Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXXI

[FartMilk]

You are correct, sir.

I understand if we are unable to make a beneficial move that would require $75k in cap space, but that's such a highly specific case that doesn't exist, therefore I don't care that we singed JMFJ for $1.15m.

And I doubt Gorton would let that small of an amount of money interfere with serious roster decisions.

 

[Barnaby]

Nobody signs because of the tax thing. It’s a negligible difference in most cases.

I disagree on that. Sure, NY vs Philly might be negligible but NY vs FL, TX, or NV sure isn’t. If you’re talking about a long term deal then that could really add up.

 

[TominNC]

Johnson's contract is for 1 year. It does not limit us in how we construct the team. He's insurance in case our prospects don't make the team

Still, he's the worst defenseman in the league. By definition we could have waited until the last minute and signed literally anyone left over.

 

[Savant]

Not to pile on Johnson, but I think the majority of people would have rather had the cap space as it is very tight and Johnson has shown no recent evidence that he is better over any other 3LD that they could have throw out there. Doesn’t seem like a big hit, but that extra million would be pretty nifty right no. Not say thing they should have signed Haula, but that could have helped them make a trade too. My problem with Johnson is that he is a waste of money, even if on the surface it’s not a lot of money.

 

[FartMilk]

Not to pile on Johnson, but I think the majority of people would have rather had the cap space as it is very tight and Johnson has shown no recent evidence that he is better over any other 3LD that they could have throw out there. Doesn’t seem like a big hit, but that extra million would be pretty nifty right no. Not say thing they should have signed Haula, but that could have helped them make a trade too. My problem with Johnson is that he is a waste of money, even if on the surface it’s not a lot of money.

Dolan's problem.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Would be great to see them shit the bed and not make the playoffs. f***.That.Team. And their smug coach.

That division is shit, Tampa even without Kucherov runs away with it easily.

 

[SA16]

That division is shit, Tampa even without Kucherov runs away with it easily.

Not so sure they’re better than Carolina without Kucherov

 

[Savant]

Not so sure they’re better than Carolina without Kucherov

Carolina will go as far as Mrazek can take them

 

[Mikos87]

I disagree on that. Sure, NY vs Philly might be negligible but NY vs FL, TX, or NV sure isn’t. If you’re talking about a long term deal then that could really add up.

You're a gentleman.

 

[Vitto79]

Carolina will go as far as Mrazek can take them

still not sure why they didn’t go for Fluery for say Reimer. I get the extra year on the contract but he should be able to platoon w Mrazek at worst

 

[TheBloodyNine]

One thing I will never understand on this board after lurking for over ten years is the constant arguing over bottom six players, especially fourth liners. Or when someone flips out about overpaying one by like $50,000.

This team needs veterans. A year of Martin or Chara ain't gonna f***ing break the camel's back.

We have vets already.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

By 2021 Tennessee is state tax free

Oh, they phased it out? Interesting.

 

[Vitto79]

Not to pile on Johnson, but I think the majority of people would have rather had the cap space as it is very tight and Johnson has shown no recent evidence that he is better over any other 3LD that they could have throw out there. Doesn’t seem like a big hit, but that extra million would be pretty nifty right no. Not say thing they should have signed Haula, but that could have helped them make a trade too. My problem with Johnson is that he is a waste of money, even if on the surface it’s not a lot of money.

we are talking very minimal cap space plus whether we like it or not the new D coach Martin likes the guy to help teach his system

it’s 1 yr and kids could take his minutes still

 

[Savant]

we are talking very minimal cap space plus whether we like it or not the new D coach Martin likes the guy to help teach his system

it’s 1 yr and kids could take his minutes still

I don’t really buy into that. It’s minimal cap space on the surface, but with the Rangers wanting to maintain a cushion, it’s a lot tighter than it needed to be. I don’t really look at it as it’s just a million. I look at it as the difference between trading a 5 million dollar player for a 6 million dollar player (for example). Everyone in the league wants to dump cap right now. The Rangers could have made an advantageous trade if they could have weaponized some extra space. Jack Johnson was not a needed signing. And I am not signing a guy because a first year assistant coach is telling me to, especially someone that was that bad in a system that the player, according to you, is being brought on to teach. It would have been better to have the flexibility

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t really buy into that. It’s minimal cap space on the surface, but with the Rangers wanting to maintain a cushion, it’s a lot tighter than it needed to be. I don’t really look at it as it’s just a million. I look at it as the difference between trading a 5 million dollar player for a 6 million dollar player (for example). Everyone in the league wants to dump cap right now. The Rangers could have made an advantageous trade if they could have weaponized some extra space. Jack Johnson was not a needed signing. And I am not signing a guy because a first year assistant coach is telling me to, especially someone that was that bad in a system that the player, according to you, is being brought on to teach. It would have been better to have the flexibility

This is the biggest grasping of straws that has ever existed lmao.

Even with out Johnson, they wouldn't have space to weaponize. The bonus cushion IS a thing. There are many reasons to hate the Johnson signing, this is not one of them.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is the biggest grasping of straws that has ever existed lmao.

Even with out Johnson, they wouldn't have space to weaponize. The bonus cushion IS a thing. There are many reasons to hate the Johnson signing, this is not one of them.

If you replace Johnson with an ELC (Reunanen), you still only have 1.1m in cap space. That's not going to be enough to sign a guy like Haula

What is holding us back is the $12,994,444 in dead cap and $3,950,000 in bonus cushion penalties

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

People do realize that if Johnson isn't on the roster, someone else would be, right? I mean, it's not that $1.1MM is suddenly freed up; it goes to pay whoever else plays 3LD.

If you fire JJ into the sun and play K'Andre instead, you save a whopping... $225K.

(And in fact, if Miller blows the doors off in camp, that may be what happens. With the taxi squads, they're unlikely to carry more than 20 active players.)

 

[Barnaby]

We have vets already.

Didn’t they have the youngest team in the league last year? They also lost Fast. One or two vets to stabilize the bottom 6 isn’t a bad idea, especially someone that could add depth at center and PK. If the young guys all play so well that they get kicked to the wayside then great. My worry is that Shesterkin plays great, the defense improves, the top 6 puts up points, but a lack of forward depth sees them narrowly miss a playoff berth. I’m under no illusion that NYR are winning a cup this year, but a playoff series or two could go a long way toward development.

 

[Barnaby]

Maybe you should have kept up with the Rangers free agent signings then? Bragging that you don't know him isn't really something to be proud of.

Are you really criticizing someone for not knowing the ins and outs of a player whose destined for the taxi squad with a whopping 30 games to his name whose about to turn 28?

 

[Barnaby]

Not to pile on Johnson, but I think the majority of people would have rather had the cap space as it is very tight and Johnson has shown no recent evidence that he is better over any other 3LD that they could have throw out there. Doesn’t seem like a big hit, but that extra million would be pretty nifty right no. Not say thing they should have signed Haula, but that could have helped them make a trade too. My problem with Johnson is that he is a waste of money, even if on the surface it’s not a lot of money.

Someone has to play 3LD at the end of the day. If it’s not Johnson, then it’s someone else likely making as much or more so it’s not really “saving a million.” Even if he ends up being the 7D - how much are you saving paying someone else 900k over him? At the end of the day, it’s not like that’s allowing you to keep Fast or add another quality forward.

I’m not saying that I “love” the signing, but I don’t really take issue with it either.

 

[TominNC]

Didn’t they have the youngest team in the league last year? They also lost Fast. One or two vets to stabilize the bottom 6 isn’t a bad idea, especially someone that could add depth at center and PK. If the young guys all play so well that they get kicked to the wayside then great. My worry is that Shesterkin plays great, the defense improves, the top 6 puts up points, but a lack of forward depth sees them narrowly miss a playoff berth. I’m under no illusion that NYR are winning a cup this year, but a playoff series or two could go a long way toward development.

We have a top 9 if they separate the vets and youth. They have depth. A 3rd line of Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier would be tough for most 3rd lines to handle. We have enough for a working 4th line. There would be vets on all the lines. I don't see the need to waste space on old guys in a year where making the playoffs is a nice goal but not a must have.

 

[Vitto79]

I don’t really buy into that. It’s minimal cap space on the surface, but with the Rangers wanting to maintain a cushion, it’s a lot tighter than it needed to be. I don’t really look at it as it’s just a million. I look at it as the difference between trading a 5 million dollar player for a 6 million dollar player (for example). Everyone in the league wants to dump cap right now. The Rangers could have made an advantageous trade if they could have weaponized some extra space. Jack Johnson was not a needed signing. And I am not signing a guy because a first year assistant coach is telling me to, especially someone that was that bad in a system that the player, according to you, is being brought on to teach. It would have been better to have the flexibility

I just feel fans just like to complain
He’s not terrible on the PK vs our other D. So as much as we think he sucks that means our other D stink too ?

 

[Barnaby]

I don’t really buy into that. It’s minimal cap space on the surface, but with the Rangers wanting to maintain a cushion, it’s a lot tighter than it needed to be. I don’t really look at it as it’s just a million. I look at it as the difference between trading a 5 million dollar player for a 6 million dollar player (for example). Everyone in the league wants to dump cap right now. The Rangers could have made an advantageous trade if they could have weaponized some extra space. Jack Johnson was not a needed signing. And I am not signing a guy because a first year assistant coach is telling me to, especially someone that was that bad in a system that the player, according to you, is being brought on to teach. It would have been better to have the flexibility

Except they are paying someone to play his role anyway. Martin knows JJ. JD knows JJ. Apparently, they think he’s a worthy add for 1 year. Paying someone 900k to play over JJ at 1 million is not allowing you to “weaponize the cap.” Your portraying it as if he signed on for 4 million per.

 

[TominNC]

I just feel fans just like to complain
He’s not terrible on the PK vs our other D. So as much as we think he sucks that means our other D stink too ?

But our other D are mostly young and with experience can improve.

 

[Barnaby]

We have a top 9 if they separate the vets and youth. They have depth. A 3rd line of Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier would be tough for most 3rd lines to handle. We have enough for a working 4th line. There would be vets on all the lines. I don't see the need to waste space on old guys in a year where making the playoffs is a nice goal but not a must have.

Im talking about a cheap 1 year bargain contract for depth or two. Gauthier may not take the next step. I’m still not 100% sold on Chytil at center. If he performs better on wing then I’d like the option to put him there. Howden is Howden. One injury to Zibby or Strome gives us a terribly weak center core. This team could not kill penalties last year and just lost Fast. I’d just like to see a littlE more depth for this condensed schedule.