Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXX: MOAR sandpaper, guts & glory?

[Oscar Lindberg]

Would take a shot on Carrick but would probably require them to waive JJ and I don’t see that happening

 

[Trxjw]

Maybe the front office is part of the problem in terms of the vets? I mean they identified who they wanted and either signed, traded for and/or extended them.

If we want to say the youth development is going okay, and the cheaper short term contracts are playing well, thus putting the blame on the vets who should be playing better, who are basically Panarin, Trouba, Kreider, Strome, Smith, J Johnson, shouldn't we question why those are the vets they picked?

Then we can ask about cap management, leaving Panarin out of it as he has been good and is now injured, they are spending around ~30M on those vets and another ~16M on buyouts and Deangelo. ~46M on stuff that is not helping anything.

Maybe that is why they will not change coaches, if things did not improve under whoever they picked next where does the speculation go to what is wrong with them?

I don't think there are any illusions among management regarding Johnson, Smith, and Strome. Smith and Johnson are fodder that are here to fill gaps in the lineup when the kids aren't playing well. Smith is a carry over they couldn't get rid of. Not some guy they hand-picked to lead the rebuild. Strome was a guy they got in exchange for a useless player and he happened to mesh well with their Hart-worthy investment. They tried hard in the off season to find an upgrade but were unsuccessful so they had to settle for a short term commitment to the guy who at least produced last season. All 3 of those guys are stop-gaps who will be gone in the next 18 months, if not sooner.

I also don't think they're really counting on those 3 as the key leaders. I think Trouba, Kreider, and Zib are the leadership core right now. I think Trouba has been fine this season and has helped the blue line mature into something competent, especially compared to last season. Kreider and Zib were almost universally viewed as potential captains for this team. So I can't exactly lay fault at the feet of management for believing they'd provide leadership to the team. I'm sure the Rangers are just as concerned about their current state of play as we are.

As for the buyouts, they really had no choice there. You can certainly question them going after Shattenkirk in the first place, but again, my own thoughts notwithstanding, that was something that was widely considered as a positive addition at the time.

 

[Daves a mess]

Oh Nils. Can you come out to playyyyyy???

 

[SRHRangers]

I'd prefer Raty and Johnson over Beniers

I don't know if I'd say Bergeron but Cirielli would make more sense. Which is great. I'd kill for Cirielli on this team... but I think we can get more from Raty and Johnson.

Well, wouldn't Cirelli right now be considered Poor Man's Bergeron?

I do like Johnson and would have no issue if we got him.

Raty is too much of a lottery ticket for me if we are in the top 5 again.

 

[duhmetreE]

The ADA things seems like an over-reaction now. A suspension would have been sufficient.

the fact that Gorton publicly stated 'ADA will not play another game as a Ranger' was dumb.... even if it was the case. Why announce it to other teams?

 

[kovazub94]

The biggest blow to the team was Chytil’s injury coupled with Zibanejad’s post-covid performance. Both things is in the realm of “can’t be anticipated”.

Strome without Panarin is a very adequate 3rd line center and it’s not his fault Panarin and Chytil are injured and Zibanejad has been MIA. Howden is ok playing on the 4th line.

Kreider had to be healthy scratched yesterday (he deserves public stripping of the A off his jersey).

 

[Kords]

Like that 3rd line, all things considered.

 

[Trxjw]

You’ve seen from my post that I’m far from Quinn’s hater and have been preaching patience instead of reacting to early season’s vows. I also completely agree that Quinn has done quite well as a developmental coach. However he can’t ONLY be judged from this perspective if the management has longer terms plans for him. Injuries and all, at this point I’m really disappointed with how team plays against weaker team in the division and if we were to argue that it’s a on players (vets) then no consequences afterwards is worrisome. My biggest issue is really with Kreider as a player and Quinn’s no action in this regard. At this point benching Kreider during a game and making him a healthy scratch afterwards has been long overdue.

I don't think they do have longer term plans for him. It feels like a situation where all parties involved know why he's here. I think once this team looks poised for a run, they'll be heading into the end of Quinn's contract ant they'll probably bring in someone new.

Benching someone like Kreider or Zibanejad is a big step. I trust that Quinn has his finger on the pulse and will do that if he feels it was necessary.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I would say the front office knew this type of season was a possibility, they were just hoping it wouldn’t happen

They brought back largely the same team and the guys they didn’t bring back made the team weaker. Factor in the age of a lot of the roster and injuries, and it’s a tough obstacle to overcome

They gambled with the roster for this year (which in the scheme of things is fine) and it’s largely blown up in their face thus far

 

[duhmetreE]

Soooooo, who does KAM play with now? Smith? Hajek?

things are about to get ugly.

 

[Daves a mess]

Wonder if Darren Raddyish gets a look/see.

Any other right handed D men better than him being paid by the Rangers?

I missing someone I know it.
Oh wait.

 

[duhmetreE]

Like that 3rd line, all things considered.

I guarantee you Laf scores a goal if that line stays together.

Seeing Johnson rotate in with Miller makes me cringe

 

[kovazub94]

You're right, I mixed his up wit Mika's, I think Buch is $3.25M? So what would you put Buch at on a new deal next offseason?

It’s tough to say with so many variables including covid impact on the cap. On the long term deal it will probably has to start with a $5.xx and the question is whether it’s closer to $6.0 or $5.0.

 

[Kords]

I guarantee you Laf scores a goal if that line stays together.

Seeing Johnson rotate in with Miller makes me cringe

Yeah, threw up in my mouth a lil when I read that too...

 

[Kovalev27]

4-6 weeks is a broken hand or something like that for trouba. Brutal

Jeff Gorton has Brendan Smith Libor Hajek Ryan Lindgren a kid in KAndre they loved over the summer break and Tarmo for the left side.

they chose to sign Bitetto and Johnson for some reason and decided not to sign one right handed dman knowing all you had was 8 23 and a volatile 77 who clearly was getting close to last straw status. They had dealt away keane and failed to sign lundkvist. So one injury to the right side would be tough to overcome. Two guys out? You’re screwed and here we are.

 

[JayAB81]

Buch’s cap hit (AAV) is not $5.35

Also please bare with me, I am a long life Rangers fan, loved them as a kid, but eventually got away from Hockey, had a hard time understanding the game, finally got back into it the year we had & trade Zucarello & Hayes, I got back in cause I decided to try that years EA's NHL game, I became hooked, It used to be for me ranking wise in order.

1. NFL (49ers)
2. NBA (Rockets)
3. NCAAF (Notre Dame)
4. NCAAB (Notre Dame)
5. MLB (Yankees)
6. NHL (Rangers)

But after the past couple seasons, my love for Hockey has gone up to the 2nd spot, it would go NFL, NHL, NBA, NCAAF, NCAAB, & MLB(I've lost interest in it). The reason for the NFL is I track the 49ers cap numbers, actually have real NFL sources who give me contract numbers, I've broken several contract news breakdowns, was mentioned by local beat writer Matt Maiocco. I've been doing it since 2005, so I've now begun to try and understand the NHL cap, I think I'm getting there. Also for the NFL, I was always up to date on the draft prospects, still am, kinda, used to have a website, but too much to take on, and now I'm trying to get to know upcoming NHL draft prospects.

 

[duhmetreE]

4-6 weeks is a broken hand or something like that for trouba. Brutal

Jeff Gorton has Brendan Smith Libor Hajek Ryan Lindgren a kid in KAndre they loved over the summer break and Tarmo for the left side.

they chose to sign Bitetto and Johnson for some reason and decided not to sign one right handed dman knowing all you had was 8 23 and a volatile 77 who clearly was getting close to last straw status. They had dealt away keane and failed to sign lundkvist. So one injury to the right side would be tough to overcome. Two guys out? You’re screwed and here we are.

they figured they had 4RHD with Trouba, Fox, ADA and Smith.

Goes to show you how quick things can change.

 

[JayAB81]

It’s tough to say with so many variables including covid impact on the cap. On the long term deal it will probably has to start with a $5.xx and the question is whether it’s closer to $6.0 or $5.0.

Thanks for the quick response, I'm new to the NHL Salary Cap, as I stated in my new post I posted a minute ago, so I'm trying to figure where guys fit AAV wise.

 

[RGY]

Like that 3rd line, all things considered.

Oh nice Gauthier is now likely back to being scratched. Awesome DQ, awesome.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't think they do have longer term plans for him. It feels like a situation where all parties involved know why he's here. I think once this team looks poised for a run, they'll be heading into the end of Quinn's contract ant they'll probably bring in someone new.

Benching someone like Kreider or Zibanejad is a big step. I trust that Quinn has his finger on the pulse and will do that if he feels it was necessary.

There’s a difference between benching Zibanejad (with no Chytil) and Kreider (decent depth on wings).

Otherwise I disagree about Quinn. There’s a difference between bringing him in because of a factor like his reputation for development but not EXPECTING that he’d be able to develop as well to be the head coach of a contender. This is his 3rd season coaching this team and Kreider as a player so if he’s “afraid” to bench Kreider at this point - it’s a good enough reason to start looking for replacement because not making a move has been detrimental to the team and specifically could be detrimental to the development of youngsters.

 

[Avery16]

I saw that too and thought maybe ....8 million cap space so 1.5 ufa isn’t a big deal and he’s a righty shot

could maybe trade for a D with a pick added now though

Ugh who gave Carrick 1.5?? Ah, the Devils.

 

[Avery16]

So Trouba goes on the LTIR and we get 8 million in cap room now, right?

 

[kovazub94]

Also please bare with me, I am a long life Rangers fan, loved them as a kid, but eventually got away from Hockey, had a hard time understanding the game, finally got back into it the year we had & trade Zucarello & Hayes, I got back in cause I decided to try that years EA's NHL game, I became hooked, It used to be for me ranking wise in order.

1. NFL (49ers)
2. NBA (Rockets)
3. NCAAF (Notre Dame)
4. NCAAB (Notre Dame)
5. MLB (Yankees)
6. NHL (Rangers)

But after the past couple seasons, my love for Hockey has gone up to the 2nd spot, it would go NFL, NHL, NBA, NCAAF, NCAAB, & MLB(I've lost interest in it). The reason for the NFL is I track the 49ers cap numbers, actually have real NFL sources who give me contract numbers, I've broken several contract news breakdowns, was mentioned by local beat writer Matt Maiocco. I've been doing it since 2005, so I've now begun to try and understand the NHL cap, I think I'm getting there. Also for the NFL, I was always up to date on the draft prospects, still am, kinda, used to have a website, but too much to take on, and now I'm trying to get to know upcoming NHL draft prospects.

Hey, I see you’re putting an admirable effort here and I love posters like this so just keep it up!
I actually got away by and large from following all other sports but hockey and golf.

 

[cheech70]

This season is like my golf game..high hopes on the range then the spiral of darkness. Need to regroup. Pluses are K2,Filip,K'Andre,Gauthier and I'm liking Hayek. Our High 1st for this year along with an excess LD and maybe Mika for the stud 1C. Keep Quinn to continue downward slide in standings. Cap space and further development of our young core still make the near future positive. Keep Buch,sign Lindgren long term ahead of UFA. When Filip comes back go with 13-72-24 as future 1st line. Dump 16,21 and 40. Then move to the other side of the garden and enjoy Quickley and a real coach. Salute a Tutti e Bon Appetite.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The biggest blow to the team was Chytil’s injury coupled with Zibanejad’s post-covid performance. Both things is in the realm of “can’t be anticipated”.

Strome without Panarin is a very adequate 3rd line center and it’s not his fault Panarin and Chytil are injured and Zibanejad has been MIA. Howden is ok playing on the 4th line.

Kreider had to be healthy scratched yesterday (he deserves public stripping of the A off his jersey).

Kreider has been horrendous. At least Mika has had a little bit of effort recently. Kreider, I don't even know what he does anymore. Trying to come off as some leader in press conferences. He was killing it to get his contract and now he's MIA, but he can sure talk for a few minutes about how bad they are in post game press conferences.