Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXX: Going 8-0 to close out might not be enough!

[LokiDog]

Some guy from Winnipeg showed up here a while ago offering Copp for Schneider or Lundkvist. That's mot going to happen but there may be a deal there somewhere. Copp is a good player and fits exactly what this team needs.

Copp also is likely on the outside for expansion. Winnipeg will go 8 skaters because Ehlers, Connor, Scheifele, Wheeler, Dubois, Lowry, Pionk all need to be protected. Copp likely would be exposed in which case he’d also likely be selected. We could acquire Copp and protect him over guys like Howden/Gauthier. I’m sure Winnipeg would rather get something like a pick or ED exempt prospect than lose him for nothing.

 

[Ola]

Dude Carolina works. They work their asses off. I watched a game of there’s last week. They contest every puck, they bust their ass all over the ice. They skate hard and fast. Your right though, that’s a team where the coach gets the most out of his players and his players have bought in. Not only are they deep with talent, but the roster from top to bottom does all the little things you need to do to win. They are a cup favorite for me. Fast was an excellent t addition for them as we all know, shit skjei even looks damn good with his big body flying all over the ice like his rookie season. He may not have the stats, but ask canes fans. They are pleased with him.
Brindamour has done a fantastic job getting everyone to buy in as a team. He is an excellent coach who gets the most out of his players. He does a very good job of putting his guys in a position to succeed. Kind of like Torts but very different styles to reach the same conclusion

Yeah I agree for sure, just pointing at them because it’s not a roster full of Clutterbutts or Martins and the likes. They got skilled players that plays a game based on their skill, but they also work darn hard and they play well. They play smart.

Quinn is just, oh we lost when we tried to move the puck, look at the Islanders we must play like them. We are not the Islanders and I am not sure I would want to be either. The problem is that Quinn don’t know what to do.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think it boils down to three things:

1) I bring this up every day, I know, but people bring up effort/physicality every day so here we are: this team is SLOW. Like a jar of honey bleeding to death in an igloo. You can't forecheck without speed in 2021. I don't care how tough your lineup is.

2) We don't really employ a system that requires physical play. We're not really interested in rebounds, long periods of cycling, puck support, or clogging up the NZ. We play up and down until something breaks for us, and if it doesn't, dump and change. If opposing coaches -like Barry Trots or anyone a playoff series, for example- simply decides they're not skating up and down the ice with us, we're helpless. It's very similar to AV, but AV's teams actually were fast and got odd-man rushes constantly. @Raspewtin has said it before: we're slow and we play like a fast-break team.

3) This team does legitimately have concentrations of players -most of our veterans and all of our centers- in the same areas who are interested in making plays first and foremost. There's nothing wrong with that. You suck and you're boring without east-west players. The big bad Islanders have a f***ing bunch of guys who dangle and pass the whole game. But they also have Nelson, Pageau, and Cizikas down the middle. We don't have any centers who, traditionally, are good at being centers. Chytil could be but needs to work on faceoffs. Barron, I think, certainly will be. Zibanejad and Strome being the two who play the most by far is probably overkill and makes us a lot less versatile.

IMO it's not as much as 'we are slow' as it is, 'we play slow'.

As I always heard growing up, 'You can't outskate the puck..' Our puck support and movement is one of the main issues imo. We might be one of the worst teams coming out of our zone or through the neutral zone; puck movement in general. O zone play is stagnant and/or perimeter; seems as if we're waiting for an opening/misstep by the opposing defense, which typically comes against poorly structured teams.

We're a finesse team that plays slow, with poor puck movement, usually on the perimeter and with a non-existent physical component. It's a bad combination to say the least. There's no identity... We're bi-polar

I 100% would rather have the scales lean towards attacking/proactive than passive/reactive. Play on your toes not your heels. We were closer to that in 2019. As it's been evident, I have no been a fan of this version of the NYR. I do not think Quinn is capable of implementing that effectively. I'd love to be wrong.

 

[Machinehead]

IMO it's not as much as 'we are slow' as it is, 'we play slow'.

As I always heard growing up, 'You can't outskate the puck..' Our puck support and movement is one of the main issues imo. We might be one of the worst teams coming out of our zone or through the neutral zone; puck movement in general. O zone play is stagnant and/or perimeter; seems as if we're waiting for an opening/misstep by the opposing defense, which typically comes against poorly structured teams.

We're a finesse team that plays slow, with poor puck movement, usually on the perimeter and with a non-existent physical component. It's a bad combination to say the least. There's no identity... We're bi-polar

I 100% would rather have the scales lean towards attacking/proactive rather than passive/reactive. Play on your toes not your heels. We were closer to that in 2019. I do not think Quinn is capable of implementing that effectively. I'd love to be wrong.

Yeah, I feel you. We have some guys who can skate but it feels out of sorts.

Quinn does strike me as very much moving in different directions, I agree. He preaches play hard, and work hard, and hit hard, etc. etc. but the actual system is more geared towards winning 7-6.

 

[bobbop]

Copp also is likely on the outside for expansion. Winnipeg will go 8 skaters because Ehlers, Connor, Scheifele, Wheeler, Dubois, Lowry, Pionk all need to be protected. Copp likely would be exposed in which case he’d also likely be selected. We could acquire Copp and protect him over guys like Howden/Gauthier. I’m sure Winnipeg would rather get something like a pick or ED exempt prospect than lose him for nothing.

There’s no way Winnipeg will go eight skaters. No way.

 

[Leetch3]

Copp also is likely on the outside for expansion. Winnipeg will go 8 skaters because Ehlers, Connor, Scheifele, Wheeler, Dubois, Lowry, Pionk all need to be protected. Copp likely would be exposed in which case he’d also likely be selected. We could acquire Copp and protect him over guys like Howden/Gauthier. I’m sure Winnipeg would rather get something like a pick or ED exempt prospect than lose him for nothing.

you named 6 forwards and 1 d....teams only goes 8 skaters if they need to protect 4 dmen. otherwise 7/3/1 lets you protect 2 more players

 

[LokiDog]

There’s no way Winnipeg will go eight skaters. No way.

Why? They don’t have ED eligible Dmen worth protecting beyond Morrisey and Pionk.

Ehlers, Wheeler, Scheifele, Dubois, Connor, Lowry, Morrisey, Pionk, Hellebuyck. Deal Copp, expose Appleton and Demelo. Everyone else is ED exempt.


Edit: never mind, I had it backward in my mind. For some reason I thought it was 5/3 or 8 total, not 7/3.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Posted something similar in the Zib player thread. The question is, if mgmt has already reached this conclusion, then you trade him this summer. It’s going to be very difficult to do so at the deadline if the team is in PO contention and letting him walk for nothing shouldn’t be an option for a team this early in their window.

Which is why i believe both will be moved this offseason, with having another year on their contract and playing well they can be shipped to a team in the offseason for whatever it is that management believes will get us over the top.

I believe @Edge has expressed that their is a plan to add toughness and a certain type of player and that one or two of zibs strome chytl, and buch will be moved for it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Which is why i believe both will be moved this offseason, with having another year on their contract and playing well they can be shipped to a team in the offseason for whatever it is that management believes will get us over the top.

I believe @Edge has expressed that their is a plan to add toughness and a certain type of player and that one or two of zibs strome chytl, and buch will be moved for it.

I wouldn't be shocked if we see a Gaborik type deal where they restructure the make up of this team but not acquire a superstar many fans are hoping for.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I’d take a Benn, Monahan, or Lindholm

 

[bobbop]

I’d look no further than what Tampa did at the trade deadline last year as a blueprint for the Rangers. And not coincidentally, I’d also be looking at a few of those players who are going UFA at the end of this season as possible additions.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I’d look no further than what Tampa did at the trade deadline last year as a blueprint for the Rangers. And not coincidentally, I’d also be looking at a few of those players who are going UFA at the end of this season as possible additions.

The Flyers have been a bi-polar team the last decade, making the play off 5 times but never in consecutive seasons. If (and that's a big IF) they are looking to retool, the one guy I want from that team is Sean Couturier.

Something around Chytil and a pick to start talks, I guess. Good on face-offs, great 2-way center, signed until 2022.

 

[egelband]

I think people tend to expect too much from a coach. The failings of this team I think are more to do with experience and maybe a little deficit in the Leadership department.
If I’m JG I’m looking for one or two real dogs. And hoping they’re already in-house and developing. Maybe that’s Lafreniere. Maybe Lindgren. Maybe Schneider. Maybe they need one more salty bastard imported. But also it just takes time. I’m really looking to next year and beyond as the beginning of the ascent.
Sure, maybe we find that Quinn isn’t the guy. But at this point it’s pretty hard to make that call.

 

[egelband]

The Flyers have been a bi-polar team the last decade, making the play off 5 times but never in consecutive seasons. If (and that's a big IF) they are looking to retool, the one guy I want from that team is Sean Couturier.

Something around Chytil and a pick to start talks, I guess. Good on face-offs, great 2-way center, signed until 2022.

I think he’s the kind of guy we need but something is wrong with that team. Not sure what it is but they have bigger heart problems than we do. Not sure that’s where I’d go shopping. Or at least I’d be very careful.

 

[egelband]

Whole heartedly agree with this.

The lineup needs to be diversified. They are by no means tough enough, they are not intimidating, they dont wear teams down. We talked about this leading into this year. The Islanders just walked all over them. They cannot win on talent alone.

I do think some of that attitude, or, fortitude, will develop internally. But the current leadership seems a bit soft. Not physically, so much as mentally.
Unexpectedly I’ve been impressed more with Strome than most of the other “vets”.

 

[egelband]

I think you need a vet who has won and knows what needs to be done to win. Thats why going after a guy like Eichel or Barkov isn't necessarily the best play because neither guy has won anything yet. Buffalo in fact is playing better right now without Eichel but the coaching change there has something to do with it.

Something out of left field may happen this offseason. Rebuilding and gathering all these young assets is all fine and good but at some point you need that player that has "it" to help them take that next step. Chara would be nice but he'd definitely be a very short term solution but for one year let him mentor guys like Lindgren and Miller.

As unlikely as it might seem, if Pittsburgh gets bounced early in the playoffs I'd ask them what it would take to get Sidney Crosby. He is almost in his mid 30's now but he is still a Top 10 player in the league. He gets you that true top line center, he'd help us on faceoffs and he makes guys around him better. Look at guys like Rust and Guentzel in Pittsburgh; they would not be the players they are today without a guy like Crosby mentoring them during practice and games. Imagine what he can do to motivate a guy like Kreider and make guys like Lafreniere and Kakko better?

It would require a lot to persuade Pittsburgh but for a start how about:

Sidney Crosby

For

Mika Zibanejad
Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider
Vitaly Kravtsov
Zac Jones
1st Round Pick in 2021
2nd Round Pick in 2022

Not a crazy idea but the front office isn’t completely changing path at this point. Or at least I’d be shocked if they did this. I expect they’ll be fine tuning and supplementing. And moving perceived “excess”.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

We're bi-polar

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. We should collectively get a group therapy.

 

[kovazub94]

The Flyers have been a bi-polar team the last decade, making the play off 5 times but never in consecutive seasons. If (and that's a big IF) they are looking to retool, the one guy I want from that team is Sean Couturier.

Something around Chytil and a pick to start talks, I guess. Good on face-offs, great 2-way center, signed until 2022.

Chytil is untouchable. Should be solidly in the same group of forwards with Lafreniere, Kakko and Kravtsov and, tbh, maybe even ahead since the Rangers have more than enough wingers going forward (no pun intended).

 

[duhmetreE]

I think people tend to expect too much from a coach. The failings of this team I think are more to do with experience and maybe a little deficit in the Leadership department.
If I’m JG I’m looking for one or two real dogs. And hoping they’re already in-house and developing. Maybe that’s Lafreniere. Maybe Lindgren. Maybe Schneider. Maybe they need one more salty bastard imported. But also it just takes time. I’m really looking to next year and beyond as the beginning of the ascent.
Sure, maybe we find that Quinn isn’t the guy. But at this point it’s pretty hard to make that call.

I completely disagree.

With a young team and this vet group... we need A LOT more from the coach imo.

 

[GAGLine]

The Flyers have been a bi-polar team the last decade, making the play off 5 times but never in consecutive seasons. If (and that's a big IF) they are looking to retool, the one guy I want from that team is Sean Couturier.

Something around Chytil and a pick to start talks, I guess. Good on face-offs, great 2-way center, signed until 2022.

That's a problem. He has put up a lot of points the last 4 years and will be looking for a large raise. We've got Mika, Strome and Fox all due new contracts at the same time. If we traded for Couts, Strome is probably sent the other way or traded elsewhere, but that's still a lot of money.

I'd much rather target someone like Lindholm or Reinhart.

 

[Vitto79]

So are we thinking the team seriously considers moving prospects in a big deal ?

I see some fans asking for a vet LD but who goes? yes I know kids can go to the AHL

Lindgren , Fox
Miller , Trouba
Jones , Lundkvist
Robertson , Schneider
Reuananen, Hajek
Bitetto , Smith an option to resign

 

[jay from jersey]

Early April. "We have two huge games against the Isles at the end of April." "Gonna show a lot about where we are."

End of April. Gets outscored 10-1

Post game interview when asked about knowing how the Isles play and having to play that way to succeed not only against them but in the playoffs Quinn...

"Yes, but we are not built that way".

Obvious, but I found the way he expressed that kinda interesting.

That answer is very telling. Go back a year when the canes kicked our teeth in. Jd and Gorts both said the mandate is to be tougher to play against.

im really pissed we didn’t grab Bennett on the cheap. He flourishing with talent around him and checks off most of the boxes that management wants. Very foolish

 

[Vitto79]

Does McDonagh at 50 off have any value or 5 yrs is too many left at 3.5 ish?

 

[RGY]

Chytil is untouchable. Should be solidly in the same group of forwards with Lafreniere, Kakko and Kravtsov and, tbh, maybe even ahead since the Rangers have more than enough wingers going forward (no pun intended).

Lol Chytil being “untouchable” too funny.

 

[jay from jersey]

Alright party time. Time to get a preview of these guys who will be fighting for a spot next camp.

So so glad they didn’t just put Bitteto in. Thank god

Good. I’m glad they are rewarding the kids with for fine play. Now he’s just gotta give them some ice time. Nothing crazy, just enough to see how they play at this level before stapling them to the bench