Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXI

[Thirty One]

In hindsight I would have rather had Staal and kept the 2nd rounder.

What’s your plan to shed $4 million in cap space?

 

[Savant]

What’s your plan to shed $4 million in cap space?

In hindsight, Not qualify Strome. Rangers definitely had a walk away price on him that was in the range of what they settled for. They aren’t going for it this year anyway so let Staal’s contract run out and keep the asset

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

In hindsight I would have rather had Staal and kept the 2nd rounder.

That 4.5m in cap space (after subtracting Johnson's AAV) helped us sign our RFAs

In hindsight, Not qualify Strome

So you rather have Staal than Strome+Johnson? Eh...

 

[Savant]

That 4.5m in cap space (after subtracting Johnson's AAV) helped us sign our RFAs



So you rather have Staal than Strome+Johnson? Eh...

I would rather have Staal and 2021 2nd than Strome and Johnson. Yes. Can’t forget the pick that we had to ship Detroit.

 

[Levitate]

I would rather have Staal and 2021 2nd than Strome and Johnson. Yes. Can’t forget the pick that we had to ship Detroit.

strome signed a 2 year deal and there's a decent chance he's flipped for more than a 2nd with the price certainty in his new contract and a clearer situation for the next year or so.
At least I would suspect that's the Rangers plan

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I would rather have Staal and 2021 2nd than Strome and Johnson. Yes. Can’t forget the pick that we had to ship Detroit.

I guess we disagree there then. I can't believe we reached a point where people prefer a magic bean and the worst defenseman in the NHL over Ryan Strome and Jack Johnson.

 

[TominNC]

In order to have that hole filled, you have to assume one of the following: a) Kakko or Gauthier take a big step. b) Lafreniere is ready to produce like a top-6 player and either he or Kreider are capable of doing it from the right wing. Those are two huge assumptions.

Kakko and Lafrieniere are playing anyway. If they don't perform the team isn't going anywhere anyway.

 

[Leetch3]

In hindsight, Not qualify Strome. Rangers definitely had a walk away price on him that was in the range of what they settled for. They aren’t going for it this year anyway so let Staal’s contract run out and keep the asset

and how are you replacing strome with no cap space?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

and how are you replacing strome with no cap space?

Just play the kids, I guess

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think people are forgetting about Hajek, i know he had a less than ideal season but he's still a young d that can skate, has size and can move the puck. It's entirely possible he's in the lineup as dmen generally take longer to find their footing in the nhl.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think people are forgetting about Hajek, i know he had a less than ideal season but he's still a young d that can skate, has size and can move the puck. It's entirely possible he's in the lineup as dmen generally take longer to find their footing in the nhl.

The problem with Hájek is that he has been trending in the wrong direction. I hope he recovers but he really hasn't been playing well in the past few weeks which worries me

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I would rather have Staal and 2021 2nd than Strome and Johnson. Yes. Can’t forget the pick that we had to ship Detroit.

I think Gorton will recoup that 2nd round pick when he moves Strome.

Without Strome, we’re also forced to play Chytil in a role he very well might not be ready for. Howden is likely your 3C and Barron your 4C w/o Strome. Not a fan of that.

That 2nd round pick might be 3-4 years away from being an NHL player. Gorton 100% made the better choice here than keeping Staal and a 2nd and letting Strome walk.

I despise the JJ signing but it’s a 1 year contract and I feel he’ll be more of a #7 guy by the end of the season.

 

[Barnaby]

No I am not. I am saying I would rather have the cap space. There are very fine margins and that extra million makes a difference. No reason to stick your head in the sand about it.

There are teams that want to cut cap and if you can save them a million or so that might have been a good way to upgrade the team. The Johnson signing capped the Rangers out and locked the roster in. I would have rather had the flexibility.

There is no flexibility. This is what your not seeing. If it wasn’t JJ making a million then it’s someone else in that spot. If you were saying JJ was signed at 3 or 4 million when they could’ve added someone making 1 million then this makes sense.

If you think the Rangers were in any position to take on cap to get assets then I just don’t know if you’ve been paying attention. They had to trade a 2nd to dump Staal just to stay under the cap.

Staal makes significantly more than JJ.

edit: and let Strome walk? Your plan makes the team worse in the present and future.

 

[Barnaby]

A couple of ways I’ll do this:
- Watch other teams who play in a later time zone as well as my own.
- Watch other teams whenever your team has a day off.

Someone who works an avg amount of hrs and loves hockey should be able to do both of those completely fine

His point is valid when you’re discussing Winnipeg’s 7th defenseman and you act like you’ve studied his game over the course of the last 3 seasons.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think people are forgetting about Hajek, i know he had a less than ideal season but he's still a young d that can skate, has size and can move the puck. It's entirely possible he's in the lineup as dmen generally take longer to find their footing in the nhl.

He's a big dude who hasn't proven he can stay healthy yet. Since being Rangers property he's been injured 3/3 years. Sometimes players overcome that once they hit their mid-20s, other times not.

The other problem is there are literally three other young DMen he's going to have to fight for 1 to 2 spots. He can come into camp and outperform all of K. Miller/Reunenan/Robertson and also Johnson for playing time but things are not stacked in his favor.

My prediction is he's moved in April.

 

[Taluss]

His point is valid when you’re discussing Winnipeg’s 7th defenseman and you act like you’ve studied his game over the course of the last 3 seasons.

Yeah definitely agree with that

 

[Kendo]

I mean my point isn’t that I wanted another depth dman. My point is I would have rather had the cap space. The internal options are no worse than Johnson at this point.

Are you really that adamant about $75k? I mean...

In hindsight, Not qualify Strome. Rangers definitely had a walk away price on him that was in the range of what they settled for. They aren’t going for it this year anyway so let Staal’s contract run out and keep the asset

Strome fills a more needed role since our C depth after Zibs is dreadful without him. I still want to upgrade that role, though.

 

[Avery16]

I think Gorton will recoup that 2nd round pick when he moves Strome.

How much salary are we retaining in this deal

 

[FIRE DRURY]

How much salary are we retaining in this deal

Absolutely nothing. Get your head out of the gutters. Strome has value.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He's a big dude who hasn't proven he can stay healthy yet. Since being Rangers property he's been injured 3/3 years. Sometimes players overcome that once they hit their mid-20s, other times not.

The other problem is there are literally three other young DMen he's going to have to fight for 1 to 2 spots. He can come into camp and outperform all of K. Miller/Reunenan/Robertson and also Johnson for playing time but things are not stacked in his favor.

My prediction is he's moved in April.

I believe he gets a better chance at it than most are allowing, mostly because he's played at that level and we don't have exhibition games. None of the other young players have stepped their skate into an nhl game and in a normal year that might not make a difference but in a short year I think it does. But i do think that i agree with you in one area that he needs to show something or theyll move on, which is another reason i feel he gets a good chance at the roster spot to prove himself.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Hajek has played very little hockey these passed two seasons. At an age where he should be playing as much as possible.

Injuries can be a real pain in the ass for a young players development. He’s only 22 so he definitely has time to turn things around, but he’s definitely trending the wrong direction.

 

[egelband]

The problem with Hájek is that he has been trending in the wrong direction. I hope he recovers but he really hasn't been playing well in the past few weeks which worries me

My issue with Hajek is that he doesn’t really have a bailiwick. He’s not bad but he doesn’t stand out at all. He’s a bit vanilla, at least as far as I’ve seen.

 

[LannyMcdonald]

I think Gorton will recoup that 2nd round pick when he moves Strome.

Without Strome, we’re also forced to play Chytil in a role he very well might not be ready for. Howden is likely your 3C and Barron your 4C w/o Strome. Not a fan of that.

That 2nd round pick might be 3-4 years away from being an NHL player. Gorton 100% made the better choice here than keeping Staal and a 2nd and letting Strome walk.

I despise the JJ signing but it’s a 1 year contract and I feel he’ll be more of a #7 guy by the end of the season.

I don't even despise the signing, tho it appears I'm the only one. Depth at D is a good thing in normal years, even more against a compressed schedule and a pandemic. And he's a vet who understands the new asst coach's approach, who can mentor a very young group of blueliners. One cheap year. I see the wisdom.

 

[RGY]

I would rather have Staal and 2021 2nd than Strome and Johnson. Yes. Can’t forget the pick that we had to ship Detroit.

Ok and if Strome has another huge year next to Panarin, don’t you think you could get more for Strome than what we had to give up for Detroit to take Staal’s contract? I was all for moving on from Strome, but this type of thinking is wrong. I’d rather have Strome than Staal and the 2nd + the money it opened up that allowed us to re-sign our RFAs.

 

[SA16]

Ok and if Strome has another huge year next to Panarin, don’t you think you could get more for Strome than what we had to give up for Detroit to take Staal’s contract? I was all for moving on from Strome, but this type of thinking is wrong. I’d rather have Strome than Staal and the 2nd + the money it opened up that allowed us to re-sign our RFAs.

I don’t think Strome’s value will significantly change if he has another good offensive year playing with Panarin. Teams are already concerned that his production is a function of Panarin. Why would their opinions change if the exact same thing happens again?