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Eichel and a #1 is asking too much?
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Eichel and a #1 is asking too much?
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I don’t see ADA diving and blocking shots for Torts night after night.
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I mean that’s a pretty good way for Columbus to get a center (or two) back in a deal isn’t it
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Draft position as an independent factor does not matter when it comes to valuation of a prospect in a trade. However, it can certainly make it harder for teams to want to move a player due to a sunk cost concept. Also, it can be used to reinforce an argument being made (and I know for a fact that is has been used like this in plenty of scenarios).
However, draft position certainly has merit for consideration because it is very often a reflection of how the player was valued for traits very recently when he was under scrutiny from many teams and various independent sources.
Joe Thornton's draft position has no relevance on his trade value today. Artemi Panarin's draft position likewise, same as Brady Skjei, Mika Zibanejad, etc.
However, players that are still in young development stages certainly will have their draft position discussed in trade valuations and negotiations because it represents a definitive valuation that the organization had on the player's traits, prowess, etc. very recently. It's akin to saying you can trust that we aren't just talking this guy up in a trade for the hell of it to try and get value, we spent our 7th overall pick on him because we truly believe he has that ability. Furthermore, the fact that a player like Lias was practically unanimously valued as a 1st round pick is an important thing to bring up in negotiations as well because, as aforementioned, it reflects his independent evaluation.
Draft position is not the foremost thing addressed by a longshot in valuing a player. However, it certainly can be used to bolster an argument (and is used in trade, and even contract negotiations plenty of times).
However, draft position certainly has merit for consideration because it is very often a reflection of how the player was valued for traits very recently when he was under scrutiny from many teams and various independent sources.
Joe Thornton's draft position has no relevance on his trade value today. Artemi Panarin's draft position likewise, same as Brady Skjei, Mika Zibanejad, etc.
However, players that are still in young development stages certainly will have their draft position discussed in trade valuations and negotiations because it represents a definitive valuation that the organization had on the player's traits, prowess, etc. very recently. It's akin to saying you can trust that we aren't just talking this guy up in a trade for the hell of it to try and get value, we spent our 7th overall pick on him because we truly believe he has that ability. Furthermore, the fact that a player like Lias was practically unanimously valued as a 1st round pick is an important thing to bring up in negotiations as well because, as aforementioned, it reflects his independent evaluation.
Draft position is not the foremost thing addressed by a longshot in valuing a player. However, it certainly can be used to bolster an argument (and is used in trade, and even contract negotiations plenty of times).
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Dubois is up for a big raise. Kakko is less likely to. I'm predicting a moderate improvement for Kakko this season and then a gigantic growth in his third and contract year ala Pastrnak. Kakko could benefit from the shortened season though (+Panarin +his extra muscles) so if he gets rolling early, stays healthy, he could also make much bigger gains this season like 30 pts in 50 games.
Doesn’t “it’s not solely a Tortorella thing” kind of read, this is a Tortorella thing?
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I hope so! Also, the contract piece is important. I agree with that. At some point you need to dive in, but the player has to be the right player. My whole point about dangling Kakko was only if NYR brass really believed that PLD was their guy and was a guy who could be that franchise, #1C piece for the foreseeable future. The contract piece of it makes it trickier, for sure.
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What I'm worried about is that we will end up in a Seguin-type scenario where we see Kakko blossom in Columbus and have nothing to show for it ourselves, having given up way too early on our top prospect
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Absolutely, huge risk. Have to remember there is risk the other way too though. What if PLD blossoms into that franchise #1C elswhere and Kakko ends up not being the player we all believe he will be? Not saying that is what I think will happen. Honestly, my gut reaction is that we should hang on to our top 4-5 young core.
My whole point was only if NYR brass was 100% sold that PLD was our franchise center of the future, you think about trading Kakko. If you're not 100% sold on him, you do not trade Kakko. You try to offer some of the other great pieces we have, Chytil/ADA ect.
22 year old centers with that type of potential rarely come available. Maybe PLD is the guy, but maybe he's not.
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You do not trade Kakko anyway and offer other pieces we have.
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And 19-year old prospects like Kakko are rarely traded, with good reason
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And like clockwork you are still utterly incapable of answering the questions asked of you.
people always want the nice shiny toy. I like PLD but he seems like the type that once he gets the big money, he just stops playing good hockey. i rather take my chances with Kakko and Fox. DeAngelo and Strome I would consider trading for Dubois but no way I would trade Kakko Fox or Laf for him.
I would not consider Mika for Dubois even with Mika being an UFA in 2 years
I would not consider Mika for Dubois even with Mika being an UFA in 2 years
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PLD has thus far played his entire career on his ELC, so what exactly are you basing that on?
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Amazing Kreiderman
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GMs fall for this all the time
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