I agree with all of this except that if you play him 18-19 minutes a night like he is getting this year instead of the 15-16 previously, he is a 50-60 pt player all day.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIII: Smell a smaller trade incoming?
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I agree with all of this except that if you play him 18-19 minutes a night like he is getting this year instead of the 15-16 previously, he is a 50-60 pt player all day.
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Laf Kakko Fox and Igor should all be untouchable. Moving any of them is a massive mistake
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He's really adding to his value to the team. With the amount of offensive wingers the organization has, adding in being able to PK can be a reason to keep him in the short term. Of course you can find some players that can PK for you, but having a player that is adding his level of offense, while being strong on the PK, is very valuable. Before the season, I would have said we were looking at a near 0 chance he is on the team for the long term, but now, it looks like he can carve out a role (2nd line wing + 2nd PP + PK) where he is around for another 2-3 years.
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Gorton isn't going to deal Shesterkin, Fox, Miller, Kakko, or Lafreniere. These guys are our new core moving forward. Kakko was showing excellent signs of taking the next step before he got COVID listed. The ability with him and Lafreniere is there. I think they both came in to the NHL thinking that they would dominate, and they had a nasty dose of reality when they actually got here.
Kakko went from literally the worst forward in the NHL to a possession driver that probably had a negative Fenwick%. The points are going to come for him as long as he keeps moving his feet and gets himself into the prime areas. He's big and strong enough that he'd thrive down low and picking up the garbage around the net. He's going to be a huge problem for other team's defenses when he realizes this.
Lafreniere's hockey IQ is through the roof. He's on a three game point streak. He's getting there. Very smart player that's almost certainly the future captain.
You don't trade players like this for a player, however talented, that already at 24 years old has a reputation as a coach killer and a malcontent.
Kakko went from literally the worst forward in the NHL to a possession driver that probably had a negative Fenwick%. The points are going to come for him as long as he keeps moving his feet and gets himself into the prime areas. He's big and strong enough that he'd thrive down low and picking up the garbage around the net. He's going to be a huge problem for other team's defenses when he realizes this.
Lafreniere's hockey IQ is through the roof. He's on a three game point streak. He's getting there. Very smart player that's almost certainly the future captain.
You don't trade players like this for a player, however talented, that already at 24 years old has a reputation as a coach killer and a malcontent.
This sounds like someone who is trying to make a bad situation work:
https://www.spectorshockey.net/2021/03/nhl-rumor-mill-march-3-2021/
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bleedblue94
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This is also a good way for an org that is maybe considering a trade to take him with no commitment and see if he can be a fit in the new org first. This would be good for everyone...
There are many ways to build a serious Cup contender. One is by having a truly elite center anchoring your top line. But, it is not the only way. Another, is to have serious talent up and down your lineup. You have guys on your second line that, for other teams would be on the first line. You are guys on your third line that are legit second line players. You have four legit first pair D and third pair D who could play on other teams second pair. You continually create mismatches for other teams with your talent. This would seem to be the path that the Rangers are on.
Some of the suggested trade proposals are downright ridiculous. They would denude the organization of the depth talent we need to contend. As good as Eichel is, I do not want to overpay for him, do not want to ship a boatload of assets to Buffalo for him. If a deal cannot be reached that is fair, not only from Buffalo's standpoint but our own, I would resist the temptation of a trade. Trading four legit NHL players, or more, for him, is not the path to success.
Some of the suggested trade proposals are downright ridiculous. They would denude the organization of the depth talent we need to contend. As good as Eichel is, I do not want to overpay for him, do not want to ship a boatload of assets to Buffalo for him. If a deal cannot be reached that is fair, not only from Buffalo's standpoint but our own, I would resist the temptation of a trade. Trading four legit NHL players, or more, for him, is not the path to success.
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Rangers management really f***ed this whole situation up
Nmc are part of things. Players want them because they want control of where they live and play.
Players will typically be willing to give on salary for a nmc. I haven’t had a problem with any of the ntc/nmc we’ve given out recently.
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I think we fit the Tampa, Chicago or Boston mold. Our best players will be wingers and defenseman. We need centers like Toews, Bergeron, Krejci, Point or Cirielli
Eichel may share similar offensive talent with some of those players but he’s no where near the complete center that is needed to win.
Eichel is flat out, just not worth the assets it would cost IMO. Factoring players, prospects, picks and cap space
Eichel may share similar offensive talent with some of those players but he’s no where near the complete center that is needed to win.
Eichel is flat out, just not worth the assets it would cost IMO. Factoring players, prospects, picks and cap space
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He's not, because if he played that minute load he would have probably scored less points given his issues with strength and conditioning that have only gotten better the last year or so.
P/60 got some people here to stan for Ryan Spooner (lol) which got us Ryan Strome and nobody wants that.
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The only person to blame for Tony DeAngelo's current situation is Tony DeAngelo. It's not Rangers management's fault that he refuses to conduct himself in a professional manner.
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I for one don't want to gut the farm/team to get Eichel.
Chytil is only 21 and still growing. He will be a beast.
Schneider, Robertson and Lundkvist all coming up within three years. Lundkvist most likely next year. We will have one hell of a defense.
Once Kakko, Panarin and Trouba are back we will have a much better flow to the game.
Let this season play itself out. See where the off season takes us and where we're drafting. If we're drafting top 5, maybe then include that pick in a smaller package for Eichel.
Chytil is only 21 and still growing. He will be a beast.
Schneider, Robertson and Lundkvist all coming up within three years. Lundkvist most likely next year. We will have one hell of a defense.
Once Kakko, Panarin and Trouba are back we will have a much better flow to the game.
Let this season play itself out. See where the off season takes us and where we're drafting. If we're drafting top 5, maybe then include that pick in a smaller package for Eichel.
I’m not saying he should have had those minutes in the past, just that he should have them going forward. In which case he’s absolutely not a 40 pt player.
He isn't McDavid and again, his pool of suitors is going to be very small by virtue of his contract alone.
He won't go for something insane like Strome, Jones and a 2nd but the Rangers are going to be able to ward off their top guys and still be in the thick of things. I forget who mentioned it, but someone said that at the end of the day it may come down to how the Sabres feel about a player like Turcotte vs someone like Nils.
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I don't know if Eichel is the move that does it, but at some point we're going to have to switch from rebuild/prospect hoarding mindset to making moves to win.
I'm not saying trade the world for Eichel. But Kravtsov's KHL comps vs Buch's comps at that age + missed chances and shit teammates isn't stopping me from using him to get a big time player. Be it eichel or someone else.
I'm not saying trade the world for Eichel. But Kravtsov's KHL comps vs Buch's comps at that age + missed chances and shit teammates isn't stopping me from using him to get a big time player. Be it eichel or someone else.
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It's reasonable but the Rangers side in arguing why they should pay him less will surely have a history component to it.
It's moot because structurally they can't afford to pay him and have any sort of different C mix, which is going to be the driver in cap allocation.
I don't see him staying, which kinda sucks, because he'll be fun to root for at 28
Players give each other shit all the time. That FO sent ADA home because Georgiev assaulted him? The damage to his trade value is all theirs.
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Have you watched very much of Eichel? Your takes on him are... interesting
The guy is literally right up there with McDavid, Matthews, Draisaitl, MacKinnon. I can't believe some of the posts I'm reading about him from our fanbase lol
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