Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXX: MOAR sandpaper, guts & glory?

[haveandare]

The year is 2024, the Rangers enter the playoffs again after an early 2022 exit. The team, led by Kakko and Lafreniere, are beginning to come into their own and fire on all cylinders offensively. The only knock on them is that they are a bit soft. They enter round 2 of the playoffs where they face the hated Philadelphia Flyers and their old friend turned foe Tony DeAngelo. for 6 games the Rangers and Flyers go back and forth, the Flyers with their physicality wearing down and demoralizing the Rangers as the series goes on. The Rangers begin to slow down and the Flyers tie the series in game 6. Tony DeAngelo leads the Flyers in scoring and has grown as a person, deleting his twitter, keeping his cool in the locker room, and has even become a leader for the Flyers. By all accounts, he is loved in the room. Game 7 is a nail biter, 2-2 going into 2OT. Suddenly, Tony DeAngelo goes crease to crease, undressing K'Andre Miller to score the game winning goal. Bluto facepalms from his seats that he kept, much to the protests of his wife who does not understand why he flies to New York for the playoffs every year. As Bluto's face is firmly palmed, the blue haired, rich, white NYU student from Westchester in a 'hip' Lindros jersey whos daddy bought him season tickets as a 'congratulations for maintaining a 3.2 GPA in your freshman liberal studies program!' gift cries out, his breath foul from consumption of some Brooklyn IPA I've never heard of "It's not fair! White supremacy! That Nazi shouldn't be allowed in the NHL! Poor Miller doesn't deserve such trauma!" As DeAngelo is mobbed by his Flyers teammates and the Rangers hang their heads in defeat, posters flock to HFBoards, crying out with their finger tips about how a racist undressed a poor young black player who shouldn't have been subjected to such trauma. Twitter buzzes about white privelege, comparing DeAngelo's overtime winner with racist Tom Brady, who had the audacity to defeat a black QB in the Super Bowl during black history month on 3 separate occasions. Some blame Larry Brooks, the privileged white boomer journalist who was so evil, that he wrote a puff piece about DeAngelo which painted him in a light in which people might conclude that DeAngelo wasn't actually the second coming of Hitler. They remind each other of all of the amateur bloggers who mentioned unnamed, anonymous sources who claimed DeAngelo terrorized Miller with racist attacks in his rookie year. As the internet is set ablaze, and Bluto's palm melts into his face, he may need to go to the emergency room to have them separated from each other. The Flyers fan down the aisle in his number 77 DeAngelo jersey mocks and taunts the crowd "thanks for giving him to us for free!" Bluto cries out. He hates nothing more than seeing Philadelphia sports fans celebrate. The players begin to shake hands, Twitter and HfBoards rebuking every Ranger player who shakes the hand of Tony DeAngelo. "Sportsmanship should not be granted to neo-nazis" they cry. As DeAngelo goes to shake Miller's hand, they embrace. Joseph Conrad could not have thought of a more fitting ending. The perfect euphemism for the last 500 years of colonization as the former friends turned rivals in an act of mutual respect congratulate each other on a hard fought series and vow to see each other again. Twitter explodes, HFBoards crash, the colonists have won, we have entered the hockey heart of darkness. People retreat to their safe spaces and call their therapists as they feel the pain of K'Andre Miller embracing the man they claim traumatized him. The offseason begins and the Rangers bombard social media with highlights of the 1994 playoff run as if it is still relevant with promises that they will someday hoist the cup again, every video with comments "We gave him up for free".

Reminds me of a certain Billy Madison scene

 

[Irishguy42]

Let’s brainstorm some ideas on what they’re planning to do with the cap space they’re banking

Hopefully it’s something good because putting your young players on the taxi squad where they get paid less and nothing coming out it roster move wise would be very shitty of the team

Nobody knows what the trading landscape is going to look like near the deadline.

Bank the free cap space now, and have it available for potential use at the deadline, as opposed to not doing it, and then realizing at the deadline "oh crap, we could have done this deal if we had banked cap space earlier."

If it's at the expense of Kakko and K'Andre not maximizing their salary this season...those kids are gonna make their bank, no worries. I'm all about players getting their bag, but Gorton is doing the correct move in doing this taxi squad shuffling. I'd be more concerned if he wasn't banking the free cap space.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

from all the videos I have seen Tony wasn’t a bad teammate he tried to have fun

he just has a temper and went overboard a bunch of times .... I think he deserves a chance but I’m a glass half full kinda guy

Did you miss chances 1 through 5?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hajek is a lefty. Is he playing RD?

Most of the time yup

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Rate my defenseman comparisons...

Fox = Rafalski
Lindgren = Klein
Miller= future Victor Hedman

8/10

3/10

5/10

 

[Fitzy]

8/10

3/10

5/10

I’m already beating my high school gpa

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If DeAngelo is not traded, until either a grievance is filled or the Rangers file to terminate his contract, (perhaps those two things are interlinked) I am just going to assume both parties are not totally sure how their case/actions would be viewed by an outside party. Therefor I am just going to assume both parties probably share some, but not necessarily equal parts in the responsibility for the outcome.

I don't think the Rangers would try and terminate any players contract to be honest unless they did something hugely illegal.

 

[RickChartraw]

I did chuckle at the now i can die in peace sign in 94'.....but jeez its been awhile, please one more time before i go.

 

[bigdog16]

Im sure he will be back eventually but Herman going completely radio silent on twitter is weak on his end. Wish he would’ve just gotten ahead of everything by apologizing and admitting he was wrong. I dont agree with all his takes, i dont think anyone does, but he is a good writer

 

[Anthony5967]

I like the title of this thread. It reminds me of how Fortunato and the other blogger geniuses like Herman mock TAWFNESS. Nobody is saying build a team of enforcers. So when they say MOAR TAWFNESS, they truly have no idea what people are clamoring for. Tampa didn't have goons, but guys like Goodrow, Maroon, Cirelli, Gourde, Killorn, etc. They are high character guys that do the little things you need come playoff time to win 16 games. These guys muck and give 110% every shift and will never be outbattled. They are so incredibly determined. We need more battle and compete, especially if they want to make noise one day as a championship team.

 

[Avery16]

Im sure he will be back eventually but Herman going completely radio silent on twitter is weak on his end. Wish he would’ve just gotten ahead of everything by apologizing and admitting he was wrong. I dont agree with all his takes, i dont think anyone does, but he is a good writer

He hasn’t published anything either. May be legit suspended.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I like the title of this thread. It reminds me of how Fortunato and the other blogger geniuses like Herman mock TAWFNESS. Nobody is saying build a team of enforcers. So when they say MOAR TAWFNESS, they truly have no idea what people are clamoring for. Tampa didn't have goons, but guys like Goodrow, Maroon, Cirelli, Gourde, Killorn, etc. They are high character guys that do the little things you need come playoff time to win 16 games. These guys muck and give 110% every shift and will never be outbattled. They are so incredibly determined. We need more battle and compete, especially if they want to make noise one day as a championship team.

The problem is this opinion gets muddled with people that legit want irrelevant toughness in 2021. There's a lot less of that now, thank God than when I started posting on message boards 20 years ago.

 

[NYR]

Rate my defenseman comparisons...

Fox = Rafalski
Lindgren = Klein
Miller= future Victor Hedman

Wut? C'mon man lol

 

[tomobson]

we can get moar tawfness when we're ready to compete. let the kids play and develop for now.

 

[NYR]

Did you miss chances 1 through 5?

We talking about the PP from the other night?

 

[Kocur Dill]

If DeAngelo is not traded, until either a grievance is filled or the Rangers file to terminate his contract, (perhaps those two things are interlinked) I am just going to assume both parties are not totally sure how their case/actions would be viewed by an outside party. Therefor I am just going to assume both parties probably share some, but not necessarily equal parts in the responsibility for the outcome.

Lionel Hutz, is that you?

 

[eco's bones]

I did chuckle at the now i can die in peace sign in 94'.....but jeez its been awhile, please one more time before i go.

You're not the only one who thinks or feels that way.

 

[Off Sides]

I don't think the Rangers would try and terminate any players contract to be honest unless they did something hugely illegal.

Not linking this to say one way or the other what the Rangers may do, or to compare any of those situation to this one. More just putting out some context that seems to show what some teams argued constituted breach of contract. It seems to be somewhat arbitrary as it's never really been determined/defined as the team and player have settled prior to any arbitration decision being rendered.

In other words there seems to be a good amount of grey area within:

"A Club may also terminate a contract without a buyout if the player commits a material breach of his SPC (fail, refuse or neglect to render his services or to obey Club rules regarding training and conduct of players or in any other manner materially breach this SPC)"


BRENDAN LEIPSIC'S TERMINATION MAY LEAD TO MORE QUESTIONS THAN MEET THE EYE - Beyond the Glass

WHAT IS A "MATERIAL BREACH" OF CONTRACT FOR AN NHL PLAYER? THE CURIOUS CASE OF JAKE DOTCHIN - Beyond the Glass

 

[eco's bones]

I like the title of this thread. It reminds me of how Fortunato and the other blogger geniuses like Herman mock TAWFNESS. Nobody is saying build a team of enforcers. So when they say MOAR TAWFNESS, they truly have no idea what people are clamoring for. Tampa didn't have goons, but guys like Goodrow, Maroon, Cirelli, Gourde, Killorn, etc. They are high character guys that do the little things you need come playoff time to win 16 games. These guys muck and give 110% every shift and will never be outbattled. They are so incredibly determined. We need more battle and compete, especially if they want to make noise one day as a championship team.

Actually the drafting of Schneider and Cuylle IMO was in part to address some of this issue. You really want these guys to be able to contribute more than just size and physical play and early returns on these two so far look very good. That said we are not a heavy enough team right now and we'll need to be to go deep into the playoffs one day. You need a lot of different elements to win--you need skill guys for sure but you need your muckers and grinders and penalty killers too. You need guys who can step in for their teammates once in a while. Would have been nice the other night when Lauzon gave Buchnevich a pretty decent beating. Still I liked the fact that the team did push back throughout the game.

 

[NYblades]

With K'Andre Miller now joining the Ranger's walking wounded, I hope this is the end of this season's awful injury bug.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Im sure he will be back eventually but Herman going completely radio silent on twitter is weak on his end. Wish he would’ve just gotten ahead of everything by apologizing and admitting he was wrong. I dont agree with all his takes, i dont think anyone does, but he is a good writer

He is incapable of admitting he was wrong and apologizing. He never will.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

With K'Andre Miller now joining the Ranger's walking wounded, I hope this is the end of this season's awful injury bug.

Volume-wise we've been ok with injuries, but Chytil's injury was extremely important and while it was just one game obviously Panarin was hugely important. I hope Miller can play tomorrow.

 

[Fitzy]

Wut? C'mon man lol

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Not linking this to say one way or the other what the Rangers may do, or to compare any of those situation to this one. More just putting out some context that seems to show what some teams argued constituted breach of contract. It seems to be somewhat arbitrary as it's never really been determined/defined as the team and player have settled prior to any arbitration decision being rendered.

In other words there seems to be a good amount of grey area within:

"A Club may also terminate a contract without a buyout if the player commits a material breach of his SPC (fail, refuse or neglect to render his services or to obey Club rules regarding training and conduct of players or in any other manner materially breach this SPC)"


BRENDAN LEIPSIC'S TERMINATION MAY LEAD TO MORE QUESTIONS THAN MEET THE EYE - Beyond the Glass

WHAT IS A "MATERIAL BREACH" OF CONTRACT FOR AN NHL PLAYER? THE CURIOUS CASE OF JAKE DOTCHIN - Beyond the Glass

I just don't see this franchise doing it unless someone got murdered or something else serious that would look bad on the franchise where they'd wanna cut ties with the person and not pay them when they are a criminal. I get it what your saying but i don't see ny doing it in this case

 

[NYR]