Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXI

[Leetch3]

1) Who's the Uber Fan wearing CHELIOS #7 ?

2) Kovalev is Trakor's coach? How fitting is that to have a guy like him mentor Kravtsov?
.You know Vitaly has to respect him.
.Similar game/potential
.NYR/Kovy in-channels
.Maybe Kovy gives him, at some time, the old "You can do what I did and be succesful or you can do what I did better, here is what I learned after 15+ years in the NHL."

My optimism of Kravy having an NHL career just turned into a net positive. He still has a lot of work to do, but he is in the right hands at the right time for now.

Kovalev is not his coach...he was coaching the other team

 

[SA16]

I could be misremembering but I thought the split happened before Zibanejad's injury. Regardless - my post was meant to say that Zibanejad and Panarin were originally meant to play together.

They did. They tried it for one game, had a good game, but then Zibanejad got hurt so they had no choice but to stick with it (or someone else there) for a month.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Correct, but that is with a 23 man roster. Consider using 21 men and an available taxi squad of 6 players and then there are certain possibilities left. A bummer that the league punished the NYR with the ELC bonus overages not opening more possibilities (don’t flame me here, just quoting Uncle Larry).

I honestly wonder what the rules on the taxi-squad will be. Does the team need to fill out the roster to 23 players before adding players to the taxi squad? Otherwise each team can just go with 18 skaters and 2 goalies and basically save 3m.

 

[Thirty One]

I honestly wonder what the rules on the taxi-squad will be. Does the team need to fill out the roster to 23 players before adding players to the taxi squad? Otherwise each team can just go with 18 skaters and 2 goalies and basically save 3m.

I believe it's been reported that you don't need to fill up your 23 to use the taxi squad. I think you'll see the Rangers go with 21.

 

[kovazub94]

They did. They tried it for one game, had a good game, but then Zibanejad got hurt so they had no choice but to stick with it (or someone else there) for a month.

Now you're misremembering. Zibanejad played 9 games before he got injured (against the Jets on October 27). Definitely more than just one game with Panarin on his wing to start the season.

I was under the impression that Zibanejad and Panarin were split around games 6-7 but this is the part I'm not 100% sure.

 

[SA16]

Now you're misremembering. Zibanejad played 9 games before he got injured (against the Jets on October 27). Definitely more than just one game with Panarin on his wing to start the season.

I was under the impression that Zibanejad and Panarin were split around games 6-7 but this is the part I'm not 100% sure.

I'm not misremembering I looked it up. The first game with Strome/Panarin was Oct 24. They won 6-2. Then they started the next game together (Oct 27) and Zibanejad got injured so they were forced to stick with it for the next month. Every game prior to 10/24 was Panarin/Zibanejad/X.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I believe it's been reported that you don't need to fill up your 23 to use the taxi squad. I think you'll see the Rangers go with 21.

In that case they'd be able to barely scrape by if Barron is on the team.

This year will be a CBA nightmare

 

[kovazub94]

I'm not misremembering I looked it up. The first game with Strome/Panarin was Oct 24. They won 6-2. Then they started the next game together (Oct 27) and Zibanejad got injured so they were forced to stick with it for the next month. Every game prior to 10/24 was Panarin/Zibanejad/X.

I read your post to say Zibanejad and Panarin stayed together for just one game.

Otherwise I still have no idea what your point is. Strome play with Panarin allowed the Rangers to split Zibanejad and Panarin and it started before Zibanejad got injured.

 

[SA16]

I read your post to say Zibanejad and Panarin stayed together for just one game.

Otherwise I still have no idea what your point is. Strome play with Panarin allowed the Rangers to split Zibanejad and Panarin and it started before Zibanejad got injured.

My point is playing Panarin with Ryan Strome, Ryan Spooner, Filip Chytil, Kevin Hayes, or any other moderately competent player (just naming some players they've had in recent years) was a better idea than playing him with Zibanejad and I've said this literally since the day they signed him. Coming into the year there was zero reason to think Strome would work with Panarin. He was coming off multiple bad offensive years (including his time with the Rangers the year before where he scored 1.3 pts/60). He was a third line quality player and it worked. There was no reason to think Panarin would work with Strome any better than he would work with Chytil or someone else (not Howden as he's too bad). It was just the first thing they put together and it "worked" because Panarin is one of the best players in the league and can work with most skilled players.

Stacking your two best players for regular shifts is just bad strategy. It means you have 60-70% of the ice time where your lineup is vastly weaker instead of guaranteeing you have one of the two on ice for like 60-70% of the tine. It works for teams like Boston who have other really strong players like Krejci/DeBrusk on the next line (Depending what you consider "work" as I'm pretty sure Pastrnak has better numbers with Krejci than Bergeron anyway) but it does not work for a team whose 2nd line would have been something like Kakko/Strome/Kreider and then a third line of Lemieux/Howden/Fast. The reason they split up Mika/Panarin isn't because they had Strome waiting in the wings it's because the team was too top heavy and needed more balance (and then Mika got hurt the next game so they stuck with it). Whether or not Strome was on the team that issue would have existed and they would have made the same change with someone else there.

Player Discussion - David Quinn Oct 19 2019. Before they even played Strome/Panarin together once.

 

[kovazub94]

My point is playing Panarin with Ryan Strome, Ryan Spooner, Filip Chytil, Kevin Hayes, or any other moderately competent player (just naming some players they've had in recent years) was a better idea than playing him with Zibanejad and I've said this literally since the day they signed him. Coming into the year there was zero reason to think Strome would work with Panarin. He was coming off multiple bad offensive years (including his time with the Rangers the year before where he scored 1.3 pts/60). He was a third line quality player and it worked. There was no reason to think Panarin would work with Strome any better than he would work with Chytil or someone else (not Howden as he's too bad). It was just the first thing they put together and it "worked" because Panarin is one of the best players in the league and can work with most skilled players.

Stacking your two best players for regular shifts is just bad strategy. It means you have 60-70% of the ice time where your lineup is vastly weaker instead of guaranteeing you have one of the two on ice for like 60-70% of the tine. It works for teams like Boston who have other really strong players like Krejci/DeBrusk on the next line (Depending what you consider "work" as I'm pretty sure Pastrnak has better numbers with Krejci than Bergeron anyway) but it does not work for a team whose 2nd line would have been something like Kakko/Strome/Kreider and then a third line of Lemieux/Howden/Fast. The reason they split up Mika/Panarin isn't because they had Strome waiting in the wings it's because the team was too top heavy and needed more balance (and then Mika got hurt the next game so they stuck with it). Whether or not Strome was on the team that issue would have existed and they would have made the same change with someone else there.

Player Discussion - David Quinn Oct 19 2019. Before they even played Strome/Panarin together once.

OMG. At least half the board probably thought the same way about splitting Zibanejad and Panarin so there’s nothing to pat yourself on the back for.

But the fact that it was Strome who earned that honor by producing at a 70 PPG/82 pace and you discounting this goes back to your thinking that just about anyone would be able to play with Panarin (or for that matter with Zibanejad too).

P.S. I lol’ed at listing Spooner.

 

[SA16]

OMG. At least half the board probably thought the same way about splitting Zibanejad and Panarin so there’s nothing to pat yourself on the back for.

But the fact that it was Strome who earned that honor by producing at a 70 PPG/82 pace and you discounting this goes back to your thinking that just about anyone would be able to play with Panarin (or for that matter with Zibanejad too).

P.S. I lol’ed at listing Spooner.

They didn't though. Take a look at the old threads. They wanted them together. It never made sense and was poor strategy. Strome did not earn the promotion to the top line. He had 0 goals, 4 assists, 9 shots, and 4 penalties in the first 7 games. He was just the first guy they tried to move up and Panarin kept producing because that is what he does.

 

[kovazub94]

They didn't though. Take a look at the old threads. They wanted them together. It never made sense and was poor strategy. Strome did not earn the promotion to the top line. He had 0 goals, 4 assists, 9 shots, and 4 penalties in the first 7 games. He was just the first guy they tried to move up and Panarin kept producing because that is what he does.

That Strome’s stat line could’ve been anyone on the Rangers but it doesn’t mean that ANYONE would’ve been able to turn it into 70 PPG/82 pace playing with Panarin.

 

[rangers1314]

Soderberg goes to CHI, 1/1.

 

[SA16]

That Strome’s stat line could’ve been anyone on the Rangers but it doesn’t mean that ANYONE would’ve been able to turn it into 70 PPG/82 pace playing with Panarin.

This conversation has somehow gotten off topic. I'm not bashing Strome here. I'm saying playing Panarin/Zibanejad together is a bad idea. I would rather play Strome (or Chytil) with Panarin than Zibanejad and I thought that way all along.

But I do disagree with the above. Strome barely scored at a higher rate with Panarin than noted 3rd/4th liner Jesper Fast. Strome scored 2.23 points/60 with him to Fasts 2.03 pts/60. That's a difference of 2.5 points in 700 mins (Strome's TOI). Strome scored way more points than Fast, of course, because he got the PP time.

 

[bobbop]

You know, we wouldn’t have this damn cap problem if we didn’t win the lottery and the chance to pick Lafreniere...

...Never mind

 

[Avery16]

 

[RGY]

So much for trying to win the cup. Probably didnt have much interest and/or didnt want to take less than what he thought he was worth.

 

[NYR Viper]

This team has problems that need to be fixed or developed. Having Strome at 2C for a year or two with proven chemistry with the teams MVP isnt one of them.

 

[RGY]

Soderberg goes to CHI, 1/1.

Can we get Brassard for 1 year @ $900k. Do it.

 

[Avery16]

This team has problems that need to be fixed or developed. Having Strome at 2C for a year or two with proven chemistry with the teams MVP isnt one of them.

he’s the fourth highest paid forward on a team that is against the cap and has forward depth issues. That’s a problem.

 

[RGY]

he’s the fourth highest paid forward on a team that is against the cap and has forward depth issues. That’s a problem.

I am by no means a Strome fan, but at $4.50 its kinda absurd to be complaining or pointing to him as a cause for the cap constraints.

 

[archanfelnsx]

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

You know, we wouldn’t have this damn cap problem if we didn’t win the lottery and the chance to pick Lafreniere...

...Never mind

Yeah Laf’s perf bonus allocation screwed us, Miller, and Barron....

Give Brassard PTO and Hutton if possible and call it a day

 

[bleedblue94]

Oh, people are still arguing about strome, need the season the start already so people can argue about something new like howden's usage...

 

[Avery16]

I am by no means a Strome fan, but at $4.50 its kinda absurd to be complaining or pointing to him as a cause for the cap constraints.

It is what it is. He is getting paid substantially more for the effects of the top-paid forward, and we aren't able to sign anyone else, or maybe even call up some kids to compete, because of it.