Matt Rentfree
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I think our best chance of ditching Kreider before 24-25 is Boston. Please please please price yourself absurdly high, Taylor Hall!
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I think our best chance of ditching Kreider before 24-25 is Boston. Please please please price yourself absurdly high, Taylor Hall!
Because if we have to we’ll buy them out or press box them. It’s not impossible to compel a player to waive. Does Kreider want to be a third liner starting next year? Or be a leader somewhere that has room for him? It’s not as if teams don’t get guys to waive. The return won’t be anything, but it can be navigated. You sit Kreider down and say “you saw what just happened - President and GM fired, ownership wants to change things, your role is going to be more and more limited going forward...” etc.
Kreider comes first. The kids who will push Trouba out aren’t ready full time yet. I thought Trouba’s wife was doing medical school in NY, not working here full time. By the time his number is up she should be done and able to practice anywhere. I’m sure there’s worse things than an 8M NHLer and a doctor having to choose somewhere else to live besides NYC.
James Dolan: Chris Drury 'the right guy' to lead the Rangers
"“He reminds me somewhat of [Yankees GM] Brian Cashman.”"
"“He reminds me somewhat of [Yankees GM] Brian Cashman.”"
Matt Rentfree
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“Honestly, we have enough talent now to compete for a Stanley Cup,” he said.
If he truly believes that, he's a ****ing moron.
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
LiveLongandProspal
NY Rangers = America's Team
He was fired after three consecutive playoff appearances. I think that bridge is burned.
Drury going to name himself head coach and team captain right after the season is over
"There will be a decision concerning the fate of head coach David Quinn, who has two years remaining on his contract. Drury, remember, was instrumental in the search and hiring process of the former BU coach.
“It’s totally Chris’ call,” Dolan said. “I think Chris has some pretty unique insight into it.”
So the Rangers forge ahead. Unspoken or not, Drury has the mandate to bring the Rangers to the next level, sooner than later. Following Wednesday, there is unease in Rangerstown that Dolan will assume a greater presence in the operation and turn it into someplace like Knicksland.
“No, no, no,” Dolan said. “I don’t delude myself with basketball or hockey to say that I know what to do. But I do have a job and I do have a responsibility, and with the Knicks, I chose Leon Rose.
“Yes, I chose the other guys too, and by the way, every time I did I was hopeful I was getting the right guy. But sports doesn’t always work out that way. But when it comes to the Rangers, I’m turning the reins over to Chris.
“I have complete faith in him. I hope he’s here for 20 years.”
“It’s totally Chris’ call,” Dolan said. “I think Chris has some pretty unique insight into it.”
So the Rangers forge ahead. Unspoken or not, Drury has the mandate to bring the Rangers to the next level, sooner than later. Following Wednesday, there is unease in Rangerstown that Dolan will assume a greater presence in the operation and turn it into someplace like Knicksland.
“No, no, no,” Dolan said. “I don’t delude myself with basketball or hockey to say that I know what to do. But I do have a job and I do have a responsibility, and with the Knicks, I chose Leon Rose.
“Yes, I chose the other guys too, and by the way, every time I did I was hopeful I was getting the right guy. But sports doesn’t always work out that way. But when it comes to the Rangers, I’m turning the reins over to Chris.
“I have complete faith in him. I hope he’s here for 20 years.”
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
“I started thinking about it 20 or 25 games ago at a time when the team really needed to show heart and we had key games — I won’t be specific — where we had to show up and had to come out strong, and even if we lost, it had to be our best effort,” Dolan said. “And we clearly had nowhere close to our best effort.”
If it wasn't obvious enough, Quinn is gonzo alonzo.
If it wasn't obvious enough, Quinn is gonzo alonzo.
haveandare
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Kreider I can understand - Trouba being movable at all depends on very serious growth from guys who haven’t even played a professional game yet.
haveandare
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This is the first think Dolan has said about this that I actually agree with, but it still doesn’t seem to explain firing both guys with 3 games left at all. Wait two weeks, say this is the issue and fire Quinn too and it at least seems like a semi logical move
Richard Banger
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I do agree, although with Fox being the clear top dollar Dman on the roster, Trouba may eventually have to be moved regardless of those guys progress. That is not nearly pressing or imminent, but likely eventually necessary unless the cap starts going back up.
Yeah, and I also think a lot of this comes from “loyalty”. It’s a strong effin driving power.
There is of course loyalty between the players, but it’s definitely not overwhelming towards management and certainly non-existing towards the coach. We all know how Quinn have strong armed the team into playing, then after the game last night, he goes out and say this:
“I couldn’t be more proud.”
“It certainly speaks volumes to how these guys want to play for each other and how they care for each other in difficult circumstances,” said David Quinn.
What will the players feel that have been disciplined by DQ and publicly humiliated for showing emotions and standing up for themselves and the team feel when they read this??
How will Panarin feel when he sits there wondering how hard that blow to the head really was and if he will get concussion symptoms, when he sees DQ rush out to declare that Panarin is fine and wasn’t hurt by the assault? We all know how the league looks way to much into actual injury when assessing suspensions. Of course no biggie in itself, but you just don’t do that.
Maybe Lemieux wanted out, but he will want to puke when he reads a comment like this from DQ.
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None of this happened with Staal and Girardi, who were significantly bigger anchors, and they won’t happen with Trouba and Kreider.
What is the Venn diagram of posters on this thread who aren't concerned with NMCs kicking in and posters on this thread who pretend that NMCs don't exist after they kick in?
I can’t see Trouba waiving.
But how would Kreider react if Drury went to him and made it clear that they would prefer to see him go somewhere else? Chris is a proud man.
Kreider is a poster boy for what is wrong with this team. Soo many times, he have been nowhere to be seen when his team mates have been endangered on the ice.
6 wingers on our top 3 lines. Pan, Laf, Kakko, Kravy and Buch are 5. Kreider is the 6th and 9 out of 10 times he won’t be prepared to do a thing. Of those 6, you would like to get in at least two guys who plays with more emotions and are physical. If Kreider stays, it means that two of Pan, Laf, Kakko, Kravy and Buch must go. I rather Kreider be on the move.
Kreider is 5+1 his last 20 PO games, and had some really really totally invisible showings when the team really needed him. Maybe a new coach simply could ultimatum him into the right mode. But...
FireGerardGallant
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Im just gonna say it, how wrong is he. Talent wise we have an mvp candidate one of the best defenders in the league a top tier goaltender and some of the most talented youngsters in the league. This team is like a solid bottom six and not a terrible bottom pair from being up there. Problem is there has been so many games they have not looked like they give a f***.
Dr. Ogrodnick
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Name the times Kreider was no where to be seen.
Fighting has never been his game, why is it his responsibility? Despite that you can easily find 10+ clips of Kreider fighting in about 3 seconds. Sure, his contract isn't great, but manageable until he has a NMC loosens, which will be well before his value diminishes too much. He can play 3rd line, kill penalties, and is still one of the better net front presences in the league on the PP. He'll pot 20+ next season in that role and be a guy that can move up the line up in case of injury or a young forward having a down patch.
Kreider - Zib - Buch
Panarin - Strome - KK
Laf - Chytil - Krav
Barron - Rooney - Blackwell
Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Oleksiak - Lundkvist/Schneider
Who are we trading? Where does the room come from to change the identity? Okay, we’re trading Buch. Not for a top six center. We’re adding? Okay, are we adding Chytil? Kravtsov? Lundkvist, our great hope for another puck mover on the back end? So it’s Buch + Gauthier/Howden/Jones? May as well just be Buch. We can trade Strome. No one is giving us an upgrade on Strome for Strome either. If the blue chips are off the table and we’re not creating cap space anywhere else, this is the team we’re going to see.
Buch is one of the last guys we should be looking to move but is likely a cap casualty. Otherwise we’re basically icing the same team next year and the need to move those two big contracts is even greater since we’ve just given out another. Unless we’re packaging Buch, Chytil, Robertson/Schneider for a major return, there’s not a lot of ways to shake up this roster. Sacred lambs will have to go to the slaughter. If we don’t want that to be Laf or Kakko than it’s got a good likelihood of being Krav and Chytil. If we don’t want it to be Chytil it could be Miller or Lundkvist. We won’t achieve change by signing 4th line bargain bin guys and keeping the status quo. Playing Kreider on the third line, where he should be for Laf to get minutes and evolve, is a waste of the remainder of Kreider’s prime and cap space. I think he could be convinced to waive for a bigger role.
Matt Rentfree
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You said it yourself though - that is not the same thing as saying "This team has the talent RIGHT NOW to compete for the Stanley Cup" That's what he said and in my opinion it's not true.
His new contract has kicked in. Full NMC for an additional 3 seasons.
Starting July 1st 2024 he submits his 15 team No Trade List.
There were so many people here who wanted nothing to do with this extension.
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haveandare
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Who was “publicly humiliated for showing emotion”?
And Panarin has been emphatically praising the team on social media after last night.
Quinn has real issues but these definitely aren’t them imo.
A lot of eyes were on this group of not particularly tough or gritty guys up against a team with a handful of guys who could have beaten many of them pretty badly if a fight went south. Despite that they threw hands a bunch and tried their best to play a hard game in the spotlight. I’m not beaming with pride or anything but I thought it was well handled by them. It’s not easy to willingly get into a spot where you know you can easily be embarrassed or hurt with everyone watching closely.
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