Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXX: Going 8-0 to close out might not be enough!

[archanfelnsx]

Are they bringing in these vets to lead the current vets? Cause I feel like those are the guys who are not doing the things that people want the team to do.

I think the crux of this is, Panarin, Zbad, Strome are all a certain type of player, and then they also have Kreider who misses half the season even when playing.

How do they fix that sort of thing?

I think you need a vet who has won and knows what needs to be done to win. Thats why going after a guy like Eichel or Barkov isn't necessarily the best play because neither guy has won anything yet. Buffalo in fact is playing better right now without Eichel but the coaching change there has something to do with it.

Something out of left field may happen this offseason. Rebuilding and gathering all these young assets is all fine and good but at some point you need that player that has "it" to help them take that next step. Chara would be nice but he'd definitely be a very short term solution but for one year let him mentor guys like Lindgren and Miller.

As unlikely as it might seem, if Pittsburgh gets bounced early in the playoffs I'd ask them what it would take to get Sidney Crosby. He is almost in his mid 30's now but he is still a Top 10 player in the league. He gets you that true top line center, he'd help us on faceoffs and he makes guys around him better. Look at guys like Rust and Guentzel in Pittsburgh; they would not be the players they are today without a guy like Crosby mentoring them during practice and games. Imagine what he can do to motivate a guy like Kreider and make guys like Lafreniere and Kakko better?

It would require a lot to persuade Pittsburgh but for a start how about:

Sidney Crosby

For

Mika Zibanejad
Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider
Vitaly Kravtsov
Zac Jones
1st Round Pick in 2021
2nd Round Pick in 2022

 

[duhmetreE]

He never was a 4th liner. He was a kid who clearly needed a change of scenery after being dicked around by the coaching staff. He's not some journeyman. He's a former 4th overall pick who just turned 24 and was one of the younger guys in his draft class.

Is he going to keep up this pace? Probably not, but he's a far better player than people had him pegged based on numbers.

Yeah, I agree. The skill was always there, I was being facetious.

It stings because I really wanted him

 

[Kords]

I think you need a vet who has won and knows what needs to be done to win. Thats why going after a guy like Eichel or Barkov isn't necessarily the best play because neither guy has won anything yet. Buffalo in fact is playing better right now without Eichel but the coaching change there has something to do with it.

Something out of left field may happen this offseason. Rebuilding and gathering all these young assets is all fine and good but at some point you need that player that has "it" to help them take that next step. Chara would be nice but he'd definitely be a very short term solution but for one year let him mentor guys like Lindgren and Miller.

As unlikely as it might seem, if Pittsburgh gets bounced early in the playoffs I'd ask them what it would take to get Sidney Crosby. He is almost in his mid 30's now but he is still a Top 10 player in the league. He gets you that true top line center, he'd help us on faceoffs and he makes guys around him better. Look at guys like Rust and Guentzel in Pittsburgh; they would not be the players they are today without a guy like Crosby mentoring them during practice and games. Imagine what he can do to motivate a guy like Kreider and make guys like Lafreniere and Kakko better?

It would require a lot to persuade Pittsburgh but for a start how about:

Sidney Crosby

For

Mika Zibanejad
Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider
Vitaly Kravtsov
Zac Jones
1st Round Pick in 2021
2nd Round Pick in 2022

Would never want them to pay that price.... but I don't hate the idea of Crosby (god help me).... If you want veteran presence, you can't do any better than him and he would go all Tom Brady on the nay-sayers.

....Also he can pass the torch to Laf =)






.........also, also teach him to play center!

 

[Avery16]

The Strome and Spooner trade was a one-for-one trade and Spooner was terrible here. The rangers didn't trade him because they pounced on the idea of getting Strome, they got him because Spooner was underperforming and wanted to upgrade.

It wasn't even that rosy. We gave Spooner a bad contract extension, and we got Edmonton to take it off our hands in exchange for the bad contract extension they had given Strome. It was a standard 'your shit smells different from the shit I've been smelling' deal.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think you need a vet who has won and knows what needs to be done to win. Thats why going after a guy like Eichel or Barkov isn't necessarily the best play because neither guy has won anything yet. Buffalo in fact is playing better right now without Eichel but the coaching change there has something to do with it.

Something out of left field may happen this offseason. Rebuilding and gathering all these young assets is all fine and good but at some point you need that player that has "it" to help them take that next step. Chara would be nice but he'd definitely be a very short term solution but for one year let him mentor guys like Lindgren and Miller.

As unlikely as it might seem, if Pittsburgh gets bounced early in the playoffs I'd ask them what it would take to get Sidney Crosby. He is almost in his mid 30's now but he is still a Top 10 player in the league. He gets you that true top line center, he'd help us on faceoffs and he makes guys around him better. Look at guys like Rust and Guentzel in Pittsburgh; they would not be the players they are today without a guy like Crosby mentoring them during practice and games. Imagine what he can do to motivate a guy like Kreider and make guys like Lafreniere and Kakko better?

It would require a lot to persuade Pittsburgh but for a start how about:

Sidney Crosby

For

Mika Zibanejad
Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider
Vitaly Kravtsov
Zac Jones
1st Round Pick in 2021
2nd Round Pick in 2022

Hard no for that price....crosby,Panarin and Kravtskv would be unreal though

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It wasn't even that rosy. We gave Spooner a bad contract extension, and we got Edmonton to take it off our hands in exchange for the bad contract extension they had given Strome. It was a standard 'your shit smells different from the shit I've been smelling' deal.

And Gorton ended up turning shit into a valuable hockey player.

 

[Avery16]

And Gorton ended up turning shit into a valuable hockey player.

I'd give that credit to Panarin, and this season, some to Strome.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'd give that credit to Panarin, and this season, some to Strome.

Haha...can't let that narrative go eh...Kreider's best hockey this year was when Panarin was out and he was playing with Strome.

 

[Avery16]

Haha...can't let that narrative go eh...Kreider's best hockey this year was when Panarin was out and he was playing with Strome.

Kreider's so streaky its literally impossible to ascribe his on-games to any factor at all.

 

[haohmaru]

It would require a lot to persuade Pittsburgh but for a start how about:

Sidney Crosby

For

Mika Zibanejad
Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider
Vitaly Kravtsov
Zac Jones
1st Round Pick in 2021
2nd Round Pick in 2022

How much did you have to drink before you posted this?

 

[duhmetreE]

I think you need a vet who has won and knows what needs to be done to win. Thats why going after a guy like Eichel or Barkov isn't necessarily the best play because neither guy has won anything yet. Buffalo in fact is playing better right now without Eichel but the coaching change there has something to do with it.

Something out of left field may happen this offseason. Rebuilding and gathering all these young assets is all fine and good but at some point you need that player that has "it" to help them take that next step. Chara would be nice but he'd definitely be a very short term solution but for one year let him mentor guys like Lindgren and Miller.

As unlikely as it might seem, if Pittsburgh gets bounced early in the playoffs I'd ask them what it would take to get Sidney Crosby. He is almost in his mid 30's now but he is still a Top 10 player in the league. He gets you that true top line center, he'd help us on faceoffs and he makes guys around him better. Look at guys like Rust and Guentzel in Pittsburgh; they would not be the players they are today without a guy like Crosby mentoring them during practice and games. Imagine what he can do to motivate a guy like Kreider and make guys like Lafreniere and Kakko better?

It would require a lot to persuade Pittsburgh but for a start how about:

Sidney Crosby

For

Mika Zibanejad
Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider
Vitaly Kravtsov
Zac Jones
1st Round Pick in 2021
2nd Round Pick in 2022

That’s a prime Crosby package, not 2022 IMO

that’s in McDavid territory

 

[Machinehead]

I think it boils down to three things:

1) I bring this up every day, I know, but people bring up effort/physicality every day so here we are: this team is SLOW. Like a jar of honey bleeding to death in an igloo. You can't forecheck without speed in 2021. I don't care how tough your lineup is.

2) We don't really employ a system that requires physical play. We're not really interested in rebounds, long periods of cycling, puck support, or clogging up the NZ. We play up and down until something breaks for us, and if it doesn't, dump and change. If opposing coaches -like Barry Trots or anyone a playoff series, for example- simply decides they're not skating up and down the ice with us, we're helpless. It's very similar to AV, but AV's teams actually were fast and got odd-man rushes constantly. @Raspewtin has said it before: we're slow and we play like a fast-break team.

3) This team does legitimately have concentrations of players -most of our veterans and all of our centers- in the same areas who are interested in making plays first and foremost. There's nothing wrong with that. You suck and you're boring without east-west players. The big bad Islanders have a f***ing bunch of guys who dangle and pass the whole game. But they also have Nelson, Pageau, and Cizikas down the middle. We don't have any centers who, traditionally, are good at being centers. Chytil could be but needs to work on faceoffs. Barron, I think, certainly will be. Zibanejad and Strome being the two who play the most by far is probably overkill and makes us a lot less versatile.

 

[Kords]

How much did you have to drink before you posted this?

Well it took me only 5 beers and 3 hours of sleep to agree Crosby would be nice to have. Just for reference! That ask is nuts though, i'll never be that drunk.

 

[LokiDog]

I’d really like Boone Jenner for the third line. Veteran, great defensively, physical force, can chip in, only one year left on his deal. Columbus is definitely a candidate to shake things up after this year. Jenner is great on face offs and can play center or wing. That’s the type of veteran this team needs. He’d be a leader for sure.


Ultimately I don’t think that we can have Panarin, Laf, Kreider - Zib, Strome, Chytil - Buch, KK, Krav as our top 9 in any format and be successful. There just isn’t enough diversity. There needs to be at least one guy like a Tkachuk bro, Wilson, Josh Anderson, Benn, prime Lucic, etc. up in the top six and another guy like Jenner who can be used heavily on the PK and to defend leads but also contribute offensively in the bottom six.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I think you need a vet who has won and knows what needs to be done to win. Thats why going after a guy like Eichel or Barkov isn't necessarily the best play because neither guy has won anything yet. Buffalo in fact is playing better right now without Eichel but the coaching change there has something to do with it.

Something out of left field may happen this offseason. Rebuilding and gathering all these young assets is all fine and good but at some point you need that player that has "it" to help them take that next step. Chara would be nice but he'd definitely be a very short term solution but for one year let him mentor guys like Lindgren and Miller.

As unlikely as it might seem, if Pittsburgh gets bounced early in the playoffs I'd ask them what it would take to get Sidney Crosby. He is almost in his mid 30's now but he is still a Top 10 player in the league. He gets you that true top line center, he'd help us on faceoffs and he makes guys around him better. Look at guys like Rust and Guentzel in Pittsburgh; they would not be the players they are today without a guy like Crosby mentoring them during practice and games. Imagine what he can do to motivate a guy like Kreider and make guys like Lafreniere and Kakko better?

It would require a lot to persuade Pittsburgh but for a start how about:

Sidney Crosby

For

Mika Zibanejad
Nils Lundkvist or Braden Schneider
Vitaly Kravtsov
Zac Jones
1st Round Pick in 2021
2nd Round Pick in 2022

Maybe way back in 2010. Today? Noperoonies.

I'd still take him, but not at that cost. Not even close

 

[Machinehead]

I’d really like Boone Jenner for the third line. Veteran, great defensively, physical force, can chip in, only one year left on his deal. Columbus is definitely a candidate to shake things up after this year. Jenner is great on face offs and can play center or wing. That’s the type of veteran this team needs. He’d be a leader for sure.

Eh, Jenner is exactly the kind of grit this team hurts themselves with which I would like to avoid.

He runs around bouncing off stuff because he can't actually keep up.

Over the last 3 years, Columbus has 47% of the shots and 46% of the goals when he's on the ice.

 

[LokiDog]

Eh, Jenner is exactly the kind of grit this team hurts themselves with which I would like to avoid.

He runs around bouncing off stuff because he can't actually keep up.

Over the last 3 years, Columbus has 47% of the shots and 46% of the goals when he's on the ice.

Well, that’s still the mould of player I’d be interested in bringing in. A guy who doesn’t carry a huge cap hit or cost a mountain to obtain but plays a heavy game, wins face offs and brings a new element to the team while playing more than 8 minutes a night. Maybe Jenner’s not *the guy* but it’s the type of player I’d be scouting for.

Andrew Copp is an RFA this summer. He may be redundant with Lowry resigned long term and some of their kids coming up. If Winnipeg would move him for a pick or non-stud prospect that’s someone I’d be interested in.

 

[LokiDog]

Wennberg is another guy to look at. He’s about 51% on face offs, plays the most PK of all Florida forwards and has 25 points in 52 games. A guy who can put up about .5 points per game, PK and win draws, has some skill to slot up in injury situations. Doesn’t bring the sandpaper that we’re wanting but does bring speed and defensive responsibility.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think the story of the season is 'un clutch'

Our boys ran up some terrific offensive numbers via dunking on the three shitty teams in our conference, as well as a handful of isolated barn-burner games.

But at the end of the day, this team has made a habit out of blowing leads, losing close games, and giving up goals at the worst times.

The thing that surprises me is that more blame seems to be falling on the veteran players than the coaching staff right now

I think there is a giant disconnect from Quinn and the team. Most games they still come out unprepared and unmotivated. I really have no ide what the problem is? Not asking for Herbie brooks speech every game to fire up the team, but come on. This team comes out sloppy and lethargic over and over again. Never seen anything like it, go back to Quinn’s first 2 years and watch. There was a ton more passion on the ice

 

[bobbop]

The Strome and Spooner trade was a one-for-one trade and Spooner was terrible here. The rangers didn't trade him because they pounced on the idea of getting Strome, they got him because Spooner was underperforming and wanted to upgrade.

A little revisionist history here. Spooner was terrific when he first came to the Rangers but he didn't fit the long term vision and then got off to a lousy start the next year. So did Strome (in Edmonton) and the Rangers took advantage of his fall from grace to commit highway robbery. Money was retained to even out the contracts.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m game for guys like:
UFA’s
Oleksiak
Nosek
Coleman
Goodrow

I’d also be fine trading for Reaves if Vegas wanted to clear cap.

 

[bobbop]

Well, that’s still the mould of player I’d be interested in bringing in. A guy who doesn’t carry a huge cap hit or cost a mountain to obtain but plays a heavy game, wins face offs and brings a new element to the team while playing more than 8 minutes a night. Maybe Jenner’s not *the guy* but it’s the type of player I’d be scouting for.

Andrew Copp is an RFA this summer. He may be redundant with Lowry resigned long term and some of their kids coming up. If Winnipeg would move him for a pick or non-stud prospect that’s someone I’d be interested in.

Some guy from Winnipeg showed up here a while ago offering Copp for Schneider or Lundkvist. That's mot going to happen but there may be a deal there somewhere. Copp is a good player and fits exactly what this team needs.

 

[Sayba]

I'm not a fan of Howden but don't wish injuries on anyone and give him credit for shot blocking. I still don't understand why NHL players do not wear skate fenders.

 

[Machinehead]

Well, that’s still the mould of player I’d be interested in bringing in. A guy who doesn’t carry a huge cap hit or cost a mountain to obtain but plays a heavy game, wins face offs and brings a new element to the team while playing more than 8 minutes a night. Maybe Jenner’s not *the guy* but it’s the type of player I’d be scouting for.

Andrew Copp is an RFA this summer. He may be redundant with Lowry resigned long term and some of their kids coming up. If Winnipeg would move him for a pick or non-stud prospect that’s someone I’d be interested in.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. A cheap, versatile player who can check, move up in the lineup, and is a leader.

You know, somebody like...Jesper...Fast.

 

[Machinehead]

Some guy from Winnipeg showed up here a while ago offering Copp for Schneider or Lundkvist. That's mot going to happen but there may be a deal there somewhere. Copp is a good player and fits exactly what this team needs.

He was buggin. They're not getting an A-tier prospect for Copp.

Maybe somebody like Reunanen or Jones.