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Edge said:
Having said that, I do think the latter is a guy for whom projections exceeded potential. So expectations would be key there for fans.
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I mean it wouldn’t be very difficult to be better than Howden.

As long as Roslovic isn’t one of the worst players in the league the Rangers come out ahead on that deal
 
Isn’t Howden from the Winnipeg area? Might peak their interest. Also Ros’ agent is Lemieux? Hmm, where does his son play? And already has communications with that team’s front office?
 
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Lindberg Cheese said:
What’s Ros due, like 1.75? I do it and add like you say, maybe Skinner gets it done or even Hajek. I like the idea that if Chytil graduates to 2C that we have someone who can graduate to 3C right behind him
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Roslovic has no leverage —same as D’Angelo and Lemieux last year. Yes, I have some interest. A 1-1 trade makes a lot of sense.
 
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Edge said:
Really wish I could quote something from a closed thread and continue it forward.

@Fritzy commented: "The bolded I'm good with. But I've never considered the 'face of the franchise' to be a sufficient qualification for captaincy. Putting Leetch in charge wasn't a good plan, and theres a reason why our current face in Panarin isn't being talked about as a captin."

Both are valid points and examples (and a reasom I believe there is some hesitation with current Rangers). But with Lafreniere, it's potentially the cross-section of skill/personality and the fact that he should be their best player someday. That cross-section is rare. If anything, it's the type of combination that teams tend to hope for and would, most likely, wait on if they knew it was coming down the pike. That's I believe there's a very good possibility the Rangers will hold-off as well.

Let me put it this way: without the franchise-level potential, Lafreniere would be talked about as a future captain at the NHL level. With the skill level, he essentially becomes the type of player that teams dream about. He's a rare breed, even among some amazing young talent.
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The captaincy is a funny thing. Some players look at being the captain as their destiny in life. Others could care less. Management has to be very careful in handling the position. Making a mistake can ruin a career and a relationship.

When Ryan O’Reilly was early in his career with Colorado, the story goes that he had apparently had conversations with people in the organization about becoming the captain of the team. He desperately wanted the position. He had been a captain throughout his career and felt he had earned the position. That year when O’Reilly held out for a contract, the Avs stunningly named Gabriel Landeskog captain. O’Reilly was devastated, signed an offer sheet with Calgary (that the Avs matched) and he ultimately forced a trade to Buffalo. He is now the new captain of the St. Louis Blues.

Bottom line, there is no easy call, even when you think you have all the answers.
 
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Roslovic has no leverage —same as D’Angelo and Lemieux last year. Yes, I have some interest. A 1-1 trade makes a lot of sense.
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He does not. He is coming off a cap hit of $894k. His production has slowly been trending upward. I dont think his raise goes to more than $1.25AAV. I think he also needs a change. He needs out of WPG. I am very interested here.
 
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I don’t particularly like Howden’s game, but I’m still not sure if I’d make that trade because I’m not crazy about Roslovic either. I might take the guy who could carve out a 4C role rather than the offensive guy who would never stick in our top 6 and isn’t made for the bottom 6 role.

I’m probably in the minority though... sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t. Are you making this trade because you actually like Roslovic or because you just don’t care for Howden?
 
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RGY said:
Just because Roslovic played Wing last year or even mostly in his NHL career, doesn’t mean he cannot play Center. Wasn’t he drafted as a Center?

I also would argue Howden is not more physical than Roslovic. Not one bit. Doesn’t mean Roslovic is very physical either, just that Howden isn’t what you are claiming him to be. He is terrible on the faceoff dot and terrible defensively. Do not see him as having an Adam Lowry future. He will be lucky to have a stable NHL career. He needs to improve a lot. Roslovic is absolutely more talented. I am much more confident in his future trajectory as an NHL player.
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One of my biggest pet peeves on this board is the idea that you can just plug any player in at center. Maybe his draft profile referenced him as a C, but as far as I know he’s been a winger most of his professional career. Many career wingers started out as centers since that’s often where the best kids play so they get a chance to touch the puck the most. His face off numbers are not good either and he took a lot less this past season than the one before.

My other pet peeve is that “the other guy has to be better.” He doesn’t have to be. Hey, this could turn out to be a great trade. Roslovic May very well have a superior career. However, I’m getting a lot more “I can’t stand Howden,” rather than “I like Roslovic.”
 
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I've always liked Roslovic, i really think he needs a change, Winnipeg hasn't given him opportunity when they had spots to fill imo. Id assume they could do something better than Howden and more likely surrounding a dman for him given the d they iced last year.
 
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One of my biggest pet peeves on this board is the idea that you can just plug any player in at center. Maybe his draft profile referenced him as a C, but as far as I know he’s been a winger most of his professional career. Many career wingers started out as centers since that’s often where the best kids play so they get a chance to touch the puck the most. His face off numbers are not good either and he took a lot less this past season than the one before.

My other pet peeve is that “the other guy has to be better.” He doesn’t have to be. Hey, this could turn out to be a great trade. Roslovic May very well have a superior career. However, I’m getting a lot more “I can’t stand Howden,” rather than “I like Roslovic.”
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His Faceoff numbers arent ones that jump out at you. But also the sample size is very small. And if people are so willing to try Barron at Center, who has not been fully playing there, then I would like to see Roslovic with some time there. The other side of it is if anything Roslovic could be another option to Chytil. I completely understand you cannot just plug anyone anywhere and I also understand that seems to happen on these boards often. But looking at another angle here as to why I would be interested in trying Roslovic at Center is that he is a Righty. If you end up with Lafreniere on the 3rd line, I would much more prefer Roslovic in the middle as a righty than Chytil who is a lefty. Chytil could slide to the wing on that line. Gauthier down to 4RW and you either sign a vet like Boyle or you let Rooney/Barron battle it out for 4C.

I also understand your reservations about the “grass is always greener” mentality. But with Howden I have really soured on him. I just dont see an NHL player there. If there is one, maybe, maybe its with a ceiling as a 3C or even winger. Maybe. But he has holes in his game just to be the 4C right now and he doesnt have enough talent to make up for those holes. For Roslovic, even with his shortcomings he is ahead in his development (and yes older) with more talent imo in the limited time I have watched him play. I see the middle 6 potential.
 
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His Faceoff numbers arent ones that jump out at you. But also the sample size is very small. And if people are so willing to try Barron at Center, who has not been fully playing there, then I would like to see Roslovic with some time there. The other side of it is if anything Roslovic could be another option to Chytil. I completely understand you cannot just plug anyone anywhere and I also understand that seems to happen on these boards often. But looking at another angle here as to why I would be interested in trying Roslovic at Center is that he is a Righty. If you end up with Lafreniere on the 3rd line, I would much more prefer Roslovic in the middle as a righty than Chytil who is a lefty. Chytil could slide to the wing on that line. Gauthier down to 4RW and you either sign a vet like Boyle or you let Rooney/Barron battle it out for 4C.

I also understand your reservations about the “grass is always greener” mentality. But with Howden I have really soured on him. I just dont see an NHL player there. If there is one, maybe, maybe its with a ceiling as a 3C or even winger. Maybe. But he has holes in his game just to be the 4C right now and he doesnt have enough talent to make up for those holes. For Roslovic, even with his shortcomings he is ahead in his development (and yes older) with more talent imo in the limited time I have watched him play. I see the middle 6 potential.
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I think it's a small sample size because WPG didn't see him as a center. As for Barron, I'd be very surprised if he came in and played C. I think it's unlikely long term, and almost a definite 'no' short term.

Eh, it's not an awful deal, and I wouldn't be upset if they did a 1 for 1 swap, but I'm not so sure that Roslovic is an upgrade on Howden and just to reiterate - I'm not a Howden fan. Although, in his defense he could've benefited from some time in the AHL, and I think he's been grossly overused at times. I just think he has a shot to carve out a role as a really nice 4C, with an outside shot as a 3C. I just think Roslovic will be a dime a dozen tweener winger.
 
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I think people keep forgetting that Howden made the jump from the WHL straight to the NHL. That probably with most any other team he would have spent a year or two in the AHL. He's still a player who is developing and he's a player that hasn't come into his physical strength yet and is a bit weak for his size. Making the Rangers out of juniors seems to have raised some people's expectations of him and they were disappointed that he doesn't look like he'll ever be top 6 material. So some have spent the last couple years taking their disappointment out on him.

He's a very young player who should end up with a pretty decent NHL career. I expect that he's going to get better as he gets stronger and more acclimated to the NHL. I don't expect him to become a top 6 player and the Rangers are probably going to move on from him one day but he's not as terrible as some people make him out to be. He's become a target though.

As far as Roslovic I don't think he'd end up in our top 6 either which means in my eyes that to accentuate his value to the team it's going to be necessary for him to do some of the more unappreciated tasks necessary to help our team win. Physical play, checking and penalty killing are among them. If he can't or won't do those things he won't last either. He'll be just another experiment that didn't work out.
 
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I think people keep forgetting that Howden made the jump from the WHL straight to the NHL. That probably with most any other team he would have spent a year or two in the AHL. He's still a player who is developing and he's a player that hasn't come into his physical strength yet and is a bit weak for his size. Making the Rangers out of juniors seems to have raised some people's expectations of him and they were disappointed that he doesn't look like he'll ever be top 6 material. So some have spent the last couple years taking their disappointment out on him.

He's a very young player who should end up with a pretty decent NHL career. I expect that he's going to get better as he gets stronger and more acclimated to the NHL. I don't expect him to become a top 6 player and the Rangers are probably going to move on from him one day but he's not as terrible as some people make him out to be. He's become a target though.

As far as Roslovic I don't think he'd end up in our top 6 either which means in my eyes that to accentuate his value to the team it's going to be necessary for him to do some of the more unappreciated tasks necessary to help our team win. Physical play, checking and penalty killing are among them. If he can't or won't do those things he won't last either. He'll be just another experiment that didn't work out.
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He is definitely that terrible. Maybe he'll get better but as of now he's one of the worst players in the league. I think the most likely scenario is in 3 years he will be out of the league. I don't think people are disappointed that he doesn't look like a top 6 player. I think they are disappointed that he looks incapable of even playing the role he has (4C/PK).
 
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