Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXIII: Smell a smaller trade incoming?

[Alluckks]

The sticker price of Eichel is $1
The Rangers can offer 4 quarters, essentially offer full sticker price on the dollar, but in several more pieces
Buffalo wants the deal to include a half dollar coming back in the deal, but the Rangers turn that down (Kakko, Laf, Shesty)
Buffalo asks the Kings to include that in their package, the Kings says sure, but then we aren't adding much to it and the package will be 60 cents on the dollar in total
Then Buffalo asks the same of Anaheim or Minnesota for their top Center prospect to be included, and they are met with the same response that the Kings gave

That is likely how it would go

The Rangers aren't trading their tippy top studs, and even if another team like LA, ANA, or MIN say okay to including theirs I very much doubt there would be much at all included in the rest of the package (I'm skeptical that they would anyway)

 

[DutchShamrock]

Fans of this franchise should know better. It doesn't mean you will have a good team just because you have a great player. We added the top UFAs every year for 7 years and got worse. You still have to have the pieces and culture around them. Coaches matter.

It cuts both ways, and the Rangers should be aware that Eichel may not be the answer. This could be Jagr, or the other laundry list of stars that stunk here. I just don't think it's fair or accurate to blame the perennial mess of Sabres hockey on one player.

 

[NYSPORTS]

The anticipated cost is too steep.

 

[rangers1314]

I know I'll probably get yelled at for saying this, but you know who's looking like they're a player? Oliver Wahlstrom.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Sometimes I wonder if it’s better to add quality vets and upgrade the overall talent instead of selling the farm for Eichel. The FO is hamstrung with dead cap so they couldn’t really upgrade the team in any meaningful way.

Then again, 24 year old #1 Centers don’t grow on trees. He didn’t play particularly well last night, but that team seems to have collectively packed it in.

 

[UnSandvich]

Damn, Vally just eviscerated them

 

[Reway10]

I strongly believe Eichel will be a Ranger by July 23rd, 2021.

 

[kovazub94]

Buchnevich with 0.75 PPG on the season while playing with mostly ineffective Zibanejad, while becoming arguably the team’s best PK forward.

 

[bleedblue94]

Buchnevich with 0.75 PPG on the season while playing with mostly ineffective Zibanejad, while becoming arguably the team’s best PK forward.

He is becoming like this generation of NYR's Zucc. He is a player I love here that I cant picture on another team but that I know long term probably won't be here. I hope he's willing to go team friendly for a few years here so we can keep him if there is room.

 

[LokiDog]

The sticker price of Eichel is $1
The Rangers can offer 4 quarters, essentially offer full sticker price on the dollar, but in several more pieces
Buffalo wants the deal to include a half dollar coming back in the deal, but the Rangers turn that down (Kakko, Laf, Shesty)
Buffalo asks the Kings to include that in their package, the Kings says sure, but then we aren't adding much to it and the package will be 60 cents on the dollar in total
Then Buffalo asks the same of Anaheim or Minnesota for their top Center prospect to be included, and they are met with the same response that the Kings gave

That is likely how it would go

The Rangers aren't trading their tippy top studs, and even if another team like LA, ANA, or MIN say okay to including theirs I very much doubt there would be much at all included in the rest of the package (I'm skeptical that they would anyway)

Made me think of this scene from Django Unchained:

Calvin Candie: Hm. So, Bright Boy, Moguy tells me you looked over my NHL roster and you was none too impressed, huh?
Django: Not for top dollar.
[Candie walks over to Django]
Calvin Candie: Well, then, we got nothing more to talk about. You see, you want to buy a hockey player from me, those are the hockey players I want to sell, so.
Django: He don’t want to buy the players you want to sell. He wants the player you don’t want to sell.
Calvin Candie: Well, I don’t sell the players I don’t want to sell.
Dr. King Schultz: Well, you won’t sell your best. You won’t even sell your second best. But your third best, you don’t want to sell him either? But if I made you an offer so ridiculous you’d be forced to consider it, who knows what could happen?
Calvin Candie: And what do you consider ridiculous?
Dr. King Schultz: For a truly talented specimen, the right hockey player? Well...

 

[archanfelnsx]

Very good chance Eichel ends up being a Ranger, just a matter of when. I think how the team does the rest of this season will dictate the when. If they are out of the playoff picture by the TDL then there is no rush to add him in season. If they are in the playoff hunt then maybe it’s worth looking into Buffalo’s interest especially if they continue the way they are playing. Buffalo might just say “We can’t win with Jack Eichel in our lineup, we might as well start our rebuild now and get what we can for him and add some depth to our team.”

I don’t think Zibanejad will waive his NMC to go to Buffalo so for cap purposes it’ll probably be something like:

Strome
Buchnevich
Georgiev
Robertson
1st Rounder
3rd Rounder

Don’t think this is the deal that gets it done but this should be the basis.

Rangers aren’t gonna trade Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox or Shesterkin. Miller and Chytil are probably close to untouchable but one might have to be included to seal the deal.

 

[duhmetreE]

blah blah blah heard the same story about kessel and every other player who never won anything until they finally won. He’s not holding the team back because he’s the best player in the team. Maybe the GM should get better players for the reamaining 17 skaters in the lineup.

How many times did you notice him yesterday but he ended up being stifled by his bad team?

Is Kessel winning in Pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin a good example? But at the moment, like Kessel was, he's a compliment piece. Not the centerpiece. Kessel was paid and treated as such. Eichel would theoretically weaken the team when you account for the assets used to acquire him and cap space.

If Buffalo will eat some of his cap and take Borderline A prospects/scraps with picks, I'd do it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Very good chance Eichel ends up being a Ranger, just a matter of when. I think how the team does the rest of this season will dictate the when. If they are out of the playoff picture by the TDL then there is no rush to add him in season. If they are in the playoff hunt then maybe it’s worth looking into Buffalo’s interest especially if they continue the way they are playing. Buffalo might just say “We can’t win with Jack Eichel in our lineup, we might as well start our rebuild now and get what we can for him and add some depth to our team.”

I don’t think Zibanejad will waive his NMC to go to Buffalo so for cap purposes it’ll probably be something like:

Strome
Buchnevich
Georgiev
Robertson
1st Rounder
3rd Rounder

Don’t think this is the deal that gets it done but this should be the basis.

Rangers aren’t gonna trade Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox or Shesterkin. Miller and Chytil are probably close to untouchable but one might have to be included to seal the deal.

The problem with what you're offering is it doesn't help Buffalo rebuild their team, the best thing you offered was a 1st in a weak draft. While i don't think we will make a trade with Kakko, Laf, fox or miller i do think buffalo will need a lot more if they are trading the face of their franchise so im not positive we will make a serious move for him. I honestly look at ottawa as a team that should and could make a deal for him.

 

[MetalJaws]

Peaked into sabres Board. First thing I read was Laf, Kakko and a 1st for Eichel.

The next post was "No Way"

 

[Daves a mess]

Fans of this franchise should know better. It doesn't mean you will have a good team just because you have a great player. We added the top UFAs every year for 7 years and got worse. You still have to have the pieces and culture around them. Coaches matter.

It cuts both ways, and the Rangers should be aware that Eichel may not be the answer. This could be Jagr, or the other laundry list of stars that stunk here. I just don't think it's fair or accurate to blame the perennial mess of Sabres hockey on one player.

Bingo on the 7 year big fish signings, excitement, then suckage right out of the gate. Many with different coaches.

But what really got me thinking is the "culture and coaches matter part". Because...

How the FFFFFF did the Islanders go from the worst defensive team in the ENTIRE league, to the best defensive team with basically the same roster?

Did the coaching difference between Doug Weight ( and his staff) and Barry Trotz ( and his staff) THAT significant? Other great coaches have switched teams and gotten curb stomped with failure. This move i don't get. It's like the franchise was turned around in ONE summer.

Was the GM change from Garth to Lou bring the largest cause for that "culture change"?

People here like to say the Isles suck. I hate that team. But I sure don't think they suck. I expect them to make a lot of noise (barring major injuries) in the spring.

I'm no #OMGzFireQuinn! guy but if ever a point is made that proves "culture and coaching matters", this Isles thing pops out at me. I have to admit Lamorillo made his best move by snatching up the previous years Stanley Cup winning coach.

Talk about a culture change.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The package for Eichel is going to be Kravtsov, Strome, Zach Jones, and the Rangers 2021 1st (going to be between 8 and 15th overall) and Buffalo is going to like it.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

The sticker price of Eichel is $1
The Rangers can offer 4 quarters, essentially offer full sticker price on the dollar, but in several more pieces
Buffalo wants the deal to include a half dollar coming back in the deal, but the Rangers turn that down (Kakko, Laf, Shesty)

Pretty much how 95% of trades for star players go. Well said...

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

The package for Eichel is going to be Kravtsov, Strome, Zach Jones, and the Rangers 2021 1st (going to be between 8 and 15th overall) and Buffalo is going to like it.

if that offer was made by the penguins - done deal.

the rangers - nope. not enough. bye

 

[mas0764]

The package for Eichel is going to be Kravtsov, Strome, Zach Jones, and the Rangers 2021 1st (going to be between 8 and 15th overall) and Buffalo is going to like it.

Or very similar.

I hate giving up Kravtsov but you have to give to get. I would similarly hate giving up Lundkvist.

I wonder if you could swap in Schneider for Kravtsov but presumably Buffalo will want a forward prospect and we are short on those if we are taking Lafreniere and Kakko off the table (which we will be doing).

 

[I Eat Crow]

Buchnevich with 0.75 PPG on the season while playing with mostly ineffective Zibanejad, while becoming arguably the team’s best PK forward.

I'd extend him. 5 years, $27.5 million with a limited NMC for the first three years, limited NTC for the last two.

He is what he is at this point. A streaky 40 to 50 point top 6 winger. He's made himself invaluable to this team with being able to kill penalties and overall being a much better all around player. If Buchnevich is dealt or not brought back, the Rangers are going to miss him. More so than they miss Fast right now.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Peaked into sabres Board. First thing I read was Laf, Kakko and a 1st for Eichel.

The next post was "No Way"

They’re out to lunch over there

I feel bad because they’ve clearly been in denial at every stage of this saga and the situation isn’t going to get better any time soon

 

[Lion Hound]

The package for Eichel is going to be Kravtsov, Strome, Zach Jones, and the Rangers 2021 1st (going to be between 8 and 15th overall) and Buffalo is going to like it.

That's a good package, but I don't think that gets you Eichel.

I would be very surprised if Eichel was traded to the NYR without one of LaFreniere or Kakko as one of the main pieces.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

how about strome, kakko, deangelo and one of the prospects for eichel?

 

[RGY]

The problem with what you're offering is it doesn't help Buffalo rebuild their team, the best thing you offered was a 1st in a weak draft. While i don't think we will make a trade with Kakko, Laf, fox or miller i do think buffalo will need a lot more if they are trading the face of their franchise so im not positive we will make a serious move for him. I honestly look at ottawa as a team that should and could make a deal for him.

Lundkvist will have to be in that deal if we do not want to include Kakko/Laf/Igor/Fox/Miller.

Chytil will likely have to be in that deal, but if we could somehow keep him out of it that would be massive.

Unprotected 2021 1st which isnt as enticing this year.

And more.

If LAK wants to offer Byfield, god bless them.

 

[RGY]

That's a good package, but I don't think that gets you Eichel.

I would be very surprised if Eichel was traded to the NYR without one of LaFreniere or Kakko as one of the main pieces.

Get ready to be surprised.