Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIII: Smell a smaller trade incoming?

[Kendo]

Tony DeAngelo really f***ed this whole situation up

FTFY

 

[True Blue]

Players give each other shit all the time. That FO sent ADA home because Georgiev assaulted him? The damage to his trade value is all theirs.

If you believe that they sent him home simply because of a dust up between he and Georgiev, it is time to put down the crack pipe and land the aircraft back on planet Earth.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

The only person to blame for Tony DeAngelo's current situation is Tony DeAngelo. It's not Rangers management's fault that he refuses to conduct himself in a professional manner.

Its undeniably Tony's fault for being immature and unprofessional. However it is not Tony's fault for mismanaging the situation and causing the GM to react so thoughtlessly that they tanked his trade value entirely.

 

[haohmaru]

The real mistake with the ADA situation was issuing the ultimatum in the first place.

 

[True Blue]

Its undeniably Tony's fault for being immature and unprofessional. However it is not Tony's fault for mismanaging the situation and causing the GM to react so thoughtlessly that they tanked his trade value entirely.

I would say that the fact that DeAngelo was talked to by management, the coaching staff, his own teammates, had a red line drawn directly in front of him by GM signifies that he did in fact mismanage his own situation.

Gorton did not reach thoughtlessly. Gorton and JD did what they believed, and was communicated to all sides, in the best interest of the locker room.

 

[True Blue]

The real mistake with the ADA situation was issuing the ultimatum in the first place.

Sometimes you have no choice. You can either allow the thread to destroy the sanctity of the whole, or you can remove the discord for the good of all. Gorton and JD did the latter. DeAngelo was never going to get any more chances with the team. He used them all up. Unfortunately.

 

[Kendo]

but we know you don’t believe anything unless Jeff Gorton is looking directly into the camera talking to you and saying it’s so

And even then, he still might not.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

I would say that the fact that DeAngelo was talked to by management, the coaching staff, his own teammates, had a red line drawn directly in front of him by GM signifies that he did in fact mismanage his own situation.

Gorton did not reach thoughtlessly. Gorton and JD did what they believed, and was communicated to all sides, in the best interest of the locker room.

No denying Tony mismanaged his own situation. But in the bigger picture management poorly managed him as an asset after the fact. If they had reacted differently and not publicized their feelings/conversations/ultimatums, we would have had a significantly easier time being able to move on from him. In their attempt to punish Tony, they ultimately f***ed both parties over.

We are just lucky that he is a younger RFA who will cost next to nothing to buyout.

 

[SRHRangers]

TDA dug his own grave and I have zero sympathy towards him.

Separately though, the Rangers front office fumbled on this and blew up any trade value by their actions and not just suspending him.

I still also have a massive issue that the incident was Georgie punching him and the Rangers have held zero accountability on Georgie.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

No denying Tony mismanaged his own situation. But in the bigger picture management poorly managed him as an asset after the fact. If they had reacted differently and not publicized their feelings/conversations/ultimatums, we would have had a significantly easier time being able to move on from him. In their attempt to punish Tony, they ultimately f***ed both parties over.

We are just lucky that he is a younger RFA who will cost next to nothing to buyout.

Any time you start something with a statement and then follow it up with "but" it kinda waters down the first part.

ADA did the same thing in the Brooks article.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He isn't McDavid and again, his pool of suitors is going to be very small by virtue of his contract alone.

He won't go for something insane like Strome, Jones and a 2nd but the Rangers are going to be able to ward off their top guys and still be in the thick of things. I forget who mentioned it, but someone said that at the end of the day it may come down to how the Sabres feel about a player like Turcotte vs someone like Nils.

If teams want him they will move some players around to make it happen, i don't see his cap hit being a hindrance at 24 years old.

 

[pld459666]

TDA dug his own grave and I have zero sympathy towards him.

Separately though, the Rangers front office fumbled on this and blew up any trade value by their actions and not just suspending him.

I still also have a massive issue that the incident was Georgie punching him and the Rangers have held zero accountability on Georgie.

I harped on that a bit, but I think they did sit him for a week. labled it "letting him collect himself" after the incident.

It's over, it is what it is.

TDA is an asshole, and this had to be one of many similar incidents he's had in the room or on the practice ice.

Years ago, when men actually played the game, he would have been handled by his teammates. But now that a more softer gentler type player is here.....whatever

 

[True Blue]

No denying Tony mismanaged his own situation. But in the bigger picture management poorly managed him as an asset after the fact. If they had reacted differently and not publicized their feelings/conversations/ultimatums, we would have had a significantly easier time being able to move on from him. In their attempt to punish Tony, they ultimately f***ed both parties over.

We are just lucky that he is a younger RFA who will cost next to nothing to buyout.

You cannot really hide a player suddenly being sent home without questions coming. Management acted and was honest about it.

 

[NYblades]

Uh oh....back on the ADA thing today.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

TDA dug his own grave and I have zero sympathy towards him.

Separately though, the Rangers front office fumbled on this and blew up any trade value by their actions and not just suspending him.

I still also have a massive issue that the incident was Georgie punching him and the Rangers have held zero accountability on Georgie.

They secretly had a meeting with him, told him that he needed to not have any issues or they'd put him on waivers, a week later and he's fighting our goalie. I don't see how anyone can put this on anyone other than Tony. Also, none of us know how many other things might have happened to get to this point, and further to your comment, they tried moving him last summer, his value wasn't very high to begin with otherwise they would have moved him.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Any time you start something with a statement and then follow it up with "but" it kinda waters down the first part.

ADA did the same thing in the Brooks article.

Thats fine we can water down the first part because everyone is well aware of the shitty things Tony has done. The point I'm trying to get across has nothing to do with invalidating Tony's responsibility, because he is responsible for this mess and caused it to occur with his own actions.

Management did a shit job with this situation, thats all I'm saying here. We are going to pay to lose our top performing d-man from last season because of the way our GM mishandled things.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

this situation hurts the rangers far more than it hurts TDA. that’s why I’m so annoyed about it. the rangers handled the situation absolutely atrociously across multiple steps. it’s like a multiple choice test where there’s always that one comically bad answer among the 4 and over the course of 5 questions the rangers picked that comically bad answer each time.

He was terrible since before the bubble so i dont know how we're worse off, as soon as Zib and Panarin cooled his points vanished and all we were left with was a dman who can't play defense.

 

[Off Sides]

Rangers were not suspending DeAngelo.

They would have done so without pay, he would have been able to open grievance.

Rangers were not going to take any chance that he may have won that grievance.

They basically suspended him with pay, yet technically they waived him and just put him on the Taxi squad. Other than him saying it's unfair because the other taxi squad player get to practice, he can't really say or do anything other than have his agent work the phones.

As far as trading him before this season, it's not like other GMs are totally dumb, they all knew they would potentially be putting themselves in the situation the Rangers found themselves in, yet they would given up assets to put themselves there.

The only mistake I see on the Rangers part, signing him to a two year deal when a 1 year was an option. Yet even there that 1 year may have been forced through arbitration and as we have seen teams just don't like to let that process play out very often, I'd assume because it takes some control out of their hands.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Thats fine we can water down the first part because everyone is well aware of the shitty things Tony has done. The point I'm trying to get across has nothing to do with invalidating Tony's responsibility, because he is responsible for this mess and caused it to occur with his own actions.

Management did a shit job with this situation, thats all I'm saying here. We are going to pay to lose our top performing d-man from last season because of the way our GM mishandled things.

What would you prefer the organization do? And since you know what they did, how many instances have they had conversations with Tony trying to steer him right? I mean at some point enough is enough and you draw a line in the sand and Tony pissed on it.

 

[SRHRangers]

They secretly had a meeting with him, told him that he needed to not have any issues or they'd put him on waivers, a week later and he's fighting our goalie. I don't see how anyone can put this on anyone other than Tony. Also, none of us know how many other things might have happened to get to this point, and further to your comment, they tried moving him last summer, his value wasn't very high to begin with otherwise they would have moved him.

I said TDA dug his own grave.

If the Rangers handled this slightly differently, I put money that a Sam Bennett deal would've been done.

My main gripe is zero accountability on what Georgiev did in the altercation while the other side gets crucified.

 

[Edge]

Teams were well aware of the Tony situation --- with or without the proclamation --- he's done here.

In talking with people around the league it changed nothing.

And that became immediately apparent when teams did their due diligence.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

He was terrible since before the bubble so i dont know how we're worse off, as soon as Zib and Panarin cooled his points vanished and all we were left with was a dman who can't play defense.

the entire team was a mess. quinn’s scratching him early on was a moronic decision and really hurt him. I do think he’d be doing a lot better by now if he were playing, as we’ve seen our roster be better to various degrees.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I said TDA dug his own grave.

If the Rangers handled this slightly differently, I put money that a Sam Bennett deal would've been done.

My main gripe is zero accountability on what Georgiev did in the altercation while the other side gets crucified.

Because thats georgievs first incident likely. I don't get why people want our own goalie punished lol. On a side note he never started a few games in a row after that so maybe that was his message.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Teams were well aware of the Tony situation --- with or without the proclamation he's done.

In talking with people around the league it changed nothing.

And that became immediately apparent when teams did their due diligence.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Very tired hearing about the TDA thing and I am a proponent of him. What’s done is done, time to move on. Might as well be living in the fantasy worlds with the what if scenarios. This is the reality that played out, and this is what we must act with and move forward with. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.