoup one asset traded to Buffalo for Eichel (presumably Chytil), then they can probably still achieve that this summer.

 

[Vitto79]

Why is Geertsen here? Seriously? He’s not playing. Is it to collect an NHL paycheck and reward him for AHL play? I don’t get it.

I could see them dealing Smith and JJ in a month so it’s a body if injuries occur but yea he’s not good lol

 

[Fitzy]

I could see them dealing Smith and JJ in a month so it’s a body if injuries occur but yea he’s not good lol

We'd have to be really far out of the playoff picture to sell guys at the deadline, especially in the shortened season with a full 15 games left to play.

I don't think management, who want to make the playoffs this year, would sell JJ and Smith for minimal returns rather than keep them for the home stretch unless things look really dire.

 

[bleedblue94]

Another potential outcome is having that player replace a center that potentially goes to Buffalo for Eichel.

aka byebye Chytil

 

[Vitto79]

aka byebye Chytil

If Buffalo will take Chytil , Buchnevich , DeAngelo, Robertson , 1st you pretty much have to do it

 

[Avery16]

I could see them dealing Smith and JJ in a month so it’s a body if injuries occur but yea he’s not good lol

I don't buy that there will be interest in Smith or JJ. There are better options out there for teams. We are married to these bad contracts until they expire. The only thing we can do about it is stop signing bad contracts.

I am not holding my breath.

 

[Calad]

It's very, very hard to move Zibanejad before securing Eichel. If indeed that is the desired path. For that to happen I think we'd have to see at least 2, if not 3 of the following:
1. Strome continues a very high level of play heading up to the deadline and the Rangers feel like they can use him as a realistic buffer option through next season.
2. Chytil picks up where he left off and shows he's a viable top-six center
3. The piece the Rangers get back in the Zibanejad trade can step in immediately as a 3C with room to grow.
4. The Rangers are comfortable with Chytil and the center they got for Zib as their top two centers for the near future.
5. They feel like there are trade options that are attainable beyond Eichel in the event that they can't get him. (Monahan, Lindholm, etc)

That's a pretty tall order. Plus keep in mind that the reason that Stone got a piece like Brannstrom in the trade was because he signed an extension immediately with Vegas. Zib can't do that until next season and that may limit his overall value to a team.

I think thats a bit narrow way of approaching things. I think they first have to decide whether or not they want to keep Zibanejad around after his contract ends. I don't think its reasonable to expect they will be able to retain both Zibanejad and Eichel considering the money they have locked up elsewhere. If they determine they don't want Mika long term then they move him this deadline and have a lot of flexibility with how they fill out their center position.

I see the logic in dealing Zib at the deadline, given his cap it at 50% and the value he brings. Every Cup contender would want him. But I'm not sure the organization wants to add more "futures" to the mix and would probably prefer to make a push at the playoffs over selling off yet again (assuming they're within a few points of the playoff line come April).

You would probably sacrifice some value on the return if you trade him this summer instead of at the deadline. But if their goal is to actually just recoup one asset traded to Buffalo for Eichel (presumably Chytil), then they can probably still achieve that this summer.

Plan A is to obtain Eichel, but if they move Zibanejad at this deadline and get a piece like Newhook or Krebs back but Buffalo decides to keep Eichel or move him elsewhere (Like LA for example) then they still have a great young C to groom and can go after someone like Nuge or Danault this offseason to take the tougher matchups, or even the possibility of a player like Barkov the following offseason (Hertl, Trocheck, Kadri, Couturier are all due to be UFAs the same off season as well, with Point and PLD as pending RFAs). Of course not all of these players will make it to UFA. Worst comes to worst, there will be bargain bin type players that can plug a hole for a season because of the flat cap/covid world we live in. They could even see about poaching a player at a discount because of the expansion draft coming up and lots of teams hurting for money.

 

[bleedblue94]

If Buffalo will take Chytil , Buchnevich , DeAngelo, Robertson , 1st you pretty much have to do it

They wouldn't, I think you are missing another big piece in there. ADA would be a toss in of sorts given his situation.

 

[ArPanet]

I smell versatility!

if he’s here to straighten out Nick Ritchie then holy shit I’m high on Geertsen.

 

[aufheben]

If Buffalo will take Chytil , Buchnevich , DeAngelo, Robertson , 1st you pretty much have to do it

I still think the package is Chytil + Buchnevich + Kravtsov + Lundkvist +/- 1st round pick +/- Georgiev.

If Buffalo is looking for a C and/or a D, I don’t see any substitutions for Chytil and Lundkvist. If they wanted DeAngelo they could have had him for free, and if Fox is off-limits there’s no way they’re taking any other D prospect than Lundkvist. IMO.

 

[RGY]

I still think the package is Chytil + Buchnevich + Kravtsov + Lundkvist +/- 1st round pick +/- Georgiev.

If Buffalo is looking for a C and/or a D, I don’t see any substitutions for Chytil and Lundkvist.

If Chytil AND Buch are in it, then I am not putting both Lundkvist AND Kravtsov in it. Thats too much. Way too much.

 

[Avery16]

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I still think the package is Chytil + Buchnevich + Kravtsov + Lundkvist +/- 1st round pick +/- Georgiev.

If Buffalo is looking for a C and/or a D, I don’t see any substitutions for Chytil and Lundkvist. If they wanted DeAngelo they could have had him for free, and if Fox is off-limits there’s no way they’re taking any other D prospect than Lundkvist. IMO.

Yeah, I don't see that happening. Sabres fans will be disappointed with the return.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Yeah, I don't see that happening. Sabres fans will be disappointed with the return.

Who cares?

They’re going to be disappointed regardless of the return due to the broader implications of Eichel being moved

 

[RangersFan1994]

we're never going to pick anyone up off of waivers

when we do they just usually suck. Colton Orr was the best waiver pickup for this team in the last 15 years

 

[NYR Viper]

The Mark Stone sign and trade was basically Branstrom and some spare parts. What Lundqvist is doing in the SHL at his age is pretty prolific. If they want a prospect like that, then the remainder of that package is going to be pretty dismal. I don't think they aren't getting Lundqvist + Buch + Kravtsov + 1st.

 

[RGY]

Go get this man