Toggle sidebar

Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXII: “The Year of the Plague’s” last one...

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
MrPodz said:
Hey so I know this seems like a stretch, and he was a center, but imagine a lidstrom esque bruiser line like laf-chytil-gauthier. Thats gonna be a dirty line imo.
Click to expand...

Both that line and the Panarin-Strome-Kakko line are going to be defensive works in progress, but as other posters have alluded to that's a long term fix. This team is gonna score a lot and probably get scored on a lot unless Shesty stands on his head.

Hopefully Gauthier can learn to make himself a nuisance ala Jason Chimera. You want to see more physicality from his game.
 
  • Like
Reactions: leetch99
mas0764 said:
But that's the entire debate I'm making. I'm not arguing who is better than Buch right now, which is why I was making fun of how you always bring it up. It's irrelevant. I don't need to run down the list of highly touted RW prospects we have, you and I both know who they are.
Click to expand...
No, the debate you are making is that there are options that can replace him now. I am asking you who they are.

Who are the high touted right wings that can replace him? Kakko? We all hope so. But he has not shown that he is top line material yet. I believe he will be, but he is not pushing anyone out even if he hits 50 points this year. Who else? Kravstov? The kid who has not played a single second in the NHL yet? He is a top-6 option and is close to pushing him out? Who else do you have for the highly-touted RW list?
The argument is, he's not going to be here long term, ergo, he either doesn't get extended to a substantial deal and walks, or, he's traded.

I'd prefer to get something for him since he is in fact a good and valuable player, so... the latter.
Click to expand...
That is not argument. That is an absolute. Do I think that he is here long-term? Actually no, but it is an item that can and frankly should be debated. Especially as I do not see this flowing pipeline of RWs that are ready to play top-6 minutes. Which then means that as a contending team, you are talking about a trade.

This also does not look at the fact that if this team is contending for the playoffs, as they are probably going to do as a bubble team, there is every chance that he becomes a self-rental as I believe that they days of trading production for picks and prospects are over.
And to bring it back to the post that kicked this off the other day, it's funny how you always jump to "BUT WHO IS BETTER?!?!" since it's not the point of the discussion. No one is better than him right this second. I'd still trade him rather than lock him in long term to top line money like we did with Kreider (another player who will end up being overpaid for his role eventually, due to our young wing talent), or conversely, allow him to walk for nothing. That decision may very well have to be made before one of the prospects is quite ready to be a first line RW but it's still very likely to be the right decision. If you have to put a band-aid on that spot for a while, so be it. That being said he's not being traded right now.... but at the deadline? Could you get a haul? Then I'm very interested.
Click to expand...
When you state that there are options, it is most certainly a debate as I would like to know who you are sliding into a top-6 role this year and in the near future.

Regarding Kreider, I know of NO ONE would make signings based on the probability of netting the 1OA.

Playoff contending teams usually do not put bang-aids on anything for seasons on end.

A haul? At the deadline, would you consider what Hayes brought back a haul? Also, if the team is indeed contending, do you really expect Gorton to trade a top-6 forward?
 
A self rental would be a terrible idea if the end result is another Carolina-style bounce out if the young talent isn't ready. Despite all the talk about "competing teams don't sell," you have to take a good hard look at whether this team is actually a contender for something more than a quick exit or even winning merely a round. NHL GMs do a lot of dumb things that they shouldn't, so just because the team may or may not do something doesn't make it wise.

Go ahead and chalk me up in the "100% against," category. If they've decided they cannot afford a 5 year, $5m+ contract for Buch, and they honestly probably cannot since ultimately that's probably a salary they are paying to a third liner or at best their 6th or 7th most important winger, then he should be dealt if the return is even a Hayes-like one. But given last year's deadline, probably more.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Avery16
mas0764 said:
A self rental would be a terrible idea if the end result is another Carolina-style bounce out if the young talent isn't ready. Despite all the talk about "competing teams don't sell," you have to take a good hard look at whether this team is actually a contender for something more than a quick exit or even winning merely a round. NHL GMs do a lot of dumb things that they shouldn't, so just because the team may or may not do something doesn't make it wise.

Go ahead and chalk me up in the "100% against," category. If they've decided they cannot afford a 5 year, $5m+ contract for Buch, and they honestly probably cannot since ultimately that's probably a salary they are paying to a third liner or at best their 6th or 7th most important winger, then he should be dealt if the return is even a Hayes-like one. But given last year's deadline, probably more.
Click to expand...

Buch wouldn't be a self-rental since he'll be RFA when his contract ends. So he could easily be dealt in the offseason rather than at the deadline.

It's also important to note that if we can afford him short term, we can re-sign him and then trade him later. They may not choose to do that, depending on how other players progress, but it's an option.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kovazub94, pld459666 and McSauer
mas0764 said:
A self rental would be a terrible idea if the end result is another Carolina-style bounce out if the young talent isn't ready. Despite all the talk about "competing teams don't sell," you have to take a good hard look at whether this team is actually a contender for something more than a quick exit or even winning merely a round. NHL GMs do a lot of dumb things that they shouldn't, so just because the team may or may not do something doesn't make it wise.

Go ahead and chalk me up in the "100% against," category. If they've decided they cannot afford a 5 year, $5m+ contract for Buch, and they honestly probably cannot since ultimately that's probably a salary they are paying to a third liner or at best their 6th or 7th most important winger, then he should be dealt if the return is even a Hayes-like one. But given last year's deadline, probably more.
Click to expand...
As I believe that their goal is to make the playoffs, I cannot see a scenario in which Gorton trades him. If he is moved, it will not be for picks and prospects. It will be to shore up another weakness in the line up. Meanwhile, it will create a major weakness on the right side, unless someone like Krieder can play there.
 
duhmetreE said:
No, I dont think the line needs to be shutdown. IMO the bottom 6 needs to be capable to PK, forecheck and play responsible hockey. Offense is a plus. If your bottom6 is a bunch of kids that's are 'offensive minded', there may be issues in the balance of the team. You still need roles on a team. You need good defensive players/depth and most importantly, good defensive centers.

'Part of the process' is making my point. How can you say young kids making mistakes/learning/getting benched is 'part of the process' then say they'll be 'ok' defensively? If you are making mistakes and learning, as kids will, you are not 'ok' defensively. That's the point I was making and you are making but are not connecting the same dots.

Strome is average to below average.
Chytil is average to below average and green. ( he can be good but how much defensive growth will a 21 year old show? )
Howden is this boards whipping boy.

You bring up Hayes. Hayes turned into a good defensive center. How long did it take? He was what? 24? 25?

So, where's this balance? I'm not talking about offensive talent, we have that in spades. We do not have defensive minded players or players that can excel on defense. Who are we relying on? Just ride Zibs for 25+ minutes a game? Lemieux? Barron is our hope?

As I orginially stated... This forward group, overall is bad defensively. That's a balance issue. I don't even know what you're arguing.
Click to expand...

I have no idea who told you we were supposed to win a cup this year but we're 3 years into a rebuild, we are way ahead of schedule and we need our young players to play meaningful minutes so that when this build is complete they are ready to go. Guys like Strome, Deangelo, Lemieux etc most likely won't be here when this team is ready, guys like Chytil, Howden, Barron, Miller etc need to be ready when they are gone. I like our third line, it has a good balance of speed(all three), defensive ability(i think you are underestimating all three in this regard but mostly Lafreniere ) and scoring. What would your solution be? Where would you play Chytil and who takes his spot at center?
 
  • Like
Reactions: NYRangers16
RGY said:
Which insider put that info out there?
Click to expand...
Edit: Disregard, I found the Larry Brooks article.

I read the part about the ‘wait and see approach’ but I despise that. Boyle is a big body with a ton of experience in the areas of the ice that we need to get better. Size, Faceoffs, PKing, grit and will to win. The young kids could learn a lot from him. He would be an immediate upgrade over Howden and Rooney and he would come cheap. And if anything he would be great insurance. Especially if we do put a package together for a 2C that we give up multiple roster pieces.

Get it done Gorts
 
  • Like
Reactions: UnSandvich and bobbop
So are we gonna reopen the Deangelo player discussion thread now that training camp has started or what?
 
Uninstaaled said:
There is no need for Boyle.

Im hoping Barron grabs that spot but if not, I'd rather see if Howden can figure it out than signing Boyle.
Click to expand...
As I said having the insurance Boyle would provide for when Howden never figures it out, at the very least the center position, that would be a good time to have a guy who can win faceoffs, PK, and defend.

Also, there is a very strong chance Barron makes it as a wing instead of a center.
 
  • Like
Reactions: WAIVE BRODZINSKI
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Ad

Top Bottom