Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXX: Going 8-0 to close out might not be enough!
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Tkachuk is another LW, I don't see how he fits here even though I would love him.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Rasp and I were talking about this yesterday. We would be all over Blake Coleman and Phillip Danault.
Danault is Barkov without the points. I know...I know. But do we need the points?
Danault is Barkov without the points. I know...I know. But do we need the points?
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
2024/2025 depending on exact birthdate which is apparently difficult to find? He's 2006 DOB... so considering he's in U14, still that means he should be turning 15 between now and the end of the year. Which...by my drunk math...should mean 2024 draft since the NHL draft is if you're 18 on/before Sept 15 of that year and not older than 19 on Dec 31
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Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Will we?
Zibanejad is here next year, Panarin isn't going anywhere, and I certainly can't see Kakko and Lafreniere putting up fewer points.
And it's not like Danault doesn't score at all. He's still at around .5 PPG this year taking cartoonishly hard usage.
Will we?
This team scores a ton already. As younger guys grow into bigger roles, that really shouldn't change.
Now if they dont grow into those roles thats a different story, but they'd be f***ed either way if thats the case.
As much as I know Zib, Strome and Chytil down the middle isn't going to cut it for an overall winning formula, they do put up points. Danault replacing CHYTIL only should be fine, but most likely his addition would move Fil up and we would be losing Zib or Strome's production to some other team.
Ugh I would love Barkov though, he's everybody's type.
Irishguy42
Mr. Preachy
Tough to say.
It's one of those things where Barkov would obviously equal an immense amount of offensive points, in theory. But Danault's defensive impacts should also, in theory, impact point totals, right?
(this is all being said without comparing their defensive numbers)
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
He already turned down 5x6 from Montreal, I don't think anything more than that would be worth it even though he would be a good fit. Coleman on the other hand would be a nice fit and as long as the term is reasonable I'd be all over him.
Danault replacing Strome would be a massive net positive overall.
We're not considering the Panarin bump that Danault would get production wise. Maybe it wouldn't cover for ALL of stromes production, but it would account for a pretty big chunk of it while still being able to handle a bunch of other things that Strome is just not capable of.
But thats what you're hoping Lafreniere can do on his own next year through natural progression.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Danault wouldn't be replacing Chytil or pushing Chytil up. There isn't a planet in this solar system where Danault is a third liner.
He would be replacing, most likely, Strome. Over 82 games, Strome is about a 65 point player. I guarantee you Danault does that feeding Panarin instead of Josh Anderson and Joel Armia.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
I would do 6x6 for a guy that's elite at everything but scoring points, who we could just stick with Panarin.
It would be a $1.5m raise on what Strome currently gets to suck at everything but scoring points.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
It's not the money that's the issue, but the years for a guy who is going to be entering his age 29 season.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
Yeah I get that, but I'd like to start growing competitive before our young players are on their UFA contracts.
I have a good feeling you two know more about Danault than I do, so I will defer.
Danault will be seeking the same increase (maybe a little less after this season) as Strome. Danault hasn't demonstrated the ability to produce like Strome has with Panarin. Because of his age, pending UFA status, and decidedly 3C numbers, I'd say its at least as likely that he isn't a better fit at 2C than Strome.
I agree. Danault seems to have a high dollar amount in mind for himself. Coleman and Goodrow are both UFA from Tampa this year. Wennberg is a UFA and plays a similar game to Danault. Less physical, can produce, very good defensively. I’m certainly for kicking tires on Danault, but from rumblings it almost sounds like you could have all three of the others for close to what Danault wants. Granted, that was before he had a pretty rough season offensively and the new cap situation. We also have to move guys to find room for them. Guys like Coleman/Goodrow would make a great 4th line with Barron/Rooney. Guys like Danault or Wennberg need at least third line minutes. Danault also reportedly wants to get top six minutes.
I’m fine with trying him at 2C since I think he can produce with Bread and every other part of his game is better than Strome, but then where is Strome going? Something has to be coming back, a solid third liner would be a fine return if we went with Danault. Just pointing out there’s trickle down effects since our top 9 is getting quite crowded. What’s the point of holding onto Chytil instead of using him as a trade chip if he’s stuck on the third line? Even with Buch gone and Kreider playing third line it’s already Laf - Zib - Krav, Panarin - Strome/Danault - Kakko.
Kreider’s 6.5M is now on the third line. Can’t pay Strome to be there as well. Chytil could play there, but wouldn’t we almost be better served trying to package Chytil, either with one Kravtsov/Schneider/Robertson to get like a Tkachuk style top six player or attaching him to Kreider to try and get someone who believes in Chytil’s upside to relieve us of that contract? There’s just only so many slots in the top six. If we’re calling our wings Laf, Bread, KK, Krav than there’s no point in acquiring anything other than a bonafide top six center or really, really strong LHD.
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Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
These are all good options.
My only issue with Goodrow is that he's an "elite 4th liner" so to speak and he's gonna get a couple of million. I always tend to be of the belief with your 4th line that you can just pay guys minimum to play 9 minutes. If we have injuries, we have a number of prospects that could get a look.
If we wanted to explore Goodrow in the Fast role of complimenting a skill line, I would be open to that.
I’m a big fan of Danault and what he brings. I just don’t know how all the pieces fit together. If the Rangers use Chytil or Strome in a trade, it becomes a much larger possibility. Danault brings a lot of things the Rangers need but he will also come with a hefty price tag.
I’m expecting some movement before the expansion draft. I still think the Rangers can upgrade the 7th forward and 3rd defenseman positions on their protected list before the expansion draft. Take advantage of some of the many expansion draft challenged teams.
There are also some salary capped out teams that might be good targets to trade with. Salary cap space is an asset.
Excellent pro scouting is probably never as important as it is now.
I’m expecting some movement before the expansion draft. I still think the Rangers can upgrade the 7th forward and 3rd defenseman positions on their protected list before the expansion draft. Take advantage of some of the many expansion draft challenged teams.
There are also some salary capped out teams that might be good targets to trade with. Salary cap space is an asset.
Excellent pro scouting is probably never as important as it is now.
Having a collection of left over parts on the fourth line give you the performance of left over parts.
Doesn’t hurt to pay at least one guy decent money.
Machinehead
HFNYR MVP
They pretty much play the role of leftover parts.
I agree that having one solid 4th liner is probably a good idea but Goodrow has a reputation and a Cup so I think he could easily get $3m. I would never pay a guy that to put him on the 4th line. He's really a middle sixer on Tampa, so like I said, if we used him that way, I'm all for it.
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