Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIII: Smell a smaller trade incoming?

[Daves a mess]

Listening to some of the Sabre post game interviews, including media, coach and players, and man they are quite stoked about Dylan Cozens thumping of Lindgren. Kyle Okposo said "it was the most excited the Buffalo bench has been ALL season". Ralph Kreuger went on about his "one sided" win, his character, leadership and his future as a Sabre. Ralph was VERY impressed with that fight.

Buffalo coach seemed very satisfied with his teams ability to control the game for large periods of time and basically blames the loss on the first 5 mins. Said this game should be a confidence builder for his team. ( paraphrasing here).

Personally I enjoy reading/watching OTHER teams post game perspectives on their team and opponent. Ralph didn't appear to think much of our game. I say this because many NHL coaches give small compliments to other teams when they lose.

We got none lol.

 

[kovazub94]

I want Eichel. But I do not want the following players to be touched, Fox, Kakko, Panarin, Lindgren, Smith, and obv Igor. What I am willing to give up, Zeb, Strome, draft picks.

Smith, Lindgren? Lol

Afraid to ask how you feel about Lafreniere

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Cozens whiffed with like 90% of his punches lol.

He thumped air.

 

[Tob]

Cozens whiffed with like 90% of his punches lol.

He thumped air.

Where is McIlrath when you need him? We flubbed that pick 10 years too early.

 

[Fitzy]

I want Eichel. But I do not want the following players to be touched, Fox, Kakko, Panarin, Lindgren, Smith, and obv Igor. What I am willing to give up, Zeb, Strome, draft picks.

Did.....

Did you mistakenly put Smith instead of Lafreniere?

 

[Embryo]

Did.....

Did you mistakenly put Smith instead of Lafreniere?

I meant Miller

 

[kovazub94]

Did.....

Did you mistakenly put Smith instead of Lafreniere?

Smith instead of Miller. He mistakenly put Lindgren instead of Lafreniere

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Did.....

Did you mistakenly put Smith instead of Lafreniere?

Easy mistake to make.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Listening to some of the Sabre post game interviews, including media, coach and players, and man they are quite stoked about Dylan Cozens thumping of Lindgren. Kyle Okposo said "it was the most excited the Buffalo bench has been ALL season". Ralph Kreuger went on about his "one sided" win, his character, leadership and his future as a Sabre. Ralph was VERY impressed with that fight.

Buffalo coach seemed very satisfied with his teams ability to control the game for large periods of time and basically blames the loss on the first 5 mins. Said this game should be a confidence builder for his team. ( paraphrasing here).

Personally I enjoy reading/watching OTHER teams post game perspectives on their team and opponent. Ralph didn't appear to think much of our game. I say this because many NHL coaches give small compliments to other teams when they lose.

We got none lol.

we deserved none. Horribly played game. Firewagon start + iffy goaltending by Hutton lost that game for Buffalo, we were trash.

 

[Cmox]

lmao that's the second time I've called Miller "Smith" I am sorry lol idk why I get confused

The name Smith and Miller are on the same average Joe page, haha

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Dont forget Jonathan Marchessault

Never had him under contract though. They tried to sign him and he refused

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

Where is McIlrath when you need him? We flubbed that pick 10 years too early.

screw him. how about colton orr? or even matt barnaby?

 

[NYblades]

Good times....

And that was one of his low-key and mild pep talks.

 

[haohmaru]

Sometimes you have no choice. You can either allow the thread to destroy the sanctity of the whole, or you can remove the discord for the good of all. Gorton and JD did the latter. DeAngelo was never going to get any more chances with the team. He used them all up. Unfortunately.

Obviously, neither you nor I know the extent to which ADA was or wasn't disrupting the room. We'll never know. Personally, what Gorton did was basically take his value as a player, and his career, and flushed it down the toilet. I'm having a tough time believing that this was the best option for the team or the player. I'm not an ADA supporter, FWIW. I could care less if he's a Ranger or not given our stable of RD on the team or coming soon. He could've been scratched for a few games, suspended for a few games by the team, etc.... Saying he'll never play for the organization again sends red flags throughout the league, takes his value to almost zero immediately, causes the guy's career to come to a crashing halt, etc... I feel like the end result is far more extreme than the transgression(s) and it hurts everyone involved - and really, really hurts the player.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Val Filppula blows, but he would be an awesome mentor for Kakko. Actually, have they played together? I remember Kakko played with a Fillppula at TPS.


But yeah, he sucks

 

[pld459666]

I don't long for the days that TDA could have beaten a fan with his own shoe and stay on the team. But that's just me.

I do.

Some fans need a shoe to the head, foot in shoe or not, makes no nevermind to me.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Val Filppula blows, but he would be an awesome mentor for Kakko. Actually, have they played together? I remember Kakko played with a Fillppula at TPS.


But yeah, he sucks

Ilari, Valteri's older brother

 

[True Blue]

Obviously, neither you nor I know the extent to which ADA was or wasn't disrupting the room. We'll never know. Personally, what Gorton did was basically take his value as a player, and his career, and flushed it down the toilet. I'm having a tough time believing that this was the best option for the team or the player. I'm not an ADA supporter, FWIW. I could care less if he's a Ranger or not given our stable of RD on the team or coming soon. He could've been scratched for a few games, suspended for a few games by the team, etc.... Saying he'll never play for the organization again sends red flags throughout the league, takes his value to almost zero immediately, causes the guy's career to come to a crashing halt, etc... I feel like the end result is far more extreme than the transgression(s) and it hurts everyone involved - and really, really hurts the player.

No. We do not know. But there is enough smoke to have a fire. Between what is reported and what our own insiders have whispered, there is enough to believe that not only was he becoming a distraction, but a material one at that. This was not about a one time fisticuff event. This was about repeated actions and the reactions to said actions.

I became a DeAngelo convert. But he did this to himself and the team did the best they could to move on and choose the good of the many as opposed to the one.

 

[True Blue]

Where is McIlrath when you need him? We flubbed that pick 10 years too early.

On the same rocket ship to the moon as Jessiman and the Ferraro brothers.

 

[Kendo]

We don't need ADA anyway. Max Kondratiev should be coming over next year to pair with Tyutin.

 

[SRHRangers]

Marc Savard says hi.

 

[TominNC]

I do not think there is a deal to be had without Chytil.

Probably. But I don't understand the people who won't trade Chytil for Eichel. In either case you need to decide what to do with Mika.
Are they really better off with Chytil and Mika well into his thirties, than they are with Eichel and whatever they can get for Mika?

 

[Fitzy]

Probably. But I don't understand the people who won't trade Chytil for Eichel. In either case you need to decide what to do with Mika.
Are they really better off with Chytil and Mika well into his thirties, than they are with Eichel and whatever they can get for Mika?

Depends on

1) How Zibanejad ages
2) What Zibanejad earns
3) Whether Eichel steps up his effort for us.

Say we move Zibby and Strome goes too. Then NYR have zero all-situations centers. Neither Eichel nor Chytil kill penalties.

Assume Mika finishes this down season with around 30 points in 56 games, and scores 70 in 80 next year. You're talking about probably a 5-6 year, 7-8 million dollar contract for a almost PPG center who can do everything, as opposed to trading a boatload of cost controlled assets for a one-dimensional PPG center who makes 10 million a year.

So a lot of it comes down to how we think Zibanejad will age, and whether Eichel really is the kind of player you want to trade the farm for so he can be our captain and lead us to a cup.

 

[True Blue]

Probably. But I don't understand the people who won't trade Chytil for Eichel. In either case you need to decide what to do with Mika.
Are they really better off with Chytil and Mika well into his thirties, than they are with Eichel and whatever they can get for Mika?

Like I said the issue is not including Chytil or a Buch or a Lundkvist in a deal for Eichel. In a vacuum, you make the move and do not look back. The possible issue is that the aftermath looks like right after you push the button to make that deal. And what it means moving forward. There are various cost to consider. The cost in assets to acquire him. The cost in dollars of having him count $10m against the cap for the next 5 years. The cost in dollars or assets in replacing parts in the lineup that now having gaping holes. The cost in now building around an Eichel a team that can make a playoff push.

Make no mistake. In making such a deal, there is no more rebuild or even build. There is win now.

 

[Fitzy]

Like I said the issue is not including Chytil or a Buch or a Lundkvist in a deal for Eichel. In a vacuum, you make the move and do not look back. The possible issue is that the aftermath looks like right after you push the button to make that deal. And what it means moving forward. There are various cost to consider. The cost in assets to acquire him. The cost in dollars of having him count $10m against the cap for the next 5 years. The cost in dollars or assets in replacing parts in the lineup that now having gaping holes. The cost in now building around an Eichel a team that can make a playoff push.

Make no mistake. In making such a deal, there is no more rebuild or even build. There is win now.

Problem is that the team doesn't look one piece away from being ready, at all.

You've got a pretty decent chance of an Eichel trade looking horrifyingly like the Yashin trade in 5 years.