That because the Boston guys stick together. Gorton and Quinn are thick as thieves. I’m so tired of Quinn and kreiders post game platitudes. We have to play for 60 min, their team and goalie was better, we need to put fourth a better effort, etc. it’s the coaches job to get the team ready, and the players job to perform. I’m so tired of this. If the team isn’t ready, fire the man, if the players aren’t performing, bench them, or maybe it’s time for a trade. ? It’s the same shit over and over again, it makes me sick
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Every passing game I have less and less faith in management
I think the 20-24 game mark is where you really hit a good sample size with this roster to start making some go forward decisions. Early season optimism aside, I did not expect a playoff team, usually teams this young are almost always a lock for the lottery.
Given how the cap space is hedged this year, a couple of trades could help the cause for next year, even if it’s an unpopular move. There is that open D slot unless a guy makes himself invaluable.
Given how the cap space is hedged this year, a couple of trades could help the cause for next year, even if it’s an unpopular move. There is that open D slot unless a guy makes himself invaluable.
Looked at some very interesting numbers. Really don’t want to get into it in detail but I do think that somewhere along the ways when Ruff left something got lost in the bench management duties.
The way things are going, it’s a solid bet that this team doesn’t score three goals.
Was there some sort of elixir during game 2? The masks obviously prevent lip reading... but there’s a very interesting analysis that well... I’m not posting this publicly, another one where you can make some rock solid bets.
Rock. Solid. Big thanks to Gary and nhl.com. Appreciate you stepping up your game and investing in data. Whole new way to see the game... and measure and predict value. Seriously way to step up, the quality is much more reliable. Way to boys.
The way things are going, it’s a solid bet that this team doesn’t score three goals.
Was there some sort of elixir during game 2? The masks obviously prevent lip reading... but there’s a very interesting analysis that well... I’m not posting this publicly, another one where you can make some rock solid bets.
Rock. Solid. Big thanks to Gary and nhl.com. Appreciate you stepping up your game and investing in data. Whole new way to see the game... and measure and predict value. Seriously way to step up, the quality is much more reliable. Way to boys.
Ideal 2021-2022 New York Rangers Roster:
LW 20 Chris Kreider(2026-2027, UFA) - $6,500,000
LW 10 Artemi Panarin(2025-2026, UFA) - $11,642,857
LW 13 Alexis Lafreniere(2022-2023, RFA) - $925,000 ($2,850,000 Performance Bonus)
LW 48 Brendan Lemieux(2021-2022, RFA) - $1,550,000
C 93 Mike Zibanejad(2021-2022, UFA) - $5,350,000
C 16 Ryan Strome(2021-2022, UFA) - $4,500,000
C 72 Filip Chytil(2020-2021, RFA) - RFA
C 21 Brett Howden(2020-2021, RFA) – RFA
RW 89 Pavel Buchnevich(2020-2021, RFA) – RFA
RW 24 Kaapo Kakko(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000 ($2,650,000 Performance Bonus)
RW 12 Julien Gauthier(2020-2021, RFA) - RFA
RW 74 Vitali Kravtsov(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000 ($850,000 Performance Bonus)
RW 43 Colin Blackwell (2021-2022 UFA) - $725,000
LD 55 Ryan Lindgren(2020-2021, RFA) – RFA
LD 79 K’Andre Miller(2022-2023, RFA) - $925,000 ($350,000 Performance Bonus)
LD 57 Yegor Rykov(2020-2021, RFA) - RFA
LD 51 Tarmo Reunanen(2021-2022, RFA) - $809,167 ($82,500 Performance Bonus)
RD 23 Adam Fox(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000 ($850,000 Performance Bonus)
RD 8 Jacob Trouba(2025-2026, UFA) – $8,000,000
RD 64 Nils Lundkvist(2022-2023, RFA) - $925,000 (Probably gets either $2,850,000 or $2,650,000 since he was a First-Round pick, correct if my numbers could be wrong)
RD 25 Libor Hajek(2020-2021, RFA) - RFA
G 31 Igor Shesterkin(2020-2021, RFA) – RFA
G 40 Alexandar Georgiev(2021-2022, RFA) - $2,425,000
14/23 players are signed for 2021-2022, total of $46,127,024, plus 1 unsigned pick I project to sign, total is now $47,052,024, plus $4,044,444 in dead money, that’s a total of $51,096,468 counting against the cap, plus potential performance bonuses total of $9,632,500, which is $3,520,000 more than allowed($6,112,500 on a flat $81.5 million cap), so that brings this team up to $54,616,468 in cap commitments for the above 15 players(includes Nils Lundkvist’s contract), leaving the team with $26,883,532, but it could be lower, as Tony DeAngelo is still on the team, making $4,800,000, despite the Rangers saying he won’t play again for the Rangers, as they look for a new home for DeAngelo, so for the sake of things, let’s say the Rangers retain the maximum, 50%, so that’s $2,400,000 less in cap room, bringing the teams cap room down to $24,483,532 to sign their RFAs(Buchnevich, Chytil, Gauthier, Howden, Lindgren, & Shesterkin) to new deals.
So, how much should these guys get from the Rangers on multi-year deals? Well, to me, I think Buchnevich would be fair value at $6,500,000, same as Chris Kreider’s deal, as for Ryan Lindgren, I could see him getting $5,000,000 on a multi-year deal, it’s comparable to Toronto Maple Leafs Morgan Rielly’s $5,000,000 AAV, while Shesterkin should get a multi-year deal, in the range of $5,000,000 a year, I’m comparing Igor to Vegas Golden Knights’s Robin Lehner’s deal at $5,000,000 AAV.
If these are the numbers, that adds up to $16,500,000, which would leave the Rangers with $7,983,532 in cap room, of course I could be off on some of those 3 deals, they could come in low, Buchnevich is making $3,250,000 this season, and he’s been one of the best offensive players for the Rangers thus far. Maybe Lindgren can be had some a bit lower, maybe $2,500,000 to $3,000,000 on a 2-year deal, while Buch & Igor could or should be longer deals.
I’m honestly not sure what Filip Chytil could command, he was off to a great start before his injury, hopefully he comes back strong, which could make Ryan Strome expendable, since he makes $4,500,000, which we could use on Chytil, plus if we do draft a Center prospect in the First-Round of the 2021 draft, that makes Strome even more expendable. But to be conservative, let’s say Chytil gets a 2-year deal, worth $4,000,000 AAV, that puts the Rangers cap room down to $3,983,532, with just Howden, Gauthier, Rykov, & Hajek left to be re-signed, of course I’m not factoring in the Seattle expansion draft, and who the Rangers could/would lose. They could hold onto DeAngelo, and expose him along with Anthony Bitetto, while protecting Trouba, and Lindgren. They could protect another defenseman, but they could opt for 7 total skaters, so Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Buch, Chytil, & Lemieux look like good bets to be protected, leaving Howden, Strome, & Gauthier left if they want to protect 7 Forwards, 3 Defensemen, & 1 Goalie, which will of course be Georgiev.
As for players like Howden, Gauthier, Rykov, & Hajek, they’d likely be looking at low deals, if we divide the $3,983,532 by 4, that’s $995,883 each, of course that won’t be the numbers, but of course for all 4 players, they need to be given qualifying offers that are 105% of their previous salary, which would be $874,125 for all 4, that’s a total of $3,496,500, which is $487,032 less than the cap room I have above. Only Rykov is arbitration eligible of those 4 RFAs.
As for players currently in the minors, juniors, or on loan, the following are RFAs after 2020-2021.
LW 26 Tim Gettinger – Would be $735,000 QO-
C 34 Patrick Newell – Would be $735,000 QO-
C 37 Gabriel Fontaine - Would be $735,000 QO-
RW 59 Ty Ronning – Would be $735,000 QO-
LD 46 Brandon Crawley – Would be $735,000 QO-
RD 44 Darren Raddysh – Would be $735,000 QO-
G 32 Adam Huska – Would be $874,125 QO-
Of those players, only Raddysh is arbitration eligible, and I think RFAs can sign for less than their qualifying offer, as Crawley’s 2019-2020 salary was $770,000, he did have $85,000 in signing bonuses, so for the calculation it would have been $685,000, so 105% of that is $719,250, so I’m assuming players can sign for the $700,000 like Crawley did.
Now, I know most fans a big upgrade at the Center position, someone like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is a UFA, while someone like Jack Eichel & Alexandar Barkov are intriguing, but would take a massive amount of picks, and prospects, I hate the idea of trading guys like K’Andre, Nils, Krav, Alexis, Kakko, Fox, Lindgren, and I really hope we keep Mika after 2021-2022, but not sure our cap could withstand two highly paid Centers, if the deals I mentioned here were done, the Rangers would have $51,962,301 in committed salaries, between Panarin, Trouba, Kreider, Alexis, K’Andre, Buch, Nils, Chytil, Lindgren, & Shesterkin, plus dead money. If the cap was flat again at $81.5M, the Rangers would have $29,537,699 in cap room, with the following free agents.
Mika Zibanejad – UFA
Alexandar Georgiev – RFA
Brendan Lemieux – RFA
Kaapo Kakko – RFA
Adam Fox – RFA
Vitali Kravtsov – RFA
Tarmo Reunanen - RFA
Plus Chris Howden, Julien Gauthier, Libor Hajek, & Yegor Rykov as RFAs again, I think, if they don’t sign for longer than 1-year.
Obviously the 2022-2023 offseason doesn’t look terrible once they lock up Igor, Buch, Lindgren, & Chytil, but still need to get Mika signed, Fox as well, hope Kakko & Krav have produced enough, while I imagine deals for Reunanen & Lemieux wouldn’t be to expensive. Unsure of Georgiev, they could just trade him, since they have other Goalies in the system like Tyler Wall, Adam Huska, & Dylan Garand.
The Rangers have 21 unsigned draft picks, they are below.
LW --- Will Cuylle
LW --- Brett Berard
LW 83 Leevi Altonen
C 84 Adam Edstrom
C 70 Karl Henrikkson
C --- Oliver Tarnstrom
C --- Matthew Rempe
C --- Evan Vierling
RW 56 Lauri Pajuniemi
RW 52 Eric Ciccolini
RW 67 Riley Hughes
LD 83 Calle Sjalin
LD 91 Jacob Ragnarsson
LD 86 Zachary Jones
LD 54 Simon Kjellberg
RD 64 Nils Lundkvist
RD --- Braden Schneider
RD 53 Hunter Skinner
G --- Dylan Garand
G 60 Olof Lindbom
G --- Hugo Ollas
Of these 21 players, Calle Sjalin, & Hunter Skinner need to be signed by June 1, 2021 for the Rangers to retain their rights.
It should be a safe bet that Braden Schneider & Will Cuylle sign ELCs, same with Lauri Pajuniemi.
The other Rangers players signed for 2021-2022 are below.
C 47 Morgan Barron(2023-2023, RFA) - $925,000
C 82 Patrick Khodorenko(2022-2023, RFA) - $925,000
C 90 Justin Richards(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000
RW 28 Anthony Greco(2021-2022, UFA) - $737,500
RW 85 Austin Rueschhoff(2021-2022, UFA) - $842,500
RW 63 Jacob Elmer(2021-2022, RFA) - $809,166
RW 17 Kevin Rooney(2021-2022, UFA) - $750,000
RW 28 Anthony Greco(2021-2022, UFA) - $737,500
LD 22 Anthony Bitetto(2021-2022, UFA) - $737,500
LD 97 Matthew Robertson(2022-2023, RFA) - $811,667)
G 80 Tyler Wall(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000
G 71 Keith Kinkaid(2021-2022, UFA) - $825,000
So, if the Rangers re-sign their own free agents, plus sign the draft picks to ELCs, they’d have 47 players signed(48 if DeAngelo isn’t gone by then, but still 47 since 1 Ranger will be selected in the expansion draft), that would leave 3 open roster spots for Standard Player Contracts, possibly our 2021 First-Rounder, especially if he’s a Center, top Center like Matthew Beniers, Kent Johnson, Cole Sillinger, or Aatu Raty(I went off of 2021 NHL Mock Draft | Lines.com, where they have these guys listed as Center’s going in the 1st-round. I’m not sure if Dylan Guenther, William Eklund, or Zachary L’Heureux play Center, they’re listed as Wingers.
LW 20 Chris Kreider(2026-2027, UFA) - $6,500,000
LW 10 Artemi Panarin(2025-2026, UFA) - $11,642,857
LW 13 Alexis Lafreniere(2022-2023, RFA) - $925,000 ($2,850,000 Performance Bonus)
LW 48 Brendan Lemieux(2021-2022, RFA) - $1,550,000
C 93 Mike Zibanejad(2021-2022, UFA) - $5,350,000
C 16 Ryan Strome(2021-2022, UFA) - $4,500,000
C 72 Filip Chytil(2020-2021, RFA) - RFA
C 21 Brett Howden(2020-2021, RFA) – RFA
RW 89 Pavel Buchnevich(2020-2021, RFA) – RFA
RW 24 Kaapo Kakko(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000 ($2,650,000 Performance Bonus)
RW 12 Julien Gauthier(2020-2021, RFA) - RFA
RW 74 Vitali Kravtsov(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000 ($850,000 Performance Bonus)
RW 43 Colin Blackwell (2021-2022 UFA) - $725,000
LD 55 Ryan Lindgren(2020-2021, RFA) – RFA
LD 79 K’Andre Miller(2022-2023, RFA) - $925,000 ($350,000 Performance Bonus)
LD 57 Yegor Rykov(2020-2021, RFA) - RFA
LD 51 Tarmo Reunanen(2021-2022, RFA) - $809,167 ($82,500 Performance Bonus)
RD 23 Adam Fox(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000 ($850,000 Performance Bonus)
RD 8 Jacob Trouba(2025-2026, UFA) – $8,000,000
RD 64 Nils Lundkvist(2022-2023, RFA) - $925,000 (Probably gets either $2,850,000 or $2,650,000 since he was a First-Round pick, correct if my numbers could be wrong)
RD 25 Libor Hajek(2020-2021, RFA) - RFA
G 31 Igor Shesterkin(2020-2021, RFA) – RFA
G 40 Alexandar Georgiev(2021-2022, RFA) - $2,425,000
14/23 players are signed for 2021-2022, total of $46,127,024, plus 1 unsigned pick I project to sign, total is now $47,052,024, plus $4,044,444 in dead money, that’s a total of $51,096,468 counting against the cap, plus potential performance bonuses total of $9,632,500, which is $3,520,000 more than allowed($6,112,500 on a flat $81.5 million cap), so that brings this team up to $54,616,468 in cap commitments for the above 15 players(includes Nils Lundkvist’s contract), leaving the team with $26,883,532, but it could be lower, as Tony DeAngelo is still on the team, making $4,800,000, despite the Rangers saying he won’t play again for the Rangers, as they look for a new home for DeAngelo, so for the sake of things, let’s say the Rangers retain the maximum, 50%, so that’s $2,400,000 less in cap room, bringing the teams cap room down to $24,483,532 to sign their RFAs(Buchnevich, Chytil, Gauthier, Howden, Lindgren, & Shesterkin) to new deals.
So, how much should these guys get from the Rangers on multi-year deals? Well, to me, I think Buchnevich would be fair value at $6,500,000, same as Chris Kreider’s deal, as for Ryan Lindgren, I could see him getting $5,000,000 on a multi-year deal, it’s comparable to Toronto Maple Leafs Morgan Rielly’s $5,000,000 AAV, while Shesterkin should get a multi-year deal, in the range of $5,000,000 a year, I’m comparing Igor to Vegas Golden Knights’s Robin Lehner’s deal at $5,000,000 AAV.
If these are the numbers, that adds up to $16,500,000, which would leave the Rangers with $7,983,532 in cap room, of course I could be off on some of those 3 deals, they could come in low, Buchnevich is making $3,250,000 this season, and he’s been one of the best offensive players for the Rangers thus far. Maybe Lindgren can be had some a bit lower, maybe $2,500,000 to $3,000,000 on a 2-year deal, while Buch & Igor could or should be longer deals.
I’m honestly not sure what Filip Chytil could command, he was off to a great start before his injury, hopefully he comes back strong, which could make Ryan Strome expendable, since he makes $4,500,000, which we could use on Chytil, plus if we do draft a Center prospect in the First-Round of the 2021 draft, that makes Strome even more expendable. But to be conservative, let’s say Chytil gets a 2-year deal, worth $4,000,000 AAV, that puts the Rangers cap room down to $3,983,532, with just Howden, Gauthier, Rykov, & Hajek left to be re-signed, of course I’m not factoring in the Seattle expansion draft, and who the Rangers could/would lose. They could hold onto DeAngelo, and expose him along with Anthony Bitetto, while protecting Trouba, and Lindgren. They could protect another defenseman, but they could opt for 7 total skaters, so Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Buch, Chytil, & Lemieux look like good bets to be protected, leaving Howden, Strome, & Gauthier left if they want to protect 7 Forwards, 3 Defensemen, & 1 Goalie, which will of course be Georgiev.
As for players like Howden, Gauthier, Rykov, & Hajek, they’d likely be looking at low deals, if we divide the $3,983,532 by 4, that’s $995,883 each, of course that won’t be the numbers, but of course for all 4 players, they need to be given qualifying offers that are 105% of their previous salary, which would be $874,125 for all 4, that’s a total of $3,496,500, which is $487,032 less than the cap room I have above. Only Rykov is arbitration eligible of those 4 RFAs.
As for players currently in the minors, juniors, or on loan, the following are RFAs after 2020-2021.
LW 26 Tim Gettinger – Would be $735,000 QO-
C 34 Patrick Newell – Would be $735,000 QO-
C 37 Gabriel Fontaine - Would be $735,000 QO-
RW 59 Ty Ronning – Would be $735,000 QO-
LD 46 Brandon Crawley – Would be $735,000 QO-
RD 44 Darren Raddysh – Would be $735,000 QO-
G 32 Adam Huska – Would be $874,125 QO-
Of those players, only Raddysh is arbitration eligible, and I think RFAs can sign for less than their qualifying offer, as Crawley’s 2019-2020 salary was $770,000, he did have $85,000 in signing bonuses, so for the calculation it would have been $685,000, so 105% of that is $719,250, so I’m assuming players can sign for the $700,000 like Crawley did.
Now, I know most fans a big upgrade at the Center position, someone like Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is a UFA, while someone like Jack Eichel & Alexandar Barkov are intriguing, but would take a massive amount of picks, and prospects, I hate the idea of trading guys like K’Andre, Nils, Krav, Alexis, Kakko, Fox, Lindgren, and I really hope we keep Mika after 2021-2022, but not sure our cap could withstand two highly paid Centers, if the deals I mentioned here were done, the Rangers would have $51,962,301 in committed salaries, between Panarin, Trouba, Kreider, Alexis, K’Andre, Buch, Nils, Chytil, Lindgren, & Shesterkin, plus dead money. If the cap was flat again at $81.5M, the Rangers would have $29,537,699 in cap room, with the following free agents.
Mika Zibanejad – UFA
Alexandar Georgiev – RFA
Brendan Lemieux – RFA
Kaapo Kakko – RFA
Adam Fox – RFA
Vitali Kravtsov – RFA
Tarmo Reunanen - RFA
Plus Chris Howden, Julien Gauthier, Libor Hajek, & Yegor Rykov as RFAs again, I think, if they don’t sign for longer than 1-year.
Obviously the 2022-2023 offseason doesn’t look terrible once they lock up Igor, Buch, Lindgren, & Chytil, but still need to get Mika signed, Fox as well, hope Kakko & Krav have produced enough, while I imagine deals for Reunanen & Lemieux wouldn’t be to expensive. Unsure of Georgiev, they could just trade him, since they have other Goalies in the system like Tyler Wall, Adam Huska, & Dylan Garand.
The Rangers have 21 unsigned draft picks, they are below.
LW --- Will Cuylle
LW --- Brett Berard
LW 83 Leevi Altonen
C 84 Adam Edstrom
C 70 Karl Henrikkson
C --- Oliver Tarnstrom
C --- Matthew Rempe
C --- Evan Vierling
RW 56 Lauri Pajuniemi
RW 52 Eric Ciccolini
RW 67 Riley Hughes
LD 83 Calle Sjalin
LD 91 Jacob Ragnarsson
LD 86 Zachary Jones
LD 54 Simon Kjellberg
RD 64 Nils Lundkvist
RD --- Braden Schneider
RD 53 Hunter Skinner
G --- Dylan Garand
G 60 Olof Lindbom
G --- Hugo Ollas
Of these 21 players, Calle Sjalin, & Hunter Skinner need to be signed by June 1, 2021 for the Rangers to retain their rights.
It should be a safe bet that Braden Schneider & Will Cuylle sign ELCs, same with Lauri Pajuniemi.
The other Rangers players signed for 2021-2022 are below.
C 47 Morgan Barron(2023-2023, RFA) - $925,000
C 82 Patrick Khodorenko(2022-2023, RFA) - $925,000
C 90 Justin Richards(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000
RW 28 Anthony Greco(2021-2022, UFA) - $737,500
RW 85 Austin Rueschhoff(2021-2022, UFA) - $842,500
RW 63 Jacob Elmer(2021-2022, RFA) - $809,166
RW 17 Kevin Rooney(2021-2022, UFA) - $750,000
RW 28 Anthony Greco(2021-2022, UFA) - $737,500
LD 22 Anthony Bitetto(2021-2022, UFA) - $737,500
LD 97 Matthew Robertson(2022-2023, RFA) - $811,667)
G 80 Tyler Wall(2021-2022, RFA) - $925,000
G 71 Keith Kinkaid(2021-2022, UFA) - $825,000
So, if the Rangers re-sign their own free agents, plus sign the draft picks to ELCs, they’d have 47 players signed(48 if DeAngelo isn’t gone by then, but still 47 since 1 Ranger will be selected in the expansion draft), that would leave 3 open roster spots for Standard Player Contracts, possibly our 2021 First-Rounder, especially if he’s a Center, top Center like Matthew Beniers, Kent Johnson, Cole Sillinger, or Aatu Raty(I went off of 2021 NHL Mock Draft | Lines.com, where they have these guys listed as Center’s going in the 1st-round. I’m not sure if Dylan Guenther, William Eklund, or Zachary L’Heureux play Center, they’re listed as Wingers.
Surprised of how little is made of how our change to much more of a N-S game has hurt our offense. It’s not even mentioned in Brooks article. Strange.
DutchShamrock
Registered User
We always play to the level of the other team and take a night off with a compromised opponent. There is no killer instinct in the Rangers organization. I don't mean this iteration, I mean this has been going on for decades. They'll come out like world beaters next game because, "we can't underestimate an opponent. We have to battle every game. There are no easy games in this league." Or whatever cliche they spew post game. They learn their lesson and forget it with their goldfish brains.
So who’s on the deadline trade list
Can Strome be moved w 1 year left ?
Is Howden a candidate cause I hope so
PDG is a ufa but wouldn’t get much if anything
Smith , JJ have no value
Just pointing out they may have to go all year w what they got
Can Strome be moved w 1 year left ?
Is Howden a candidate cause I hope so
PDG is a ufa but wouldn’t get much if anything
Smith , JJ have no value
Just pointing out they may have to go all year w what they got
JG and JD not thinking there is a problem behind the bench is just as concerning as the actual coaching thats going on.
East Coast Bias
Registered User
Well this is re-writing history.
Trouba signed that deal before Fox ever played a game in the league. No one saw Fox being this good, this soon.
The Fox trade thread will full of people hedging that the 3rd we gave up would stay a 3rd (and not a 2nd) because there's a good chance he wouldn't play 30 games last season
No one worried about Fox's offense translating but there was definitely questions about him defensively holding up. And even if Tony didn't do what he did, he was never going to be the 1st pairing guy on this team cause of his defense.
So Trouba was always thought to be needed because there was no RHD that anyone felt confident in defensively beyond him
Fox turning into a star changed a lot. But it was by no means a given.
I Eat Crow
Fear The Mullet
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You're way overestimating what Buchnevich and Chytil will get on their next contracts. The Rangers also will not trade Deangelo with half his cap hit retained unless they get a useful asset in return. They'll just buy him out this summer if not.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
At some point something has to change... I mean ok... maybe Quinn has a longer leash. ADA is sitting on his couch.
Miller, Bread, Chytil and now Trouba hurt (hopefully some come back tom) but at the end of the day this team has been crap all (short) season long.
The excuses pile up WAY more than the points.
I don't have the answer but something has to change or we should expect the exact same outcome night in and out... a loss.
Miller, Bread, Chytil and now Trouba hurt (hopefully some come back tom) but at the end of the day this team has been crap all (short) season long.
The excuses pile up WAY more than the points.
I don't have the answer but something has to change or we should expect the exact same outcome night in and out... a loss.
Here are my player grades relative to expectations. This is probably the worst it’s been through a quarter season in a long time. Playing to expectation is a B grade.
Miller A+
Fox A-
Buchnevich A-
Chytil B+
Blackwell B+
Panarin B
Kakko B
Lindgren B
Rooney B
Di Giuseppe B
Bitetto B
Hajek B
Shesterkin B-
Gauthier B-
Lemieux B-
Trouba C+
Howden C+
Strome C+
Johnson C+
Smith C+
Georgiev C
Lafreniere C-
Kreider D
Zibanejad F
There are simply too many important players below expectation right now.
Miller A+
Fox A-
Buchnevich A-
Chytil B+
Blackwell B+
Panarin B
Kakko B
Lindgren B
Rooney B
Di Giuseppe B
Bitetto B
Hajek B
Shesterkin B-
Gauthier B-
Lemieux B-
Trouba C+
Howden C+
Strome C+
Johnson C+
Smith C+
Georgiev C
Lafreniere C-
Kreider D
Zibanejad F
There are simply too many important players below expectation right now.
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WE really have no centers to speak of right now with Zib non existent and FC hurt. Howden is weak and Strome is Strome. The highlight last night was watching Strome not taking face offs because he sucks at them and using Lafreniere instead who was getting beat clean;y on the draws. Honestly the best player on the ice last night was probably Blackwell.
Kocur Dill
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Pretext: I was a bit emotiomal seconds after that game when I posted my kk/laf Kovy/Heater outburst. Although I stick by the premise regardless of the laf/strome/kk line being a dandelion in a field of prickers last night.
I did not -expect- playoffs this year either, but, building off last season was expected. Maybe the play-in fart wasn't such an abberition?
When this team, as constructed, is playing its best game, they are dominating the O-zone. How many shifts, and I stress shifts have we seen that type of play so far? A handful at best? Whereas last season they were heading in the right direction of playing that way for a solid period, which lead to the stretches of wins last season that had them in the playoff contention conversation.
The player personel hasn't changed that much. Last year was progressive from the previous. This year is a clear regression.
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If Trouba is out they better try Tarmo
sit Bitetto if Miller is ok
no JJ. Hajek actually looks descent
sit Bitetto if Miller is ok
no JJ. Hajek actually looks descent
I’ll give our scouting department a little more credit than the HF boards trade threads, thanks.
We acquired Fox a full three months before we signed Trouba. Fox was a known quantity- there were a number of articles- for months in advance of the trade- about his unwillingness to sign with Carolina, about his interest in playing for the Rangers, and about our sniffing around.
You think Fox is a happy accident? He was probably penciled in before we knew Trouba was available.
Captain Monglobster
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Alot of sky is falling type posts even though we knew this team is a work in progress. People last year claimed that Zib may have peaked, Panarin may have peaked. We all know Kreider is streaky and was signed before we won the lottery.
In hindsight keeping Hayes and moving Kreider made more sense but that is from an outsiders perspective.
The team is in good hands with JD and Gorton. They know the teams flaws and I wouldnt be surprised to see them make a big move in the offseason or at the deadline. They need to be tougher to play against ala Boston.
But lets not forget that Chytil was looking fantastic and his absence hurts probably more than we realize.
In hindsight keeping Hayes and moving Kreider made more sense but that is from an outsiders perspective.
The team is in good hands with JD and Gorton. They know the teams flaws and I wouldnt be surprised to see them make a big move in the offseason or at the deadline. They need to be tougher to play against ala Boston.
But lets not forget that Chytil was looking fantastic and his absence hurts probably more than we realize.
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No I don't think Fox is a happy accident. But I do think what was known in June/July 2019 is very different than it is now, and the RHD was a complete tire fire in the 2018-2019 season. We went from nothing on the RHD to an abundance of talent very quickly.
I also don't think anyone thought he would be this good this quickly. Prospects don't always pan out, and no team is going to mortgage their entire future on a prospect.
It's ok to not love Trouba/his contract, but saying we didn't need him or someone like him, because Fox was coming I don't agree with at all
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Hajek had looked good, maybe even better considering he's been used on the right side as a lefty
It wasn't. You guys saw my reaction after game 1 both in the play-in and in the regular season, I didn't see the point in waiting around. All the winning teams manage their bench a certain way. All of them. Some of these old guys know exactly what I'm talking about. There's analytics that back it up. Lindy Ruff was a big reason why you saw what you saw. Lindy's a good man, we had a mutual contact, going back about 13-14 years. One of his buddies from the 80s in NY was a client of mine, and spoke nothing but great things about Ruff.
That was a surprise move from Tommy boy over there in Jersey, in hiring Ruff but it made sense. I can respect Tom for having that killer instinct, that was a smart move.
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We, we, we.....
All of a sudden, these mother f***ers know french??
SMH
All of a sudden, these mother f***ers know french??
SMH
My post was precisely that we gave up too much in Trouba's contract, especially considering we already had Fox, much less ADA.
Trouba's is a contract you give someone to woo them, not for someone we already had acquired, was an RFA, and who was known to want to play here.
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