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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXI

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TominNC said:
But our other D are mostly young and with experience can improve.
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That’s the beauty of a cheap vet on a 1 year deal. If you don’t feel the young guys are ready then JJ plays. If you feel they are then JJ sits which is better than another young guys sitting. In a condensed schedule then maybe you put the young guy in but regularly spell him in the lineup to keep him physically or mentally fresh.
 
Keep in mind, a guy like Lindgren goes out for 2 weeks and you could be talking about filling that lineup spot for 7-8 games. This is not a regular year. Depth will be more important than ever.
 
Barnaby said:
Didn’t they have the youngest team in the league last year? They also lost Fast. One or two vets to stabilize the bottom 6 isn’t a bad idea, especially someone that could add depth at center and PK. If the young guys all play so well that they get kicked to the wayside then great. My worry is that Shesterkin plays great, the defense improves, the top 6 puts up points, but a lack of forward depth sees them narrowly miss a playoff berth. I’m under no illusion that NYR are winning a cup this year, but a playoff series or two could go a long way toward development.
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Personally, I don't see the need pressing need to add bottom-6 guys. We have Chytil/Strome, Lemieux, Gauthier/Kakko, Howden to begin with. You've got 4-5 AAAA players, and at least 5 rookies who are possibilities to push for a spot. Obviously not all 5 of those are going to, but having that many means at least 1 or 2 are likely.

The real potential hole in the forward lineup is a top-6 RWer and you aren't going to solve that by signing Brian Boyle. Let me put it another way. Depth issues are going to be solved on this team by strengthening the top-6 and pushing players down, rather than adding players to the bottom-6 from outside.

I also think narrowly missing a playoff berth is still an acceptable outcome for this season.
 
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Kendo said:
We have at least five top-6 wingers. I don't see the potential hole there.
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In order to have that hole filled, you have to assume one of the following: a) Kakko or Gauthier take a big step. b) Lafreniere is ready to produce like a top-6 player and either he or Kreider are capable of doing it from the right wing. Those are two huge assumptions.
 
Barnaby said:
Are you really criticizing someone for not knowing the ins and outs of a player whose destined for the taxi squad with a whopping 30 games to his name whose about to turn 28?
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I do think you should know someone the Rangers signed to a 2 year deal, yes.
 
Uninstaaled said:
This is the biggest grasping of straws that has ever existed lmao.

Even with out Johnson, they wouldn't have space to weaponize. The bonus cushion IS a thing. There are many reasons to hate the Johnson signing, this is not one of them.
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It absolutely is. It takes a spot away from a guy and it hurts flexibility. That’s facts.
 
Barnaby said:
Someone has to play 3LD at the end of the day. If it’s not Johnson, then it’s someone else likely making as much or more so it’s not really “saving a million.” Even if he ends up being the 7D - how much are you saving paying someone else 900k over him? At the end of the day, it’s not like that’s allowing you to keep Fast or add another quality forward.

I’m not saying that I “love” the signing, but I don’t really take issue with it either.
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Johnson is not an upgrade over any other 3LD that was in house.
 
Vitto79 said:
I just feel fans just like to complain
He’s not terrible on the PK vs our other D. So as much as we think he sucks that means our other D stink too ?
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His analytics are a disaster and the eye test matches. As for the rest of the D stinking...it is certainly the biggest weakness on the team
 
Barnaby said:
Except they are paying someone to play his role anyway. Martin knows JJ. JD knows JJ. Apparently, they think he’s a worthy add for 1 year. Paying someone 900k to play over JJ at 1 million is not allowing you to “weaponize the cap.” Your portraying it as if he signed on for 4 million per.
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No I am not. I am saying I would rather have the cap space. There are very fine margins and that extra million makes a difference. No reason to stick your head in the sand about it.

There are teams that want to cut cap and if you can save them a million or so that might have been a good way to upgrade the team. The Johnson signing capped the Rangers out and locked the roster in. I would have rather had the flexibility.
 
Tawnos said:
Personally, I don't see the need pressing need to add bottom-6 guys. We have Chytil/Strome, Lemieux, Gauthier/Kakko, Howden to begin with. You've got 4-5 AAAA players, and at least 5 rookies who are possibilities to push for a spot. Obviously not all 5 of those are going to, but having that many means at least 1 or 2 are likely.

The real potential hole in the forward lineup is a top-6 RWer and you aren't going to solve that by signing Brian Boyle. Let me put it another way. Depth issues are going to be solved on this team by strengthening the top-6 and pushing players down, rather than adding players to the bottom-6 from outside.

I also think narrowly missing a playoff berth is still an acceptable outcome for this season.
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... and I think this is the most likely scenario that they finish 5-6 in the division. However, I'd like to give them the best chance possible to compete to the last days, if not make it in. I just don't want to see them sitting 14 points out with 10 games to go. You mentioned Chytil, Strome, Lemieux, Gauthier, and Kakko. Which of these guys are filling the important role of penalty killing? It's nice to have some AAAA guys in the organization, but I don't see this and reasonably expect them to make legitimate impacts.

I actually don't see top 6 RW as an immediate need. I fully expect to see Buch and Kakko in the top 6 at RW this season. Kravstov is also likely coming over next year so he's a long term possibility.
 
Savant said:
Johnson is not an upgrade over any other 3LD that was in house.
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Says you. Obviously the team feels differently. At best he's insurance and rides the bench because some young guys come in and impress. At worst he's your 3LD. He's depth. I guarantee you the Rangers run through a lot of defensemen this year with a condensed schedule, injuries, and players possibly missing games for CoVid. I don't see how Jack Johnson significantly impacts the roster. I really don't. If it wasn't him it'd be someone of that ilk. Not signing him in no way allows you to 'weaponize the cap,' as you stated before.
 
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Tawnos said:
In order to have that hole filled, you have to assume one of the following: a) Kakko or Gauthier take a big step. b) Lafreniere is ready to produce like a top-6 player and either he or Kreider are capable of doing it from the right wing. Those are two huge assumptions.
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Even if they dont make that leap this season the slots should be available to allow them to develop into it.
 
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Tawnos said:
Personally, I don't see the need pressing need to add bottom-6 guys. We have Chytil/Strome, Lemieux, Gauthier/Kakko, Howden to begin with. You've got 4-5 AAAA players, and at least 5 rookies who are possibilities to push for a spot. Obviously not all 5 of those are going to, but having that many means at least 1 or 2 are likely.

The real potential hole in the forward lineup is a top-6 RWer and you aren't going to solve that by signing Brian Boyle. Let me put it another way. Depth issues are going to be solved on this team by strengthening the top-6 and pushing players down, rather than adding players to the bottom-6 from outside.

I also think narrowly missing a playoff berth is still an acceptable outcome for this season.
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Not enough sandpaper
 
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This season, more than any I can remember is going to be all about depth. Teams that can plug guys in without missing a beat will have an advantage. Covid, injuries due to shortened pre-season, and playing rivals every game may turn things into a war of attrition at some point. You never know what can happen, but my biggest goal is to just enjoy watching Laff, Kakko, Fox, Shesty and other young players grow.
 
Savant said:
I mean if you choose to see it that way it’s your agenda.
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lol he has a cap hit that can be almost cleared completely if he’s waived and he won’t block K’andre if the rangers deem him ready.

again if the discussion is whether or not the money could have been used on a different player the sure, that’s a convo worth having. in terms of active players who he’s an upgrade on, that number is less than 5, and one of them is a guy we just traded to Detroit.


he isn’t going to take away the FO’s flexibility (which as mentioned, they can get back all of his cap hit or just about by waiving him,) or block a young guy. That’s just stupid.
 
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Savant said:
Hajek? Bitetto?

not even taking into account guys like Miller and Reunanen who might also be ready.
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None of those are proven NHLers

Hájek struggled heavily all season, Bitetto is an AHLer and fringe 7th D at best, Reunanen is unproven and Miller is coming off a mediocre sophomore college season at age 20.
 
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