This. I’m telling you. Him and Ruesschoff might raise some eyebrows and surprise a lot of people. By all means sign a solid vet. But when injuries happen these kids need to be given a shot and prove they have the wherewithal to stay up in the face of adversity. That’s how a ton of Penguins forwards earned their bones. Guys like Rust and Blueger were never highly touted prospects
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Shrinks when the competition stiffens. Like many small skilled players, when you get physical with them they becoming shrinking violets. There’s a lot more Marner”s then there are guys like Garland, Marty St. Louis, etc. I was worried about Panarin after the bubble, but I re-watched him with the jackets the season prior and it made me feel a lot better.
I’m chalking the bubble up to a team that thought they wouldn’t play again that year, and a coach that couldn’t prepare them in that time frame
He was paid to shut Mathews and Marner down. Mission accomplished.
SA16
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I'm not ignoring it. I don't agree with it.
If a player is 3 years away from UFA and you sign him to a 2 year deal you can extend him or trade him after year 2 as a RFA. The downside is he can walk after year 3 if he is not interested in signing long term/traded and goes to arbitration for a 1 year award.
If a player if 3 years away from UFA and you sign him to a 3 year deal you can still extend him or trade him after year 2 however you will have gotten year 3 cheaper. The downside is he can walk after year 3 if he is not extended or traded.
There is very little difference. It's just something often repeated.
Teams probably will end up copying the Matthews structure down the line once players/agents realize that they actually have the leverage in this case because if they hold out it seriously hurts the team. There's no real reason RFA years are worth much less than UFA years. Top players have leverage in both situations just in different ways.
SA16
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romba
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Guys I am ready for next season, I've got my excuses for sucking handy.
New coach new system is valid until December 2021.
December to January is the holidays don't be a grinch so we'll make our push after.
February-March is our injuries and Panarin going AWOL last season still affecting everyone somehow
After March we're focusing on the draft again so hope for losses and excuses aren't needed anymore.
LFG
New coach new system is valid until December 2021.
December to January is the holidays don't be a grinch so we'll make our push after.
February-March is our injuries and Panarin going AWOL last season still affecting everyone somehow
After March we're focusing on the draft again so hope for losses and excuses aren't needed anymore.
LFG
I would take him any time if it weren’t for our cap situation.
Toronto has a very flawed roster besides 4-5 spots on the roster. They also have had an insane turnover on that roster. They are the team that by far has been hurt the most by the stagnant cap. The teams that are doing well is to a large extent the deep teams.
Hockey is a team game and every shift matter the same. Being a good team 22 minutes a night wont help you if you aren’t very good the remaining 38 minutes.
SA16
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bleedblue94
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You lose your leverage. If the contract expires a year sooner you then either sign him long term or you trade him that offseason. Exactly what is going to happen with buch, but there will be a definite decision made at that time. If the contract goes to ufa year you literally are inviting EXACTLY what happen to the islanders with Taveras, the difference is taveras signed for a 5.5aav which was viewed as a gift to the islanders based on the player he was. JT deal was for 7.9% of the cap in 2012, AM deal was for 14% of the cap in 2019. There still remains no way to defend that contract with it not buying out ufa years to justify the 3rd highest cap hit in league history AND INCLUDES A NO MOVEMENT CLAUSE IN THE LAST YEAR OF THE DEAL, so if he wont resign long term in Toronto, that leafs cant even trade him for assets without his consent before he walks via UFA. The contract structure is indefensible.
Again, other than stammer what team has signed a good/great player to a 2nd contract at high dollars where the contract expires the first summer that the player is eligible for ufa status?
romba
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Agreed. Hockey is heavy on chemistry. The more moving and interacting pieces, the more they need to be able to read off and predict each other. Teams with high turnover will definitely suffer in this regard. It's hard to maintain consistent possession and stay out of your d zone if you're misreading plays and needing half a second to process the play while the other team knows where the puck is going before the play even begins. Playing with your best friend for 3 years is a huge advantage compared to changing linemates every other year.
Rookies present the same issue due to thinking the game slower but a lack of chemistry can result in a similar type of problem.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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rangers1314
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Everyone ready to win the lottery again tomorrow?
SA16
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But you can literally do the exact same thing if he is one year left on his deal...once he has a year left you can make that exact same decision to sign him or trade him in the offseason. The team interested in trading for him can try and work an extension with the deal as well, same as the other way.
The NMC doesn't matter. It doesn't kick in until the last year. If they know he won't re-sign they can trade him before 7/1/23. If they're out of it at the deadline, he hasn't signed, and they want to trade him I am sure they will be able to do so. It is very rare that a player actually exercises a NTC in that situation to not be traded to a contender.
As for your question other than Stamkos - I have no idea and I don't know why it matters.
Dr. Ogrodnick
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Just a small move up to 3 to grab Beniers. That is all I ask.
romba
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So many no names came up to have success with the Pens. Is it because Crosby is just so good he makes anyone look great, or maybe because these skilled prospects were given the chance to show their stuff with an elite player and proved their abilities? When our guys (Strome) prove abilities with Panarin consistently we scoff. When Pitt's guys do it we all salivate at their no-name's success out of no where.
I've come around on this and our young guys need to be consistently mixed in more with the vets next year to raise confidence and improve their scoring(to increase confidence!). The kids line is dumb and was an attempt by Quinn to hide them from difficult opposition and minimize their ice time to eek out a few more wins and it was a PR success but wasted some key development.
Also PP time is overrated but confidence is not and if PP time bring confidence then give the youth more of it!!!
KK improved his defensive responsibility, give the guy some serious PP time jfc. And Laf showed flashes of tremendous skill, get the guy some heavy PP time! Make a PP1A and PP1B with a 60/40 split, not 85/15.
NYR Viper
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I think part of the issue this year was the lack of vets. Look at the forward group. Panarin, Strome, Buch, Zib, Kreider.
Then you had Rooney and Blackwell.
Laf, Kaako, Chytil and Gauthier.
Panarin and Strome should play together.
The Kreider-Zib-Buch line was all about trying to find a way to get Zib going for half of the shortened season.
Next year will be worse more than likely unless a trade is made or signing is done. If Strome and Buch are both traded (which is possible), you're left with Panarin, Zib, Kreider as the vets at forward. How do you sprinkle in young players with only 3 veterans?
On defense it's going to be worse. Lindgren-Fox should be stapled to eachother. Trouba was already playing with Miller. The 3rd pairing may be comprised of Lundqvist, Schneider, Reunanen, Hajek, Robertson unless a veteran is signed.
Raspewtin
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"If he hasn’t already, I think Armstrong will gauge the interest around the league. He has to. Tarasenko has two years left on his contract, and with a $7.5 million cap hit, the Blues need production out of that position at that cost. Some might say that Tarasenko will be OK when he gets more games under his belt following his third shoulder surgery, and they may be right. But from a team-dynamic perspective — the desire to suit up a blue-collar, hardworking lineup — the Blues may feel the need to go in a different direction, and Tarasenko may want that, too.
As far as his declining value, it is what it is. I don’t know that Tarasenko is going to score 35 goals next year and reraise his stock. So at this point, with Armstrong saying the championship window is still open, he has to decide “Can Tarasenko help this team?” And if the GM doesn’t think he can, then he needs to find a “hockey trade” because the Blues would benefit tremendously from player(s) at $7.5 million in cap space who can either score or play within the system. Tarasenko does have a no-trade clause, so he has some control."
mostly a non-answer
Fitzy
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We need scoring wingers about as badly as we need young defenseman prospects.
Chalfdiggity3
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Yet the premise of this offseason is to trade those players who are most likely not here long term for more of a long term fix at 2nd line center NOT strome. Along with players who have been in the league and can play that physical imposing style. So although those players may be on the way out and while they are a SMALL part of the vets to this team remember both are under 27. They will be replaced with players who do it all and around the same age. so i dont believe the lack of vets will be an issue since i believe those are players we are looking to add
TheBloodyNine
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That’s the thing . Adding depth is going to bump prospects . Fans came complain if guys are in the AHL
Let's just win the lottery again, grab Beniers, solve the 2C issue for 10 years and watch the NHL front offices lose their shit more than the city of Toronto did last night.
I'll buy the marshmallows.
I'll buy the marshmallows.
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