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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXX: MOAR sandpaper, guts & glory?

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Mikachu93 said:
That part still isn't lost on me. I'm not expecting peanuts back for Tony. Salary in your deal checks out, I just think we are setting up ourselves for disappointment if we think we are going to get multiple pieces that play in our lineup right away for DeAngelo without attaching someone else to him.
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Ours is a story of perpetual disappointment now
 
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QJL said:
Here are my player grades relative to expectations. This is probably the worst it’s been through a quarter season in a long time. Playing to expectation is a B grade.

Miller A+
Fox A-
Buchnevich A-
Chytil B+
Blackwell B+
Panarin B
Kakko B
Lindgren B
Rooney B
Di Giuseppe B
Bitetto B
Hajek B
Shesterkin B-
Gauthier B-
Lemieux B-
Trouba C+
Howden C+
Strome C+
Johnson C+
Smith C+
Georgiev C
Lafreniere C-
Kreider D
Zibanejad F

There are simply too many important players below expectation right now.
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Pretty much. I’d only upgrade Fox to solid A and Shesterkin to at least a solid B if not B+. Kreider should be switched with Zibanejad on their D and F.
 
Calad said:
Take away NJs Hart winner and you got a lottery team (that won Jack Hughes)
Take away our Hart finalist and you got what we had last night.

So many of yall have to seriously temper your expectations. This team isn't going anywhere this year.

Last year we had some serious luck with injuries/health. Not so much this year.
Last year we had a decent shot at a wildcard spot with how hot the team was. This year we're in the murder division of death.
Both last year and this year the team has tons of dead cap space and as such is completely bereft of depth, its just more glaring now that we aren't so lucky with injuries.
Last year we had the 2nd youngest roster, and that was with Hank and Staal still on the team. We have the actual youngest roster in the league this season, with by far the least amount of games played . Next year we will get even younger.
Expecting Laf (and last year Kakko) to come into the league and blow the doors off is and was unreasonable. Placing the blame on Quinn for teenagers not being world beaters is hilarious.
Not to mention all of the kids that have blossomed over the past 3 years or made a mostly seamless transition into the league. Zibanejad, Chytil, Buchnevich, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Kakko (literally night and day comparing last year to this one), hell even TDA (on the ice) is a way better player than when he got here 3 years ago. Does Quinn get and credit for those successes, or is he just responsible for the failures thus far?

As has been the plan ALL ALONG.. once the expansion draft comes and goes and the cap opens up wide is when the team should be turning a corner. Any success that comes in the meantime is gravy. A rebuild doesn't end because we had 1 good half season.
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Couldn't agree more. The taste of success last season combined with general society's need for immediate satisfaction has fostered some unrealistic expectations for this year among our fanbase. I'm not telling people they can't be frustrated. But you should also recognize the reality of the situation. I won't repeat it because your post summed it up perfectly, but this is the challenging phase of a rebuild. You've shipped out the vets, added top prospects, and now have a semblance of a core to move forward with.

Problem is, this is still the best league in the world and most of the top teams have players who know how to win hockey games at this level. We don't have that yet. Add that on top of a severe goal scoring drought and playing against 7 other teams who are either in win-now mode or ahead of our rebuild and you get this result. It's not an excuse as much as it is reality...
 
NYR Viper said:
I'm honestly more intrigued by a trade of Buchnevich to see what can be had there than anything else right now. Teams like Edmonton will be looking for secondary scoring help
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They could use him and he might be a fit but what would u take back from Them?
 
Trxjw said:
I think it's just typical response from the fan base. They want blood after a poor start and Quinn is the easiest person to point to. Management is worried about the next 10 years, not the next 10 days. They look at this team and see significant improvement in the play of their young players -- almost to a man. They see some of the role players they brought in stepping up in a big way and playing with energy and pace. They see a massive improvement in their defensive scheme after bringing in a new assistant coach. So the things they did in the off-season to help improve the team are working and they're likely pretty darn satisfied with that.

On the flip side, they also see a team that just went through some significant locker room turmoil. So they probably want to give the players and coaches some time to put that behind them. Additionally, they see that some of their key veteran leaders are failing to come through. They're probably WAY more focused on the long term prospects of Zibanejad and Kreider than they are Quinn.

Quinn was brought in to be a developmental coach and the players are developing. He's really not the problem here. The veteran players who are supposed to be leading the team not showing up? That's a big problem right now. Will it be a problem long term? That's for the front office to decide on.
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You’ve seen from my post that I’m far from Quinn’s hater and have been preaching patience instead of reacting to early season’s vows. I also completely agree that Quinn has done quite well as a developmental coach. However he can’t ONLY be judged from this perspective if the management has longer terms plans for him. Injuries and all, at this point I’m really disappointed with how team plays against weaker team in the division and if we were to argue that it’s a on players (vets) then no consequences afterwards is worrisome. My biggest issue is really with Kreider as a player and Quinn’s no action in this regard. At this point benching Kreider during a game and making him a healthy scratch afterwards has been long overdue.
 
duhmetreE said:
Beniers looks like a poor mans Hughes. or am I wrong?

I 'll 100% take Raty.

Raty Kakko

how can you not want that
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With how I saw Beniers and his defensive responsibility in WJC,

I'll say poor man's Bergeron before Hughes.
 
I Eat Crow said:
You're way overestimating what Buchnevich and Chytil will get on their next contracts. The Rangers also will not trade Deangelo with half his cap hit retained unless they get a useful asset in return. They'll just buy him out this summer if not.
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What do you think Buch & Chytil could command? Buch is making $5.35M right now AAV wise, and he's been playing really well, would he take that amount? As for Chytil, yeah Idk what his numbers would look like, the Rangers have the advantage as he's not Arbitration eligible, I don't think anyway. You're probably right about DeAngelo, I just went with the scenario where they retain 50%, and yes they should get a good asset or two.
 
The draft is really gonna be a crapshoot this year with the lack of games played and development.
 
SRHRangers said:
With how I saw Beniers and his defensive responsibility in WJC,

I'll say poor man's Bergeron before Hughes.
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I'd prefer Raty and Johnson over Beniers

I don't know if I'd say Bergeron but Cirielli would make more sense. Which is great. I'd kill for Cirielli on this team... but I think we can get more from Raty and Johnson.
 
JayAB81 said:
What do you think Buch & Chytil could command? Buch is making $5.35M right now AAV wise, and he's been playing really well, would he take that amount? As for Chytil, yeah Idk what his numbers would look like, the Rangers have the advantage as he's not Arbitration eligible, I don't think anyway. You're probably right about DeAngelo, I just went with the scenario where they retain 50%, and yes they should get a good asset or two.
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Buch’s cap hit (AAV) is not $5.35
 
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QJL said:
Here are my player grades relative to expectations. This is probably the worst it’s been through a quarter season in a long time. Playing to expectation is a B grade.

Miller A+
Fox A-
Buchnevich A-
Chytil B+
Blackwell B+
Panarin B
Kakko B
Lindgren B
Rooney B
Di Giuseppe B
Bitetto B
Hajek B
Shesterkin B-
Gauthier B-
Lemieux B-
Trouba C+
Howden C+
Strome C+
Johnson C+
Smith C+
Georgiev C
Lafreniere C-
Kreider D
Zibanejad F

There are simply too many important players below expectation right now.
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Agreed on Jack Johnson, Brendan Smith, Chris Howden, Alexandar Georgiev, I think it's a bit harsh on Alexis Lafreniere, the pressure of being the #1 pick, a teenager, in NYC, that could be on his mind. As for Kreider, yeah his 5 minutes for fighting was a bad look, but early on he has been a good offensive player. I like Trouba, you're probably right though. Mika yeah, Idk what's his issue, makes no sense, he's a consistent guy, Idk his exact stats, but he's always among the leaders on points in the NHL, and Goals for the Rangers. I just hope Trouba, Kreider, & Mike bounce back, same with Georgiev. Johnson & Smith shouldn't be on the team, I'd rather play Bitetto & Hajek, not having K'Andre hurt in the game last night IMO.
 
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