Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

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If the Rangers are having Zibanejad take any sort of difficult matchups, they are gonna have a tough time winning in the postseason. He had a dreadful season defensively and is IMO pretty overrated in that regard. Investing $8M+ in a guy who is a big question mark in terms of his ability to play well in all situations and in all different styles of games seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

Agreed, they must build a match-up line around Panarin. Dandenault and not the least Gallagher provides that for MTL. MTL is a hard team to play against largely thanks to those two. It’s not size nor top end ability, but great engine, speed, smaller guys who are like glue on the puck. It’s just very very effective.

Tampa got Point, Gourde, Cirelli and Johnson in that mold.

Robert Thomas is a guy who fit that mold IMO. There are others. We need size and grit, but this is also a player type we lack.
 
If the Rangers are having Zibanejad take any sort of difficult matchups, they are gonna have a tough time winning in the postseason. He had a dreadful season defensively and is IMO pretty overrated in that regard. Investing $8M+ in a guy who is a big question mark in terms of his ability to play well in all situations and in all different styles of games seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
IIRC he’s never really been good defensively. It’s a reputation he only earned because coaches play him on the penalty kill.
 
IIRC he’s never really been good defensively. It’s a reputation he only earned because coaches play him on the penalty kill.

That's why I worry about Zibby and Strome. We saw how Matthews and Marner disappeared in the playoffs when things got tough. I honestly think the same would happen to Zibby and Strome. Kakko on the other hand is the opposite.
 
That's why I worry about Zibby and Strome. We saw how Matthews and Marner disappeared in the playoffs when things got tough. I honestly think the same would happen to Zibby and Strome. Kakko on the other hand is the opposite.

Sadly id be more worried about Zib than Strome, Strome has a little more bite to him. I mean in the bubble he was the only one who stepped up to fight to try and swing some sort of momentum our way. If i was running this team id be looking for a 1c and just keep strome and teach Chytil to be a shut down C.
 
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Sadly id be more worried about Zib than Strome, Strome has a little more bite to him. I mean in the bubble he was the only one who stepped up to fight to try and swing some sort of momentum our way. If i was running this team id be looking for a 1c and just keep strome and teach Chytil to be a shut down C.
Strome’s compete level is trash. He hardly ever finishes checks. He quite often just does the drive by on a forecheck and turning back towards his own net. Great he fought old man Williams in the Carolina series and like the rest of the team fought in that circus Washington game. Strome has no bite.

Strome isn’t a center. Chytil isn’t a center. This team needs legitimate centers that know how to play the position, on both sides of the puck.
 
Sadly id be more worried about Zib than Strome, Strome has a little more bite to him. I mean in the bubble he was the only one who stepped up to fight to try and swing some sort of momentum our way. If i was running this team id be looking for a 1c and just keep strome and teach Chytil to be a shut down C.

Strome is a much worse two way player than Zib. It isn't even close.
 
I think the point the poster is trying to make is that Strome visibly ups his compete level in big games.

Zibby is unquestionably the 1C, but we could do a lot worse than Strome as the second line center.

I think adding Danault to those two would give us the complete package
 
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No doubt. I loved Fast. Shouldn't have consistently been on the second but was a great third liner who could help fill in at the second line every now and then. His work along the boards is missed.

And nobody has replaced Hagelin's speed in the bottom 6.

well Kreider is going to be bottom 6 if Laf produces

I agree they could use a C in the bottom 6
 
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I think the point the poster is trying to make is that Strome visibly ups his compete level in big games.

Zibby is unquestionably the 1C, but we could do a lot worse than Strome as the second line center.

I think adding Danault to those two would give us the complete package

Can't afford all three long term (when the kids are ready to contend and run out of ELC).
 
I think the point the poster is trying to make is that Strome visibly ups his compete level in big games.

Zibby is unquestionably the 1C, but we could do a lot worse than Strome as the second line center.

I think adding Danault to those two would give us the complete package

He does? I haven't seen any evidence of that. In fact, he's been as invisible as anyone else in big games.
 
Strome seems like a charismatic guy and a big presence behind the scenes (probably mostly in a good way, though he did tell the press "Coach Quinn told us to zig but...we zagged lmao") but I don't trust his game enough to go long on a big contract with him. He's officially a vet now, but he's bad at the same things young players are typically bad at. I bring this up half as a joke but maybe he'd go for a sweetheart deal if we finagled his misfit brother out of Chicago?

Zib's two-way game was noticeable to me in the early period of the season where he looked legitimately cursed. I think the team overall was getting goalied and the xG stuff looked prettier than it did in the second half, save the games against our friend Alain. The dude was coming off of covid, he obviously wasn't scoring, but he was backchecking and competing. He looked like the same athlete he always was but he was boofing 3 perfect powerplay setups a game.
 
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He does? I haven't seen any evidence of that. In fact, he's been as invisible as anyone else in big games.

Our sample size is pretty small but if my memory serves I’ve seen better effort in the defensive zone and on the forecheck in important moments.

If he was asked to play a more blue collar role I think he would, but his role is to play pretty hockey with Panarin while the RW does the plumbing
 
Can't afford all three long term (when the kids are ready to contend and run out of ELC).
I think it depends, but I’ve said before I would want to avoid a NMC for Strome so that he could be moved out if and when it is necessary for cap purposes.

He might have to go a season before Kreider or Troubas NMCs become NTCs if my math is right
 
Our sample size is pretty small but if my memory serves I’ve seen better effort in the defensive zone and on the forecheck in important moments.

If he was asked to play a more blue collar role I think he would, but his role is to play pretty hockey with Panarin while the RW does the plumbing

I see that as lazy coaching, a proper one would not tolerate defensive coasting.
 
I see that as lazy coaching, a proper one would not tolerate defensive coasting.
Gaborik coasted for years under Tortorella, I think the argument is that Strome doesn’t have enough raw skill to warrant it. He also clearly is smart enough to know better
 
Gaborik coasted for years under Tortorella, I think the argument is that Strome doesn’t have enough raw skill to warrant it. He also clearly is smart enough to know better

That's why he isn't rated as top center. Strome and Panarin together is a headache, not a strength.

Zib, Strome and Danault forces Chytil out. The team does not yet know what it has in him, if he, like say Roope Hintz, finds a two way game in a couple of years he will be much more valuable than Strome is now.
 
That's why I worry about Zibby and Strome. We saw how Matthews and Marner disappeared in the playoffs when things got tough. I honestly think the same would happen to Zibby and Strome. Kakko on the other hand is the opposite.

Strome is expendable while the other names are borderline or actual franchise players. I don’t see the connection. Who wouldn’t be shocked by a Strome disappearing act in the playoffs when we’ve see it during the regular season?
 
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Strome is expendable while the other names are borderline or actual franchise players. I don’t see the connection. Who wouldn’t be shocked by Strome disappearing act in the playoffs when we’ve see it during the regular season?

True. But none of them seem to have the Mackinnon mentality of playing through contact or Rantanen's ability along the boards ie all four players are not really built for the playoffs. Not really a size thing. Point, Kucherov, Kane are small but they up their games and fight with everything they have.
 
True. But none of them seem to have the Mackinnon mentality of playing through contact or Rantanen's ability along the boards ie all four players are not really built for the playoffs. Not really a size thing. Point, Kucherov, Kane are small but they up their games and fight with everything they have.

i think Laf is our guy and we’ll see him emerge next season
 
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Strome is expendable while the other names are borderline or actual franchise players. I don’t see the connection. Who wouldn’t be shocked by Strome disappearing act in the playoffs when we’ve see it during the regular season?
If anything I’d be more surprised if Strome dosen’t disappear in the playoffs.

He’s not a player you win with, full stop
 
Our sample size is pretty small but if my memory serves I’ve seen better effort in the defensive zone and on the forecheck in important moments.

If he was asked to play a more blue collar role I think he would, but his role is to play pretty hockey with Panarin while the RW does the plumbing
He was awful down the stretch before covid hit last season, making brutal mistakes when the team needed wins. This year, after his disaster first month plus, he was a good 2nd line player for the most part, but in that last week or so he, like Panarin and Zibanejad, disappeared completely. Oh sorry, he fought someone on Washington...

Strome is a middle 6 player who belongs on the wing. I think if he was playing the wing on the 3rd line I would have much less of a problem with him, however, he doesn’t play that blue collar game so that would be a problem when you are trying to build a pain in the ass team to play against. He never has. I dont know why anyone would think if he was asked that he would just morph into that player. And he is also quite terrible in his own end defensively, no matter what the importance of the game is.

The problem for Strome is he is just too much of the same. More concerned with the finesse and flare of offensive play. And unfortunately you can only have so many of those players before needing more diversity in the lineup. You arent getting rid of Panarin. And if it came down to it I am choosing Zibanejad every time over Strome. Kreider isnt going anywhere. Lafreniere isnt. Kakko very likely isnt. Chytil and Buch could. But you need so much more grit and fight in this lineup. Really Strome, Buch, and Chytil could all end up going this offseason and depending on the return the team would be better for it. They may have a subtraction in offensive numbers but if it mean an increase in W’s who cares.
 
If anything I’d be more surprised if Strome dosen’t disappear in the playoffs.

He’s not a player you win with, full stop
“Not a player you win with” is in my mind a meaningless platitude. Lecavalier had the same criticism leveled against him. Teams win or lose games. To suggest having one player is a deal breaker for a cup is silly
 
He was awful down the stretch before covid hit last season, making brutal mistakes when the team needed wins. This year, after his disaster first month plus, he was a good 2nd line player for the most part, but in that last week or so he, like Panarin and Zibanejad, disappeared completely. Oh sorry, he fought someone on Washington...

Strome is a middle 6 player who belongs on the wing. I think if he was playing the wing on the 3rd line I would have much less of a problem with him, however, he doesn’t play that blue collar game so that would be a problem when you are trying to build a pain in the ass team to play against. He never has. I dont know why anyone would think if he was asked that he would just morph into that player. And he is also quite terrible in his own end defensively, no matter what the importance of the game is.

The problem for Strome is he is just too much of the same. More concerned with the finesse and flare of offensive play. And unfortunately you can only have so many of those players before needing more diversity in the lineup. You arent getting rid of Panarin. And if it came down to it I am choosing Zibanejad every time over Strome. Kreider isnt going anywhere. Lafreniere isnt. Kakko very likely isnt. Chytil and Buch could. But you need so much more grit and fight in this lineup. Really Strome, Buch, and Chytil could all end up going this offseason and depending on the return the team would be better for it. They may have a subtraction in offensive numbers but if it mean an increase in W’s who cares.

I think if there is a future here for Strome it is on the right wing of Panarins line with a guy like Danault or Chytil in the middle.

I do think both he and Buch are the mostly likely guys to be gone this offseason though.
 
“Not a player you win with” is in my mind a meaningless platitude. Lecavalier had the same criticism leveled against him. Teams win or lose games. To suggest having one player is a deal breaker for a cup is silly
Well obviously one player isn’t going to make or break for a cup but with his play if you have him playing 2C for your team you’re not winning anything.

And for the price he’s redundant. Chytil can produce at the same rate for half the price if given the minutes
 
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