Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXI - All along the Watch Tower

[TominNC]

You don’t let players like Lindgren go. That’s the type of player that you either trade away a then spend the next 5 years trying to replace with expensive UFAs that never pan out or you spend a fortune trading for at TDL for a playoff push.

Or you give a longer contract to and watch them fall apart like Girardi.

 

[duhmetreE]

Nashville is shopping Matthias Ekholm and he would be an ideal acquisition for the Rangers. The experienced veteran presence that the Rangers could definitely use on the back end. A very steady player with plenty left in the tank. I have no idea if they would be interested in DeAngelo but I’d still be inquiring. Nice contract ($3.75 MM through 2021-22) that fits the timeline for the arrival of players like Matt Robertson and Zac Jones.

This is a place I’d spend some of my prospect capital.

Would Hajek be sent the other way? I dont see a world where Hajek sticks on the team even though he has played well.

 

[duhmetreE]

You don’t let players like Lindgren go. That’s the type of player that you either trade away a then spend the next 5 years trying to replace with expensive UFAs that never pan out or you spend a fortune trading for at TDL for a playoff push.

I wouldn't let him go anytime soon. Batman and Robin stay together for a long time.

 

[cheech70]

Bread-Mika-Buch
Laf-Fil-KK
Krieder-Strome-Gaut
Lemmy-Rooney-Blackwell-Howden-PDG

lindgren-Fox
K'Andre-Smith
Hayek-Biddetto

Play them for 2 weeks lets see what happens

 

[True Blue]

Or you give a longer contract to and watch them fall apart like Girardi.

What makes Lindgren Girardi? By this logic no defenseman should be allowed to be around a team long term

 

[Fitzy]

What makes Lindgren Girardi? By this logic no defenseman should be allowed to be around a team long term

The style of play is less conducive to a lengthy career.

Not saying Lindgren won't still be good at age 30, it's that he's much less likely to still be healthy and on top of his game at that age than other blueliners.

I'm not advocating trading Lindgren, my point is if you have to make decisions 3 years from now about who to extend long term, that needs to be considered.

On the other hand, the fact that stay at home blueliners tend to take home substantially less than their worth to the team in salary also has to be considered.

 

[pld459666]

I want to point out that Eichel has as many goals as Mika. I know that Mika has a lot fewer assists but Eichel is a sub PPG player right now some of these trade proposals are crazy. Miller? Laf? Kakko? These aren't guys we are overrating as Rangers fans, all three have superstar potential. f*** that.

But, but, but.....hes going to be different here.

Im not trading any of Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, Miller, Shesty for Eichel.

Offer them Zib and CK and our top 3 protected 1st in 2021

 

[cheech70]

Why should Shesty be untouchable in any Eichel deal? My 1-2 year player rank is
1-Fox
2-Laf
3-K'Andre
4-KK
5-Shesty

At a minimum you need to include 1 of these young stud roster players...I say Shesty ! Goalies come out of the blue constantly and perform at a high level on playoff runs.

To show we are serious this years unprotected 1st.
I'd rather trade Mika over Filip.
Our LD is Deep and I dearly want to keep Nils and possibly Schnieder,
So Robertson or anyone else on LD not named K'Andre

So 2021 unprotected 1st+Mika+ Shesty+ Robertson +2nd rder= Eichel
That is something the Sabres can build around and if Mika doesn't resign trade him for a 1st and a 2nd.

 

[duhmetreE]

What makes Lindgren Girardi? By this logic no defenseman should be allowed to be around a team long term

Your body can only take so much.

Girardi was one example. Similar in those 'terminator' vibes. Ryan Callahan would be another example where the body just breaks down. We're 7-8 years from that point, so its nothing to worry about yet.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Yeah, I am pretty much terrified of pulling another Girardi (and he was one of my favourite Rangers during his tenure).

Lindgren is awesome, but please no long term contracts. We can sign him above market value to two-year contracts for the rest of his career, I wouldn't mind at all; but he is just such a risky guy to tie up long term.

 

[kovazub94]

Why should Shesty be untouchable in any Eichel deal? My 1-2 year player rank is
1-Fox
2-Laf
3-K'Andre
4-KK
5-Shesty

At a minimum you need to include 1 of these young stud roster players...I say Shesty ! Goalies come out of the blue constantly and perform at a high level on playoff runs.

To show we are serious this years unprotected 1st.
I'd rather trade Mika over Filip.
Our LD is Deep and I dearly want to keep Nils and possibly Schnieder,
So Robertson or anyone else on LD not named K'Andre

So 2021 unprotected 1st+Mika+ Shesty+ Robertson +2nd rder= Eichel
That is something the Sabres can build around and if Mika doesn't resign trade him for a 1st and a 2nd.

To each his own but I’d put Shesterkin at the top of the protected list over anyone.

 

[pld459666]

To each his own but I’d put Shesterkin at the top of the protected list over anyone.

For me, hes no 4

Lafreniere
Kakko/Fox
Fox/Kakko
Shesty
Miller

But I'm not dealing any one of my top 5

Zib, CK or Buch, and a top 3 protected 1st in 21.

We would still need Chytil to develop so that we are not moving these assets while not actually addressing our center situation

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah, I am pretty much terrified of pulling another Girardi (and he was one of my favourite Rangers during his tenure).

Lindgren is awesome, but please no long term contracts. We can sign him above market value to two-year contracts for the rest of his career, I wouldn't mind at all; but he is just such a risky guy to tie up long term.

He's got a while before you have to worry about that happening or the long term contract even being on the table.

 

[Rongomania]

To each his own but I’d put Shesterkin at the top of the protected list over anyone.

Shest/Laf/Kak/Miller

you have to keep. Probably fox as well.

Everything else including this year's unprotected 1st can GTFO for a stud C

 

[cheech70]

To each his own but I’d put Shesterkin at the top of the protected list over anyone.

Yeah at the end of the day its about risk assessment and to me its about goalies in general. The premium is rich and maybe a bit exaggerated when looking who has won the cup the last 10 years and the goalies involved.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Just a nitpicky thing, but having a protection on the 2021 1st is irrelevant if you’re moving it in an Eichel trade. Regardless, that type of trade would happen after the season, so they’d already know what position their first would be in the draft. Having protections on the 2022 1st is a different story

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Shesty should be at the bottom of the list of any untouchables.

We live in a world were Braden Holtby, Jordan Binnington, Marc Andre Fleury and Matt Murray have led their teams to cups.

Having an excellent goalie is great and I'd rather keep him, but you can win with slightly more than competent at the goaltending position. You cannot win with slightly more than competent at either D or F.

 

[SRHRangers]

Imo.

1. Kakko.
2. LaF.
3. Miller.
4. Fox.
5. Igor.

Love Fox, but his ceiling isn't threw the roof like the top 3.

I'm still not dealing him though lol.

 

[Kords]

Love Igor, but I totally agree that he shouldn't be "untouchable". Goalies are just built different these days. Guys like Khudobin can steal a starter job at 34 and Vezna caliber guys like Bobrovsky can completely fall off a cliff.

 

[jay from jersey]

Shesty should be at the bottom of the list of any untouchables.

We live in a world were Braden Holtby, Jordan Binnington, Marc Andre Fleury and Matt Murray have led their teams to cups.

Having an excellent goalie is great and I'd rather keep him, but you can win with slightly more than competent at the goaltending position. You cannot win with slightly more than competent at either D or F.

Goalies can run hot and cold. Binnington was nothing special. He had a great playoff. I would only deal shesty if there was a back up plan. I don’t think Georgiev huska or Georgiev wall is enough in the cupboard at this point in time to consider moving him. Look at Jim Carey for god sakes. And we all thought we were set in net with Montoya and Blackburn too... a good goalie that’s consistent is a very important piece

 

[Cmox]

CHRIS HOWDEN, IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL! SORRY, THAT'S KREIDER!

“Excuse me, Kreider”

 

[EdJovanovski]

Lol people already souring on Shesty?
Guy has a career 2.32 GAA & .928 SV%
He is the KHL record holder for basically every statistical category
He’s the only one of our top end prospects who’s lived up to the hype yet, maybe we were too spoiled with Lundqvist and take elite goaltending as a given, and some are pessimistic about the fact we didn’t win a cup with Hank.

 

[bobbop]

Would Hajek be sent the other way? I dont see a world where Hajek sticks on the team even though he has played well.

He would certainly be a candidate. So would others. The beauty of the Rangers looking at Ekholm would be that they have an expansion draft protection spot available. He is not a one year rental.

The Rangers have a pretty good core forming already. They do not have place for all of the younger players in their pipeline. They also need an experienced defenseman to settle down the group and help the development of the younger players. I could see Ekholm bolstering the current group that's in place and then helping fellow Swede Lundqvist adjust to the NHL next year. He fits.

I don't know if there is a deal to be made but short of including a #1 draft pick (no thank you) I am sure listening. And before anyone says "he'll bring back a first round pick for sure" just remember that almost a third of the league is playing on expiring contracts this year and the trade market will be flooded with rentals in April (e.g. Arizona has 5 UFA defensemen who could be available including guys like Hjalmarsson, Goligoski and Demers)

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Shesty should be at the bottom of the list of any untouchables.

We live in a world were Braden Holtby, Jordan Binnington, Marc Andre Fleury and Matt Murray have led their teams to cups.

Having an excellent goalie is great and I'd rather keep him, but you can win with slightly more than competent at the goaltending position. You cannot win with slightly more than competent at either D or F.

This is one of the reasons why I actually wouldn't flip out if they think Wallstedt is an elite prospect and use their 1st on him.

Give Shesty a bridge through his RFA years (thru 2023). Keep Wallstedt in Europe until then. Then make the switch, keeping Wallstedt for the 5 years he will have at that point until UFA.

Having an elite G is a nice luxury but you can't afford to pay top $ to the position the way they did with Hank.

 

[cheech70]

Lol people already souring on Shesty?
Guy has a career 2.32 GAA & .928 SV%
He is the KHL record holder for basically every statistical category
He’s the only one of our top end prospects who’s lived up to the hype yet, maybe we were too spoiled with Lundqvist and take elite goaltending as a given, and some are pessimistic about the fact we didn’t win a cup with Hank.

Far from souring....we need to add one of the 5 to make a deal for Jack...as I look at the list Igor may be the one who could convince the Sabres to pull the trigger...we need to give up one of the Stud 5 to do a deal. If they play like they did yesterday as a template moving forward most goalies would succeed..