Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXXI: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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This sounds like Sather thinks the team plays too soft of a style. Glad to hear he's not talking about finding a punisher...yet. Find a coach that stresses pace and physicality and not safe neutral zone play and we're fine.


I'm responding to the tweet, not the post. Was it really a sign of a young team sticking together? Who dropped the gloves last night, anyone who will help set the tone of the franchise in upcoming years?

I'm not criticizing anyone and I see why the Rangers responded like that but I'm not entirely sold on this being a bonding experience when most of the participants don't seem to be in the long term plans. Maybe it sets expectations.
 
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I'm responding to the tweet, not the post. Was it really a sign of a young team sticking together? Who dropped the gloves last night, anyone who will help set the tone of the franchise in upcoming years?

I'm not criticizing anyone and I see why the Rangers responded like that but I'm not entirely sold on this being a bonding experience when most of the participants don't seem to be in the long term plans. Maybe it sets expectations.
The only exception is Barron. He tried to go with Oshie but Oshie skated away. Points to Barron for willing to go.
 
To be fair, signing one enforcer is a lot less potentially harmful than tearing down the entire roster to rebuild it with more physicality.

In particular it's the small defensive prospects like Jones and Lundkvist who I worry about with this change of message.

yea I’m pretty confident Jones is going and they would keep Robertson instead

also likely to add a LD in trade or UFA and start Robertson in the A
 
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I'll put money down that Dolan thought about cutting Dru as well and almost gave it back to the Colonel.

At least I have faith in Dru as he is basically Gorton light.

I have no problem with calling up Knoblauch, he looked good in his stint, they played good for him.
 
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I'm guessing we'll get a video of it from Rangers Twitter in a couple of hours.
just amazing with something like the last 24hrs that they dont have it there for people right away, although they probably want to edit it to be perfect pr wise
 
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My thoughts.

(a) I think one of Kakko, Kravy and Buch should go. We have always assumed that its one of the two later, but thinking about it, I am not entirely sure that I would be against Kakko being dealt either, with three huge caveats that (a) it would have to be in a deal for someone that really makes sense, that (b) we cannot get without making KK available and (c) Buch is willing to take a reasonable long-term deal.

(b) I've done a 360, Brett Howden should be traded too. We need more grit and can't afford to carry him.

(c) Everyone is different, normally nothing can be done, but if Chris Kreider is willing to waive his NTC you trade him ASAP no matter the return. He is excused for this last debacle, but he is as big of a part of the problem as anyone else. He is physical ability to stand up for his teammates, but he doesn't. Earlier in the season we saw Caps players hound Lindgren all over the ice after a clean hit. Lindgren can't fight Wilson or Dillon and the likes. Kreider is nowhere to be seen. In this case I think he would have stuck up for Panarin, but we need more.

I keep talking about how being physical and hard to play against, is -- all -- about being able to carry physical and gritty players. If a bad team picks up gritty and physical players, they always just sucks x2. Kreider takes up a central roster position in this regard but don't contribute enough.

(d) Alexander Georgiev should be dealt, too inexperienced and inconsistent. We need a back-up that can provide stability. Big blunder by Gorts to go with Georgiev. Prolly saw potential in terms of a big return, but that is just too greedy. Not worth gambling team stability on a weak return like that. Hank no doubt should have been kept around the last year. Bring in one of these bigger goalies with an attitude that can be had fairly cheap. Will do our room good.

(e) On defense, I think we are close to set. Schenider is problematic though, because I would love to have him on the roster. But no matter what, we can't only have Fox on the blueline that is really good at moving the puck. Lundkvist should get in there. I like Jones a lot too, but ultimately I think Nils bests these two. Keep Smith around, as a 7th D if nothing else.

One guy I really like and that I would make some calls on is Kaihden Guhle, who Montreal owns the rights to.

(f) The biggest difference personel wise that I would like to see is that we value giving out positions on the team more in terms of roles and what we need as a team. Out with guys that don't really contribute in any key area, and focus more on making players count in specific areas.

I think its really really important that we build a team with the right mentality, the right attitude. The kids needs vets to lead the way in this area. There should be zero room for players without (a) any kind of attitude or (b) any kind of ability to carry and make players around them better. I like Rooney, but 4th line wing, don't think its worth giving a role that can be populated with more of a attitude player. Gauthier should without any single doubt be gone. Heck, I wouldn't mind if we made a statement to him and Howden and just relieved them of their duties instantly. They have neglected their rights to dress up for this organization ever again.

(g) No matter what, I really would prefer to see the new GM bring in tougher players -- that are knocking on the door to the league, over vets a la Glass. In the right role with the right opportunity, these players can grow really well.
 
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My thoughts.

(a) I think one of Kakko, Kravy and Buch should go. We have always assumed that its one of the two later, but thinking about it, I am not entirely sure that I would be against Kakko being dealt either, with three huge caveats that (a) it would have to be in a deal for someone that really makes sense, that (b) we cannot get without making KK available and (c) Buch is willing to take a reasonable long-term deal.

(b) I've done a 360, Brett Howden should be traded too. We need more grit and can't afford to carry him.

(c) Everyone is different, normally nothing can be done, but if Chris Kreider is willing to waive his NTC you trade him ASAP no matter the return. He is excused for this last debacle, but he is as big of a part of the problem as anyone else. He is physical ability to stand up for his teammates, but he doesn't. Earlier in the season we saw Caps players hound Lindgren all over the ice after a clean hit. Lindgren can't fight Wilson or Dillon and the likes. Kreider is nowhere to be seen. In this case I think he would have stuck up for Panarin, but we need more.

I keep talking about how being physical and hard to play against, is -- all -- about being able to carry physical and gritty players. If a bad team picks up gritty and physical players, they always just sucks x2. Kreider takes up a central roster position in this regard but don't contribute enough.

(d) Alexander Georgiev should be dealt, too inexperienced and inconsistent. We need a back-up that can provide stability. Big blunder by Gorts to go with Georgiev. Prolly saw potential in terms of a big return, but that is just too greedy. Not worth gambling team stability on a weak return like that. Hank no doubt should have been kept around the last year. Bring in one of these bigger goalies with an attitude that can be had fairly cheap. Will do our room good.

(e) On defense, I think we are close to set. Schenider is problematic though, because I would love to have him on the roster. But no matter what, we can't only have Fox on the blueline that is really good at moving the puck. Lundkvist should get in there. I like Jones a lot too, but ultimately I think Nils bests these two. Keep Smith around, as a 7th D if nothing else.

One guy I really like and that I would make some calls on is Kaihden Guhle, who Montreal owns the rights to.

(f) The biggest difference personel wise that I would like to see is that we value giving out positions on the team more in terms of roles and what we need as a team. Out with guys that don't really contribute in any key area, and focus more on making players count in specific areas.

I think its really really important that we build a team with the right mentality, the right attitude. The kids needs vets to lead the way in this area. There should be zero room for players without (a) any kind of attitude or (b) any kind of ability to carry and make players around them better. I like Rooney, but 4th line wing, don't think its worth giving a role that can be populated with more of a attitude player. Gauthier should without any single doubt be gone. Heck, I wouldn't mind if we made a statement to him and Howden and just relieved them of their duties instantly. They have neglected their rights to dress up for this organization ever again.

(g) No matter what, I really would prefer to see the new GM bring in tougher players -- that are knocking on the door to the league, over vets a la Glass. In the right role with the right opportunity, these players can grow really well.
Trading Kakko now would be a huge, huge blunder. He just went from a liability to one of the best defensive players on the ice, and he was drafted for his insane offensive skillset. I am extremely confident he’s going to be a gamer next year and if we move him we’ll 100% regret it. Any GM insisting on him in return for nearly anyone is pushing their luck and should not be appeased.

I love Buch and how he’s grown but who to trade of those 3, you choose Buch easily.
 
Going full bern

Zibanejad to VGS for Krebs+Nosek
Buchnevich to FLA to Lundell+Bennett
Chytil+Robertson+Miller+1st to BUF for Eichel
Sign Oleksiak

Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lafrenière-Eichel-Kravtsov
Kreider-Lundell-Bennett
Barron-Rooney-Nosek

Lindgren-Fox
Oleksiak-Lundkvist
Jones-Trouba

I like it. My spin of the Bern:

Zibenijad + Buchnevich to FLA > Lundell, Bennett + 1st. FLA wins cup, Barkov > 22/23 NYR.
Chytil + Kravtsov + Miller/Jones + Robertson + 1st + 1st (FLA) to ARI > Chychryn + Dvorak


Panarin - Strome - Bennett / Panarin - Barkov - Bennett
Lafrenière - Dvorak - Kakko/ Lafrenière - Lundell - Kakko
Kreider - Lundell - old hand / (Kreider) - Dvorak - old hand

Lindgren - Fox
Chychryn - Lundkvist
Jones - Trouba
Schneider


Shesty
Georgiev

Other options. Kotkaniemi (better two way player, more physical, better passer than Chytil but less offensive upside potentially), Holloway, Krebs etc.
 
Going full bern

Zibanejad to VGS for Krebs+Nosek
Buchnevich to FLA to Lundell+Bennett
Chytil+Robertson+Miller+1st to BUF for Eichel
Sign Oleksiak

Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lafrenière-Eichel-Kravtsov
Kreider-Lundell-Bennett
Barron-Rooney-Nosek

Lindgren-Fox
Oleksiak-Lundkvist
Jones-Trouba

YES YOU DA MAN
 
My thoughts.

(a) I think one of Kakko, Kravy and Buch should go. We have always assumed that its one of the two later, but thinking about it, I am not entirely sure that I would be against Kakko being dealt either, with three huge caveats that (a) it would have to be in a deal for someone that really makes sense, that (b) we cannot get without making KK available and (c) Buch is willing to take a reasonable long-term deal.

(b) I've done a 360, Brett Howden should be traded too. We need more grit and can't afford to carry him.

(c) Everyone is different, normally nothing can be done, but if Chris Kreider is willing to waive his NTC you trade him ASAP no matter the return. He is excused for this last debacle, but he is as big of a part of the problem as anyone else. He is physical ability to stand up for his teammates, but he doesn't. Earlier in the season we saw Caps players hound Lindgren all over the ice after a clean hit. Lindgren can't fight Wilson or Dillon and the likes. Kreider is nowhere to be seen. In this case I think he would have stuck up for Panarin, but we need more.

I keep talking about how being physical and hard to play against, is -- all -- about being able to carry physical and gritty players. If a bad team picks up gritty and physical players, they always just sucks x2. Kreider takes up a central roster position in this regard but don't contribute enough.

(d) Alexander Georgiev should be dealt, too inexperienced and inconsistent. We need a back-up that can provide stability. Big blunder by Gorts to go with Georgiev. Prolly saw potential in terms of a big return, but that is just too greedy. Not worth gambling team stability on a weak return like that. Hank no doubt should have been kept around the last year. Bring in one of these bigger goalies with an attitude that can be had fairly cheap. Will do our room good.

(e) On defense, I think we are close to set. Schenider is problematic though, because I would love to have him on the roster. But no matter what, we can't only have Fox on the blueline that is really good at moving the puck. Lundkvist should get in there. I like Jones a lot too, but ultimately I think Nils bests these two. Keep Smith around, as a 7th D if nothing else.

One guy I really like and that I would make some calls on is Kaihden Guhle, who Montreal owns the rights to.

(f) The biggest difference personel wise that I would like to see is that we value giving out positions on the team more in terms of roles and what we need as a team. Out with guys that don't really contribute in any key area, and focus more on making players count in specific areas.

I think its really really important that we build a team with the right mentality, the right attitude. The kids needs vets to lead the way in this area. There should be zero room for players without (a) any kind of attitude or (b) any kind of ability to carry and make players around them better. I like Rooney, but 4th line wing, don't think its worth giving a role that can be populated with more of a attitude player. Gauthier should without any single doubt be gone. Heck, I wouldn't mind if we made a statement to him and Howden and just relieved them of their duties instantly. They have neglected their rights to dress up for this organization ever again.

(g) No matter what, I really would prefer to see the new GM bring in tougher players -- that are knocking on the door to the league, over vets a la Glass. In the right role with the right opportunity, these players can grow really well.

Why is Buch grouped with Kakko and Kravtsov? That makes no sense.

Buchnevich v Strome is a more likely decision that will be made. One or both will be gone. It’s cap hit as much as style.

How is Georgiev ‘inexperienced’ ? - Absolutely love his rebound from the mid-season issues. And love him going back at the POS DeAngelo. Definitely keeping Georgiev. Definitely.
 
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I just wonder what the price on Tkachuk would be for Calgary. There is just so much interesting dialogue around that team. Reminiscent of St. Louis before they rebounded and won that cup. The got a boost from Sutter and then same old same old. Chatter about the guys getting fed up with Tkachuk for always stirring shit up on the ice. Dragging his team into fights.

I said something similar about Avery the other day. He instantly raised the level of engagement when he arrived. I would be very concerned if I was Treliving. People mad about battling? But you can't trade 19 players.

We both need to alter our rosters. We've been circling each other for years.
 
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