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Speculation: Roster Building Thread LXIV: Less than 24 hours till draft time

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SA16 said:
I don't know how they actually consider this but the maximum possible bonuses is likely lower than just summing them all up. For example, Shesterkin and Lafreniere cannot both win the Calder trophy.
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Possibly. These are the bonuses for the Calder:

(iv) A Player who finishes among the top three (3) in balloting for the Calder shall receive the following bonus amounts (no individually negotiated "excess" allowed):
Winner $212,500
2nd $150,000
3rd $100,000
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So in theory, if you have 2 players eligible for this bonus, the max is $362,500, not $425,000, because they can't both come in 1st. I don't know if they actually take that into account when calculating the totals though.
 
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Trxjw said:
I'm sure it's a big factor. To get AP they absolutely have to get out from under the Fleury contract. It's a huge contract coming in with no money going out. At least with ADA it's likely they'd send some money back to the Rangers.

The problem for them is moving Fleury with 50% retention doesn't get them anywhere close to the space they need for Pietrangelo. They're right up against the cap with Stephenson and Cousins to sign. Two guys they seem to really like.
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I'm not convinced that he doesn't circle back with St Louis to get something hammered out.
 
NYRangers0723 said:
So what do you guys think will happen with Strome. The fact that he wasn’t Qualified is very telling. I admit I was never big in Strome because I felt he obviously benefited from playing with Panarin and whenever he wasn’t with him he looked lost. I wasn’t opposed to keeping him on a short term deal but it doesn’t look likely now
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Some people were dazzled by Panarin rubbing off on Strome. I'm glad our FO seems to not be among them.
 
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The impetus is on VGK to do a Marleau deal on the floor for a 1st and call it a day. I don't think 1st and 2nd is feasible. Maybe 1st plus 4th or something. I think we'll see it tonight.
 
There may not even be an AHL season this year anyway. if you've been reading the tea leaves the league is pretty much said they can't operate without fans in the stands, right now most of the whole cities wouldn't be able to have fans in the stands, and some NHL executives have already alluded to the fact that without the AHL playing this year you may see NHL rosters expanded to allow teams to carry somewhere around 30 players. I think those things all kind of point to the fact that the AHL may not have a season. Whoever brought up the idea of players coming in inside and out of the bubbles brings up a good point that backs the idea of just expanding the rosters for the NHL. Also if the NHL is going to get a late start, later in what they originally planned, Then they're going to be playing a very compacted schedule. That means you're going to have more injuries and such, so bottom lines may become a place to cycle players in on a game by game basis. The only way the AHL can really operate this year is if the NHL agrees to subsidize losses for it or if the AHL operates within the same bubble cities at the NHL does. Neither option really makes very much sense
 
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If teams know the Rangers are not going to qualify Strome, why are they trading for him instead of just taking their shot once he is deemed a UFA? They'd basically be trading away his negotiating rights, yet once UFA starts, even though he is a RFA, he'd be allowed to talk to other teams anyway so those rights are probably not worth much.
 
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Avery16 said:
Some people were dazzled by Panarin rubbing off on Strome. I'm glad our FO seems to not be among them

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Yeah I’m glad too. I like Strome but let’s be honest Panarin was carrying him to a lot of points. When you see Strome Seperated from Panarin or even just on the PP it’s not pretty
 
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NYR Viper said:
I think what you're missing is that there is a BIG gap between wanting player here long term and letting him walk for nothing. Lots to work with in that space
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well, that's part of the rights afforded to Strome as an arbitration-eligible RFA. We don't have the flexibility to sign him at whatever number works best for us. Decisions have to be made about the roster as a whole.
 
NYR Viper said:
Marleau had 1 year left, MAF has 2
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I know but I just can't see a team moving a 1st and a 2nd. The solution might be worse than the problem at that price. Marleau was an overpay as we all saw with a 2nd for Staal. Dubas was bent over a wheel barrel on the day of the draft. Whichever team is considering will take 1st + a later pick imo.
 
GoAwayStaal said:
I'm not convinced that he doesn't circle back with St Louis to get something hammered out.
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I could see it but it means St Louis moving off of their norm for contract structure. Might not be a precedent they want to set going forward. I thought I saw some talk that folks felt Vegas was AP's top choice outside of St Louis, so you gotta think they'd try pretty damn hard to make it work.
 
Off Sides said:
Thanks, I overlooked that.

So it would have to be some other players. The only ones who have possible bonus money, and are waiver exempt. Kakko (~2.6m), Fox (850K) Chytil (350k) Shesterkin (2.85M)

Like I said I doubt the Rangers go that route if it comes to it, not only would it look bad but the players would not deserve it.
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Chytil is waiver exempt for another 7 games
 
The Rangers could have a multi-year contract on the table to Strome, which will make him more attractive to teams like Ottawa and are threatening to not qualify him. I know people think that going to UFA is a positive for a player like Strome but I'm not sure that is the case. With so much uncertainty, teams with internal caps, other RFA's non-qualified, etc I'm not sure the Strome camp wants to jump in those waters. Especially given how odd it would look given the team who he was on pace for 70 points with didn't even extend the qualifying offer to him...
 
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Kupo said:
Yup - I guessed this.

Right now, if you’re the Rangers GM and you have an opportunity to extend ADA and move Fox for Zegras....

Do you pull the trigger...?

I do not want to move Fox - but at the end of the day every player has a price. If the offers on ADA are garbage, but I can get arguably the best Center prospect in the NHL for Fox, I pull that trigger as painful as it is..

I’ve been drinking and I’m posting a very improbable scenario — but, it’s something that crossed my mind and wanted to hear some of your thoughts. So far, you actually answered my question, where other posters posted the garbage response I kind of expected.
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Dude, you’re working your ass off!
 
NYR Viper said:
I think what you're missing is that there is a BIG gap between wanting player here long term and letting him walk for nothing. Lots to work with in that space
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Lots of teams have guys they aren't qualifying. The teams with cap space are just biding their team to see what players shake loose. Why trade for Strome if he'll be available as a UFA at a lower AAV? If the Rangers end up qualifying, they can still trade for him later.
 
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McRanger said:
I'm hoping we re-sign Strome just to avoid hearing about how we traded away the "Strome-Panarin chemistry" when Panarin inevitably paces less than the crazy 110+ points he had this season.
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The Ignore feature is a lot less expensive than 4+ million to Strome and the ramifications that will have on the rest of our roster. The 'Strome carried Panarin' crowd is a known entity and decidedly finite in number.
 
Tob said:
I know but I just can't see a team moving a 1st and a 2nd. The solution might be worse than the problem at that price. Marleau was an overpay as we all saw with a 2nd for Staal. Dubas was bent over a wheel barrel on the day of the draft. Whichever team is considering will take 1st + a later pick imo.
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Based on Vegas' window, I'm not sure they want to sit on that MAF deal. $12m to goalies is insane.

Also, the Marleau contract was 35+ so Carolina had to take the entire cap hit even though he was bought out. That's a negative for most teams beyond what Staal was/is. Plus Staal can play in Detroit and probably return a late round pick at the deadline as a 'vet'.

If I were a team like Chicago, I'd say I want:

MAF @ 60% cap hit + LV 1st '20

or

MAF @ 100% cap hit + LV 1st '20 + NJ 2nd '21
 
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NYR Viper said:
The Rangers could have a multi-year contract on the table to Strome, which will make him more attractive to teams like Ottawa and are threatening to not qualify him. I know people think that going to UFA is a positive for a player like Strome but I'm not sure that is the case. With so much uncertainty, teams with internal caps, other RFA's non-qualified, etc I'm not sure the Strome camp wants to jump in those waters. Especially given how odd it would look given the team who he was on pace for 70 points with didn't even extend the qualifying offer to him...
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I think the only way Strome has any value at all on a multi-year to other teams is if the AAV is close to what he is making now. I don't see that shaking out.
 
McRanger said:
I'm hoping we re-sign Strome just to avoid hearing about how we traded away the "Strome-Panarin chemistry" when Panarin inevitably paces less than the crazy 110+ points he had this season.
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singnblues and trueblue already have the posts locked and loaded if they dont and he doesnt.
 
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