Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXII: Stepping up in a Perfect Storm?

[Boris Zubov]

ridiculous for him to do so and expect the rest of us to fill that void

i can try to pick up the slack and post more jokes but does he also expect me to be canadian? get real. thats a bridge too far.

Why did he bail?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

How do we combine 2019-2020 Offense and Shesty with 2021 Defensive structure? is it possible to even it out?

It should be possible but it's gonna take some doing. The inability to combine the two is my honestly one main critique w Quinn. I'm not convinced he is great at x's and o's specifically 5v5 within the offensive zone.

2019-20 offense was heavily reliant on counterattack and transition. They never dominated zone time 5v5. This year, when you coach your forwards to place a higher emphasis on defense, to stop cheating for fast breaks, and generally emphasize minimizing mistakes, the transition game suffers. That to me is why so far for the most part the results are completely binary between last year and this year.

This year two of their best outputs in terms of xGF were the 2/16 Devils game and the 2/24 Flyers game. Both were sloppy shitshows overall IMO.

 

[duhmetreE]

Why did he bail?

was there an issue or did life take over?

I miss @Thirty One s quips and dry humor.

 

[RickChartraw]

hope edge comes back and in an odd way i kind of miss sir avgard, the hockey professor.

 

[Kocur Dill]

The stakes for our conversations on here are rock bottom. They have no impact on real life.

So it's unclear to me why people get so worked up in these discussions. Take it a little less seriously.

I gotta say, and it not exclusive to our corner of HF. But when I read a thread that is one of the ongoing ones like Roster Building, and two or three specific posters dominate the thread with bickering one-up, pre-teen bullshit. Then I come back to the thread hours later and its 4 straight pages of them dominating the thread. That gets tiring.

 

[McRanger]

Frankly this seems lime more mental gymnastics as way to justify dismissing a coach.

You don't need mental gymnastics to dismiss Quinn. This is his 3rd year coaching a sloppy, undisciplined, inconsistent, and unsuccessful team.

Yes, I believe that magic dust was sprinkled when it came from bringing Fox from being thought of as a nice offensive 2nd pair d-man to someone who has come to borderline elite levels. Pretty sure it did not come from the sky.

Fox always had elite levels of talent and an elite mind. What he didn't have was size or strength and that made people question whether or not he could play against top, or even any, NHL competition. He can, so he does. That is pretty much the entire uncomplicated saga of Adam Fox.

Where Quinn fits in besides giving him ice time and maybe strength and conditioning I have no idea. Coaches usually get credit for teaching something specific "Torts taught this player to forecheck and that player to block shots" or get some small credit for refining or rounding a players game. Straight up giving a coach credit for development is new.

 

[McRanger]

What's unbearable is the selective reasoning. And the hyperbole.

This season (and last, too) have been unlike any seasons we've ever seen. That seems to be easily dismissed with "well other teams are going through the same thing." Which is irrelevant as every team is different. And players are creatures of habit whose lives (like all off ours) have been put out of wack.

For some reason, the rabid Anti-Quinn crowd is more than willing to kill him for every fault, yet want to give him no credit for anything positive. Fox, Lindrgen, and Miller have all been very good. But rather than credit Quinn, they were either developed by Harvard, Boston or Wisconsin. Or they were already developed when the Ranger traded for them or drafted them.

Kappo Kakko has been better this year. Are the offensive numbers where we would all like? Of course not. But he has played a much more engaged and better all-around game than he should last season. That's development. That's progressison. But, rather than recognizing Quinn has played a part in that, people complain because Kakko hasn't reached the number that they concocted in their heads (Kakko will score 60 points as a rookie).

Lafreniere is playing a like a rookie. Imagine that. But is Lafreniere's lack of production the bigger issue than Mika being just awful this season? And are either Quinn's fault? The easy answer is yes. But the real answer is no.

It's very easy to blame Quinn for what's wrong with the team. Because, by and large, this team's biggest weaknesses were what where believed to the givens and strength heading into the season (the top 6 and the goaltending). Those two factors have struggled and now Quinn isn't the right coach for the team when those two things were, by and large, positives last years.

No team is a good as they look when they're winning. And they're not as bad as they look. But that really should not be the standard when looking at this team. Objectively, this team had as good a chance to miss the playoffs as they did making it. And, if we're being honest, a better chance of being a lottery team than winning a playoff round. That's where this team is. And no amount of bitching, moaning, pleading and willing won't change that. Despite how much this board wants it to.

This team young, developing and far from being a finished product. Progression and development is not a straight line. And, whether people want to admit it or not, theses non-typical seasons will effect the growing process. Further, this team shouldn't be truly be judged by wins and losses at this point.

Speaking for myself, what is so unbearable is the general inability to have a normal conversation and agree to disagree. To see the other side and take a moment to see what that person is really saying. Rather, too often, the natural response is anything from "you're wrong" to "can I have what you're smoking." Instead of debating an argument, the MO becomes "think the way I do." So I can try to explain that while there are things that Quinn that I don't understand I think there are positives that can't be overlooked. But it's easier to throw out things like "he's been outreached every game" and to bend over backwards to give Quinn no credit. It's the dealing in black and white, dealing in absolutes and needing to prove that "I'm right" that us what's unbearable.

Conventional wisdom was you can't rebuild in NY. Judging by the need for instant gratification and lack of patience, maybe CW was right....

This board spent the better part of 2 decades: complaining about everything Sather did (giving any and all credit to other people), savaging head coaches (shMuckler! Ron Blow! AV is a clown lets tear down the team after one month, oh wait we're in the Cup Final!) endlessly shitposting about the wrong players, creating and endlessly repeating bizarre narratives (Nash's problem isn't the concussions! He's just mentally weak!) and generally disparaging people that were either too positive (the sunshine brigade!) or too negative at the wrong moments.

So yeah the idea that this board is somehow meaner or more argumentative is straight up revisionism.

As for Quinn, I can't even imagine what the board would have done if a poster tried to use this development angle on a different coach. Someone claiming its wasn't Ron Low's fault that his roster and goaltending were terrible and that we should keep him around because Kim Johnsson and Tomas Kloucek developed out of nowhere or Radek Dvorak had a breakout year or whoever, would probably not have been met with an "I politely disagree".

 

[wafflepadsave]

As with most things, both sides have made some valid points. And this is coming from someone who’s given up on Quinn. Everything is most definitely not his fault in the grand scheme of things.

I question some of his decisions, but this team has also had some really bad luck this year.

I think most here will agree he’s not an end game coach for us. But, who cares what I think. Please, proceed with the Kung fu fighting. It’s kind of amusing.

No, the next line is “ those cats were fast as lightning “.

 

[Tob]

Skinner's smile and laugh to the 2nd tweet's question is pretty hilarious. Good reminder to all of us that he was the Justin Bieber of the Raleigh All-Star Game of 2011.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

This board spent the better part of 2 decades: complaining about everything Sather did (giving any and all credit to other people), savaging head coaches (shMuckler! Ron Blow! AV is a clown lets tear down the team after one month, oh wait we're in the Cup Final!) endlessly shitposting about the wrong players, creating and endlessly repeating bizarre narratives (Nash's problem isn't the concussions! He's just mentally weak!) and generally disparaging people that were either too positive (the sunshine brigade!) or too negative at the wrong moments.

So yeah the idea that this board is somehow meaner or more argumentative is straight up revisionism.

As for Quinn, I can't even imagine what the board would have done if a poster tried to use this development angle on a different coach. Someone claiming its wasn't Ron Low's fault that his roster and goaltending were terrible and that we should keep him around because Kim Johnsson and Tomas Kloucek developed out of nowhere or Radek Dvorak had a breakout year or whoever, would probably not have been met with an "I politely disagree".

If you don't see how the organization is in a different place now then they were in the Muckler/Sather/Trottier/Low era, I'm not sure what to tell you. Those teams squandered away draft picks, spent like a drunken sailor in free agency and really emerged from those years with little positive to show for it—no playoffs, no real prospects and no development of young players.

Can I imagine what the board would have done if a poster tried to use this development angle on a different coach? Probably not. Because we really haven't seen a Ranger coach starting from scratch the way they are now. Perhaps Renney's first year. And I remember him taking his far share of shit from the people.

 

[BKGooner]

Renney is actually a great developer of young talent. He is very well suited for his current job.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Renney is actually a great developer of young talent. He is very well suited for his current job.

I for sure liked the role Renney filled at the time. He coached the kids in HFT. Then came up to the big club. Then those kids trickled into the big club line up. When it was time, a real NHL coach took over and made men out of the kids with the help of a very strong leadership core of Prospal, Feds, Drury, Shanahan, and Rozy.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Renney is actually a great developer of young talent. He is very well suited for his current job.

Renney didn’t get enough credit. He completely revamped the attitude in Hartford. His players played their asses off for him and it showed. He brought that attitude up here and it was a key factor in eliminating the bullshit performances we endured during our dark days.

Renney lacked the X’s and O’s to really excel as a HC in the NHL. Still respect the f*** out of him though.

 

[BKGooner]

Renney didn’t get enough credit. He completely revamped the attitude in Hartford. His players played their asses off for him and it showed. He brought that attitude up here and it was a key factor in eliminating the bullshit performances we endured during our dark days.

Renney lacked the X’s and O’s to really excel as a HC in the NHL. Still respect the f*** out of him though.

Kinda why I think you go through stages of head coach in building a contender. A developmental change, a systems he and then a put it all together motivator . Quinn may not be long for here but I think we still need a phase 1 coach.

 

[pateman]

Edit

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

People love ripping on Ryan Strome, but he's been really good this year. When do we start giving him credit?

 

[JayAB81]

People love ripping on Ryan Strome, but he's been really good this year. When do we start giving him credit?

Agreed, Strome looking really good this year, 6 goals on the season, could he develop/become the 2C we need? Or what about Chytil when he returns?

 

[RGY]

People love ripping on Ryan Strome, but he's been really good this year. When do we start giving him credit?

Lmao what?!???!?!?? Are we being punked???? Ashton!!!! Ashton!!!

 

[Vitto79]

Leslie saying Reuananen on the taxi . Hope he plays Sunday

 

[Machinehead]

This is an extremely high quality postings

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Lmao what?!???!?!?? Are we being punked???? Ashton!!!! Ashton!!!

It’s the same old Strome.

He has a stretch where people say “wow this guy might be a real player” and then inevitably he goes back to being Ryan Strome, where you smack your forehead and say “why did they sign this guy?”

 

[GAGLine]

The East division:

Bruins +6
Islanders +6
Philly +1
Rangers +1
Devils -3
Penguins -4
Sabres -7

It's kind of crazy that there's only a 13 goal difference from top to bottom in goal differential in the division. In the North, the best is +19 and worst -27. In the Central, +25 and -24. And in the West, +14 and -18.

The East is definitely the most competitive division.

 

[RGY]

It’s the same old Strome.

He has a stretch where people say “wow this guy might be a real player” and then inevitably he goes back to being Ryan Strome, where you smack your forehead and say “why did they sign this guy?”

Lol and his “stretch” has been game 18 of the season. People thinking he has been good before tonight is absolutely wild. WILD. He has been impressively bad.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Leslie saying Reuananen on the taxi . Hope he plays Sunday

I doubt it.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Lol and his “stretch” has been game 18 of the season. People thinking he has been good before tonight is absolutely wild. WILD. He has been impressively bad.

He has definitely had some bright moments before tonight

 

[RGY]

He has definitely had some bright moments before tonight

What were they? Even if you can find 5 “bright” moments, I will find you 30 braindead dumbass useless moments.