Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

[Mac n Gs]

I will contribute to this conversation

Chytil will get a bridge 2/3 years at 2.5 million or so

Shestyorkin’s contract will look similar to Demko’s at 5 million+ for 5/6 years

And Buchnevich isn’t getting an extension he’s getting moved either at the draft or after. I think there’s an almost zero chance he gets an extension

If they bridge Chytil, it has to be 2 years since a 3 year deal will take him to UFA. I'd much prefer to sign him to a longer-termed extension, but I can also see the rationale behind giving him only 2 years. I think he's poised for a breakout next year where we'll regret not getting him locked up for a while.

I guess time will tell. Drury (if that deal wasn't already in the works) is 1/1 so far with the Lindgren contract.

 

[McRanger92]

So you’re saying move Kratsov? I see our top 6 as Kratsov and Kakko.
I feel like your downgrading in the long term if you do that.

Its all personal preference. Kravtsov has a long way to go before he gets to be the player Buch is already

 

[Raspewtin]

Im in the school of thought that Buch/Kakko should be the long term top 6 RWs, but if they do move Buch it should be for a legitimate upgrade at C.

I like Chytil as a player but giving him 40 million when we arent sure if hes a Center or wing, and he doesnt have a PP or PK role (yet) is a risk im not willing to take at the moment

how are we not sure if he's a center or wing? he's played center his entire NA pro career.

 

[Synergy27]

I have no problem with those numbers for shesty.
My continual question with these buch contracts is- you cannot pay a 3rd line forward 6m. Assuming even conservative growth from both kratsov, laf and kakko, buch is a 3rd line player, who doesn't even sniff powerplay time unless theres injuries.
I really loved his growth this season, but the writing is on the wall, he needs to be moved. We talk about how the kreider signing is now hamstringing us because we're going to have a 3rd liner making 6.5, and that was kreider taking a discount. I had no problems with the deal at the time (the term was just slightly too long), the deal just became bad once we got laf. We dont need any level of precognition to know that buch is gonna ride the 3rd line. Production is dependant on ice time and linemates, and you cant expect 6-7m performance from a 3rd liner with no pp time. Bad deals cost you a contention window. Gorton has made a couple bad contracts, but has mostly avoided completely hamstringing us, this would hamstring us especially if theres any sort of trade protection.

Chytil is one of those i'd absolutely 100% not bridge and just go sign for something like 5m / 8years. You are absolutely taking a risk, but even with a small jump in production and ice time you're likely to see that being a value contact. His production this year was almost entirely even strength production with 13minutes per game. A bridge with chytil could lead to us needing a larger contract in 3-4 years.

This is pretty clearly the answer to me. Chytil was much, much better than people think last season. His injury may have actually been a blessing in disguise because if he kept going at the rate he was, it would have been pretty much impossible to keep him away from the top lines and the PP, and a bargain deal would not even be a possibility.

It will hurt a lot to trade Buch but you have to do what you have to do when you have top picks nipping at your heels. Kreider is here to stay so Buch has to go unless Kravtsov or Kakko are moved.

 

[bobbop]

I still wonder what quack DR they found to make that diagnosis. They must have found him running adds in the back of MAD magazine or penthouse offering fugazzi remedies to whatever ails you out of his strip mall office

If you had any first hand experience with equipment allergy, you would feel differently.

 

[bobbop]

Kick rocks Haohmaru. What exactly is ridiculous about one thing I said. These are the numbers these kids are pulling now a days. Tkachuk, Hischier, Rantanen, Aho, you could go on. This is the type of tier Laf and Kakko project in. You dont think management has an interal projection of what these kids are gonna be making? Obviously a 20 point Laf/Kakko isnt pulling that... you dont think management is anticipating them as point per game players in the near future? Dont be "truly and utterly ridiculous" management knows they have gems here. Projections on the higher side are that way because thats who they project to be, we're not talking about future top 6 players we're talking about future stars.

And the Kreider thing... who tf is gonna say what the guy does or doesn't want in terms of his career? Do you know what the guy prioritizes? Drury should approach him here. The writing is on the wall here for CK. The near future of this organization does not feature Kreider in a prominent role. Is he fine taking a back seat? Is he willing to play in a reduced role 15 minutes a night? When he signed that contract did he figure he would still have a substantial role? None of these questions any of us can answer. So I find it funny.

And if I'm Seattle do I want CK with a sweetener or do I want Hajek, Gauthier? So if you dont see the plausibility boohoo

You’re not breaking any new ground here

 

[Pidto Files]

I think if Eichel were healthy and The panthers sucked again and Barkov missed the playoffs yet again, you would see a longer wait. Zibby is going to get lucky because he and his agent know that he’s probably going to be the best the rangers can do in that window of time, especially now that Eichel and Barkov look less likely to leave their current franchise via trade or waiting until free agency. The only other course of action would be a trade for a guy like Lindholm, Dvorak, Larkin etc. Zibby/ his agent know he’s has performed in NY better then all the alternatives did on their current teams. So it’s going to be very hard for Drury to wait it out. I’d love it if he waited til the last possible minute but by doing that, if Zib has a monster year, you’re pretty much ensuring he gets the biggest deal he can. Won’t be pretty for our cap going FWD. even if he performs at a PPG it’s still better then all the viable trade candidates have to date. So he’s still looking at anything from 8.5-10 mill per season. Eichel’s neck injury and the panthers playing well couldn’t have come at a better time for him honestly.

This is the tough spot to be in.. I would still wait and if Mika proves it, pay him.. If he comes out and looks like he is declining or plateaued, the Rangers can now maybe still extend but save those needed cap dollars.. Mika would still be a viable option for a few years as a 1C and with possible move slot down and be a great 2C..

 

[effen]

We're not inside Kreider's head, maybe he wants to retire after getting a 40M+ contract with a NMC and find inner peace in the tranquil waters of Lake Minnetonka. You don't know. You can't answer that.

If I'm Seattle, do I even want a guy who would rather find peace in the tranquil waters of Lake Minnetonka more than Libor Hajek? What if he lures some of his teammates there and starts a cult based around the tranquil waters of Lake Minnetonka? I might not want that around my organization at any price. I doubt Ron Francis does.

 

[effen]

And before anyone disputes the logic of what I said, who are you to say that Chris Kreider can't both retire and waive his NMC to go to an expansion team across the country a year after he foregoes Unrestricted Free Agency. You're not him. You're not in his head. And certainly not meditating on the edge of the tranquil waters of Lake Minnetonka.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Careful there B-17....there are a handful in here with internet discussion forum policing interests it appears . LOL.....many would just prefer to crap on another opinion different than their own time after time rather than just moving past it....it must make them feel better about themselves ? ...small penis syndrome probably? ....or just people who never played well with others ever ?

Time for me to stop arguing with randoms on the internet Id say its that 2nd to last one

 

[jay from jersey]

If you had any first hand experience with equipment allergy, you would feel differently.

Odd it popped up right when they needed it too. He was either dealing with it for years and it wasn’t as bad a they said, or just by sheer luck, when they need that deal gona and he’s been paid the brunt of his cash it hurts too bad to put on pads

 

[jay from jersey]

This is the tough spot to be in.. I would still wait and if Mika proves it, pay him.. If he comes out and looks like he is declining or plateaued, the Rangers can now maybe still extend but save those needed cap dollars.. Mika would still be a viable option for a few years as a 1C and with possible move slot down and be a great 2C..

Yea kind of damned if ya do damned if ya don’t situation

 

[Synergy27]

Odd it popped up right when they needed it too. He was either dealing with it for years and it wasn’t as bad a they said, or just by sheer luck, when they need that deal gona and he’s been paid the brunt of his cash it hurts too bad to put on pads

I mean, CLEARLY, you’ve never had jock itch. This is so screamingly obvious with every post you make. How dare you spout such conspiracy theories here!

 

[Richard Banger]

Man the shit posters really come out of the woodwork in the off-season

 

[bobbop]

Odd it popped up right when they needed it too. He was either dealing with it for years and it wasn’t as bad a they said, or just by sheer luck, when they need that deal gona and he’s been paid the brunt of his cash it hurts too bad to put on pads

It's been a problem in hockey for a long time. There are several players who have had to suck it up and play through the issue. There are others who would take a whole summer to see their bodies recover. I believe the issue has mostly passed due to better manufacture and equipment ingredients but don't think it wasn't a very real issue for a long time.

 

[Boris Zubov]

It's been a problem in hockey for a long time. There are several players who have had to suck it up and play through the issue. There are others who would take a whole summer to see their bodies recover. I believe the issue has mostly passed due to better manufacture and equipment ingredients but don't think it wasn't a very real issue for a long time.

Not doubting you, but the timing of Hossa's diagnosis was really suspect. I think that's the bigger issue.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kick rocks Haohmaru. What exactly is ridiculous about one thing I said. These are the numbers these kids are pulling now a days. Tkachuk, Hischier, Rantanen, Aho, you could go on. This is the type of tier Laf and Kakko project in. You dont think management has an interal projection of what these kids are gonna be making? Obviously a 20 point Laf/Kakko isnt pulling that... you dont think management is anticipating them as point per game players in the near future? Dont be "truly and utterly ridiculous" management knows they have gems here. Projections on the higher side are that way because thats who they project to be, we're not talking about future top 6 players we're talking about future stars.

And the Kreider thing... who tf is gonna say what the guy does or doesn't want in terms of his career? Do you know what the guy prioritizes? Drury should approach him here. The writing is on the wall here for CK. The near future of this organization does not feature Kreider in a prominent role. Is he fine taking a back seat? Is he willing to play in a reduced role 15 minutes a night? When he signed that contract did he figure he would still have a substantial role? None of these questions any of us can answer. So I find it funny.

And if I'm Seattle do I want CK with a sweetener or do I want Hajek, Gauthier? So if you dont see the plausibility boohoo

Kreider took less money to stay in NY a year ago. Regardless if Seattle prefers him over Hajek or Howden, the conversation begins & ends like this..."Chris are you interested in waiving to go to an expansion team 3000 miles away?" "No". Conversation over.

 

[bobbop]

Not doubting you, but the timing of Hossa's diagnosis is really suspect. I think that's the bigger issue.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...quipment-allergy-tells-marian-hossa-1.4171259

 

[NYRKing]

More talk on Zac Jones please. I’m enthused by Keandre but imo Jones will need to be in the top four soon enough.

 

[haohmaru]

And the Kreider thing... who tf is gonna say what the guy does or doesn't want in terms of his career? Do you know what the guy prioritizes? Drury should approach him here. The writing is on the wall here for CK. The near future of this organization does not feature Kreider in a prominent role. Is he fine taking a back seat? Is he willing to play in a reduced role 15 minutes a night? When he signed that contract did he figure he would still have a substantial role? None of these questions any of us can answer. So I find it funny.

And if I'm Seattle do I want CK with a sweetener or do I want Hajek, Gauthier? So if you dont see the plausibility boohoo

You think Kreider, who by all accounts is as cerebral as it gets, spent his entire career finally getting to the point where he can sign a long term, once in a career multi-million dollar deal, with a full NMC to waive it after a year to go Seattle to get more playing time?

What I find funny is this fantasy scenario that has no basis in reality. NONE. Whatsoever. He's a leader on this team who wants to be HERE. If this were year four into his contract, I'd give it some credence, but after year one? Not going to happen no matter how much it makes sense to you in your NHL '22 scenario. It's ridiculous. And Drury knows it.

 

[I Eat Crow]

More talk on Zac Jones please. I’m enthused by Keandre but imo Jones will need to be in the top four soon enough.

TBH he held his own in the role he was given, and I'm confident he'll be a good NHL player, but he doesn't have the game breaking talent/IQ that Fox has.

He's top of the list to me as trade bait to bring in a center. He's just not going to get the opportunity here that he deserves with Miller, Lindgren, and also Robertson in the system. If the Rangers sign or acquire an experienced bottom pairing player, I don't see a spot for him if Lundkvist comes over. It's Hartford or trade for Jones, I think.

 

[Richard Banger]

Not doubting you, but the timing of Hossa's diagnosis was really suspect. I think that's the bigger issue.

It was legit all career ending incidents get looked into. Mainly for insurance purposes.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kreider took less money to stay in NY a year ago. Regardless if Seattle prefers him over Hajek or Howden, the conversation begins & ends like this..."Chris are you interested in waiving to go to an expansion team 3000 miles away?" "No". Conversation over.

Kreider is fortunate the Rangers gave him 7 years and $6.5M AAV. He wasn't getting that contract after Covid. Chris should kiss his agent's feet every day for getting him that contract.

 

[Bruner4329]

You think Kreider, who by all accounts is as cerebral as it gets, spent his entire career finally getting to the point where he can sign a long term, once in a career multi-million dollar deal, with a full NMC to waive it after a year to go Seattle to get more playing time?

What I find funny is this fantasy scenario that has no basis in reality. NONE. Whatsoever. He's a leader on this team who wants to be HERE. If this were year four into his contract, I'd give it some credence, but after year one? Not going to happen no matter how much it makes sense to you in your NHL '22 scenario. It's ridiculous. And Drury knows it.

The only other thing I will add is no one and I mean no one on this board has any clue how the new coach will view Kreider. And to say the near future of this team does not feature Kreider in a prominent role is a bit too premature. They just gave him a multi year deal and btw Drury was part of that team. In spite of what he is and has done he still has the ability to be a 30 goal scorer for the next few seasons which is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[jay from jersey]

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...quipment-allergy-tells-marian-hossa-1.4171259

Like he said no one doubting it’s a real thing but it’s very odd timing. Either he had it and played well with it for years in check or it just by a stroke of happen stance it got to the point where he can’t play anymore when 99% of his deal was paid and the hawks needed his cap hit off the roster.
I don’t know hossa so I’m not going to comment on his integrity good or bad. In his career he’s showed he’d do whatever it takes to win offering his mercenary services to the pens, wings, and hawks for a chance at the cup and high dollar sometimes short term deals.
If you don’t think the timing of his announcement is the least bit suspicious then we’re just in disagreement