LaffyTaffyNYR
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STL prob wouldn’t trade him unless they don’t think they can win in these next 2 guaranteed years with him
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STL prob wouldn’t trade him unless they don’t think they can win in these next 2 guaranteed years with him
It also doesn't seem like such an important thing to fixate on.
The last 10 cup winners top 5 forwards in playoff ATOI (23 and under):
2020 - 2
2019 - 0
2018 - 1
2017 - 1
2016 - 0
2015 - 1
2014 - 0
2013 - 1
2012 - 0
2011 - 2
LaffyTaffyNYR
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Barron should at least be a NHL quality bottom six player
Would never pay strome that deal. I want him out as much as the next guy. But I’d rather go the trade route to get a younger center that does things Danault does but is cheaper money wise and maybe a little less established. I’m not happy to be trading assets, but we have a solid amount, we’ll be adding at least another 2 solid prospects from the draft this year, hopefully more and whatever return we get for Strome and Buchnevich will most likely involve further young/player or draft capital
Give me a Dvorak, a Lindholm, a guy like Norris, etc before I give Danault around 7 mill til he’s 33-34 any day
Odds are as each day passes, best case scenario, we’re looking at extending Zibby for 9-9.5 maybe more for about 6 years
If we’re going to go the established Vet route over the young up and comer, maybe we can steal Krecji on a 2-year deal and prolong finished product a bit until a suitable long term replacement comes along. Or maybe Chytil takes the reins or is dealt in a package deal for an upgrade
I just know with they talent we are going to have locked up at wing, and the massive amount of cash that’s going to go flying out the door I sure as shit don’t want zibby/Danault or Zibby/ Strome locked up for those kinds of numbers
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LaffyTaffyNYR
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Who said the Rangers can’t do both trade for and stockpile? If they trade for a center that likely means Strome goes for players and/or picks, the same with Buchnevich if they don’t want to sign him long term and they want to move up Kakko and Kravtsov
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Panarin will be here another 5 years. If he stays on his game I bet he even extends after that.
Zibanejad, or another center, will be here long term as well.
Kreider will probably be here another 3 seasons. Happy belated 30th birthday to him.
That's seven top 6 forwards to build around assuming all four kids you listed stick around. Strome and Buchnevich are TBD, but they won't be traded for nothing if they are traded.
Barron has a shot at becoming a top 9 level player. Pajuniemi, Cuylle, Vierling, Berard all have outside shots at the NHL.
Most top teams have important players in their 30's. Colorado is kind of an odd exception.
I think we are overstressing because it's going to be a long offseason.
Agreed. Finding the next Hagelin or Fast would do wonders for this team as well.
haohmaru
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Two guys the Rangers should've had in the "keep" pile instead of the "trade" pile.
No doubt. I loved Fast. Shouldn't have consistently been on the second but was a great third liner who could help fill in at the second line every now and then. His work along the boards is missed.
And nobody has replaced Hagelin's speed in the bottom 6.
Hagelin was a cap casualty. Anaheim dumped him a few months after signing him to a 4/16 contract. That was a terrible trade for us though. Etem and a second which we blew on Gropp.
Gorts tried re-signing Fast. Canes offered him an extra year. I think Fast signs with the Canes even if we matched their offer.
Gorts tried re-signing Fast. Canes offered him an extra year. I think Fast signs with the Canes even if we matched their offer.
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There are obvious rebuttals to my point, but I wasn't saying that we need to have guys under 23 to win. It's more about when these 20 and 21 year olds are 26 and 27, Panarin, Kreider, and Zibanejad will be in their mid-to-late-30s. I wish we had a few more forwards to all stay in their prime together.
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There are a ton of quality bottom 6 forwards who the Rangers should target in free agency.
Lots of big guys with talent, too.
Hoping we sign some combination of Cizikas, Martinook, Chiasson, Goodrow, or Bellemare. Depends on money/term but I do think we should pay a couple of those guys to beef up the bottom 6 on a talent, size, and experience level.
Lots of big guys with talent, too.
Hoping we sign some combination of Cizikas, Martinook, Chiasson, Goodrow, or Bellemare. Depends on money/term but I do think we should pay a couple of those guys to beef up the bottom 6 on a talent, size, and experience level.
I’m really hoping that Berard has a chance to become a Hagelin type player. Absolutely loved his game and the way he competes anytime that I saw him.
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Have we discussed what we're going to do if Jacob Trouba is not the same player after looking like 'post road runner incident' Wile E. Coyote?
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Agree on most, but this begs the big question.
Can the Rangers win a cup with Mika Zibanejad as your #1 center?
Irishguy42
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Yes
There are is a lot more to fix on the roster that is holding them back from Cup contention, and all things considered...Zibanejad is not the thing holding them back
I think so. I think he is a high end PPG player for 4-5 more years. I think getting a young responsible C that adds some offense but that can take the hard match ups and win a must win face off is key if we resign Zibby. With Barkov looking less and less likely and Eichel’s injury concern, there’s not much in way of better alternatives. I think getting a guy like Cirelli, Larkin, Dvorak, Lindholm etc is paramount for second line duty. It will help Zibby shoulder the load defensively while the center should have a pretty solid offensive year between panarin kakko/Kravtsov. The rangers aren’t going to stop drafting center prospects either. I just think over the next 4-5 years it’s far easier for us to find a bottom 6 C and fill it internally rather then a top 6 guy. There are plenty of good 4C alternatives that shouldn’t break the bank either if we go that route thru free agency. That’s how I look at it if I’m Drury. There’s also the possibility that Chytil comes to camp next year and puts a choke hold on the 2c position. He certainly has the talent to do so. I just am not sure if it all clicks for him here before they include him in a trade package for a more established battle tested younger guy like stated above. That’s up to the front office, but that’s the way I see our center position shaking out.
If we don’t see a deal for a 2C at the draft I think their plan is to ride strome to the trade deadline, pump his points/ value up until then and dump him for the best asset they can get. That also gives Chytil a little more time to mature and find out what he really is. There’s going to be a lot of hard decisions coming down the pike. Some aren’t always going to look like the right one, but we should be better off in the long run for it.
I think they also know they need to deal a D prospect or 2 coming shortly but it’s probably as hotly debated among management as it is here of who should go and why. I think the extra time would give them more of an insight on that situation as well
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Matthews and Marner are wanna be pretty boys, they aren't guys who battle to win. Matthews laughing as someone is rag dolling him is as much as i need to know. Show some heart man. I'm close to putting Zib in that category too, and i blame his issues on concussions and him not wanting to get hurt.
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Well sadly, thats the deal that strome will be getting on his next contract. Which i want absolutely NO part of. I believe that Buch and strome will be moved in order to get our true #2 center or possibly #1 since im not sure id want to give that type of contract to Zibs. Love him but he disappears against tight checking.. Thats all playoff hockey is. So his next contract scares me.
Id love to have Lindholm, or Norris but i dont believe they are available. lindholm is a dream depending upon what we give up. Im cool with Krecji too. There is alot of different directions this team can go in. I think Drury has a good handle on what to do with this team. I hope he gets players in his image to put with all this talent coming up.
If we Resign Zibby it is vital we rival the Avs for best PP in the league. Even if the game is tight and Zibby looks over matched he has to be a PP weapon. Teams have to be scared of giving the rangers the extra man because they know it will end badly
I don’t know. Swedes are really loyal folks. Just the season prior Fast was elated the rangers kept him then rather deal him at the deadline going into FA. He loved NY, he won the McDonald award a bunch here, fans loves him, he wasn’t overlooked for his hard work. I think he stays if they offer the extra year imo
Regardless, losing him was tremendous, it can’t be understated. He was our Swiss Army knife, a guy who always busted his ass and made the right play. That kind of work ethic is contagious. Would have been great for the kids to be around him constantly to see how he prepares and plays etc. it was wrong not giving him the 3rd year, and dumb. I remember at the time debating with many that I was wrong and blah blah blah. I stand by it then and now, they should have resigned him. He is a role that’s going to be tough to fill. He’s a great bottom 6 guy who can fill in top 6 in case of injury for a stretch. Blackwell had a nice year, but literally the only thing he does better then fast is score.
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If the Rangers are having Zibanejad take any sort of difficult matchups, they are gonna have a tough time winning in the postseason. He had a dreadful season defensively and is IMO pretty overrated in that regard. Investing $8M+ in a guy who is a big question mark in terms of his ability to play well in all situations and in all different styles of games seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
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