Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

[UnSandvich]

I hope I'm not the only one who doesn't want Reaves on this team. He's almost as scummy as Wilson, but because he's an "enforcer", people don't care.

 

[Reway10]

Reaves is POS

 

[Mac n Gs]

He’s also a bad hockey player, and we shouldn’t be wasting any form of assets in an attempt to acquire him

 

[McRanger92]

Still talking about trading Kreider & bringing back DeAngelo, eh? We need some actual rumors because we are really grasping at straws now

 

[Fitzy]

Still talking about trading Kreider & bringing back DeAngelo, eh? We need some actual rumors because we are really grasping at straws now

Frankly I was expecting a lot more speculation about what kind of extensions Chytil, Shesty, and Buch get.

 

[jay from jersey]

I have no interest in bringing him back... but I’m not Drury. I was just saying that it’s possible, but unlikely, that Drury’s viewpoint has changed.

Yea the ship has sailed for him here. Will be bought out at the end of season, new coach or not. I do think we see tony back in the NHL sooner rather then later now that things have died down. There will be a few teams that will give him a 1 yr 1-1.5 mill show me contract on talent alone

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Say what you want about what Reaves did, but Graves should've been thrown from the game for the interference hit in the 2nd. This is more players policing the game when the refs can't.

 

[Rongomania]

Say what you want about what Reaves did, but Graves should've been thrown from the game for the interference hit in the 2nd. This is more players policing the game when the refs can't.

Lindgren being out those last few games I still think was a huge reason we got continuously ran. Wilson doesn't want any part of Lindgren. We've seen him get under Tommy's skin and throw him off of his game. And you know Lindgren is going to be better and scarier next season. Honestly not worried. The kids are growing, Laf will be stronger and he can be a nasty bastard. Trouba back and motivated. One gritty skilled guy on the bottom lines/vet d presence and I think we'll be fine.

 

[jay from jersey]

Surely, however, there’s also the unknown economics leftover from Covid.. It might behoove both side to wait until the trade deadline for an extension.. If I were in Drury’s shoes, this is what I would do..

I think if Eichel were healthy and The panthers sucked again and Barkov missed the playoffs yet again, you would see a longer wait. Zibby is going to get lucky because he and his agent know that he’s probably going to be the best the rangers can do in that window of time, especially now that Eichel and Barkov look less likely to leave their current franchise via trade or waiting until free agency. The only other course of action would be a trade for a guy like Lindholm, Dvorak, Larkin etc. Zibby/ his agent know he’s has performed in NY better then all the alternatives did on their current teams. So it’s going to be very hard for Drury to wait it out. I’d love it if he waited til the last possible minute but by doing that, if Zib has a monster year, you’re pretty much ensuring he gets the biggest deal he can. Won’t be pretty for our cap going FWD. even if he performs at a PPG it’s still better then all the viable trade candidates have to date. So he’s still looking at anything from 8.5-10 mill per season. Eichel’s neck injury and the panthers playing well couldn’t have come at a better time for him honestly.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I’m just saying asking what direction can Toronto go if they lose tonight? I don’t want his $10 million dollar price tag. Matthews is the only guy and position i would want. I’m all for grit and board battles which i’ve posted consistently.

Going to be crazy if they lose tonight

I think the better question is why is there a discussion on acquiring a non center forward? Marner is a winger. I’m not even gonna discuss his play style. Unless you magically move Ck, we have too many top 6 wingers.

 

[McRanger92]

Frankly I was expecting a lot more speculation about what kind of extensions Chytil, Shesty, and Buch get.

Shesterkin id give 5.5 mil for 5 years. Half a mil a year more than Demko i think is very fair for both sides.

Buch, I really think they can get him to sign for under 6 mil a year for 5 or 6 years. Seems like he likes it here so maybe a bit of a hometown discount. Id like to avoid NMCs but if you need to give him a modified NTC i dont think thats unreasonable.

Chytil gets a bridge deal. Weve seen flashes but im not ready to commit long term to him yet. Very interested to see him under a new coach with more of a clean slate. Chytil's usage is one of Quinn's major failures imo. Hes been with the big club for parts of 4 years with steadily improving play and was never given a bigger role for "reasons"

 

[TheBloodyNine]

How many coaches will be needed for him ? Will 4 be the magic bullet for him......NEVER happening...move on from that thinking . That ship has sailed . He is what he is .

He was playing well until he tuned out Quinn. You are somehow trying to equate this to me schooling you about a Crosby trade but they are not in any way, shape or form the same thing. Kreider playing well under a new coach is at least in the realm of possibility. Unlike anything you come up with.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think the better question is why is there a discussion on acquiring a non center forward? Marner is a winger. I’m not even gonna discuss his play style. Unless you magically move Ck, we have too many top 6 wingers.

nobody asked the question.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Shesterkin id give 5.5 mil for 5 years. Half a mil a year more than Demko i think is very fair for both sides.

Buch, I really think they can get him to sign for under 6 mil a year for 5 or 6 years. Seems like he likes it here so maybe a bit of a hometown discount. Id like to avoid NMCs but if you need to give him a modified NTC i dont think thats unreasonable.

Chytil gets a bridge deal. Weve seen flashes but im not ready to commit long term to him yet. Very interested to see him under a new coach with more of a clean slate. Chytil's usage is one of Quinn's major failures imo. Hes been with the big club for parts of 4 years with steadily improving play and was never given a bigger role for "reasons"

I have no problem with those numbers for shesty.
My continual question with these buch contracts is- you cannot pay a 3rd line forward 6m. Assuming even conservative growth from both kratsov, laf and kakko, buch is a 3rd line player, who doesn't even sniff powerplay time unless theres injuries.
I really loved his growth this season, but the writing is on the wall, he needs to be moved. We talk about how the kreider signing is now hamstringing us because we're going to have a 3rd liner making 6.5, and that was kreider taking a discount. I had no problems with the deal at the time (the term was just slightly too long), the deal just became bad once we got laf. We dont need any level of precognition to know that buch is gonna ride the 3rd line. Production is dependant on ice time and linemates, and you cant expect 6-7m performance from a 3rd liner with no pp time. Bad deals cost you a contention window. Gorton has made a couple bad contracts, but has mostly avoided completely hamstringing us, this would hamstring us especially if theres any sort of trade protection.

Chytil is one of those i'd absolutely 100% not bridge and just go sign for something like 5m / 8years. You are absolutely taking a risk, but even with a small jump in production and ice time you're likely to see that being a value contact. His production this year was almost entirely even strength production with 13minutes per game. A bridge with chytil could lead to us needing a larger contract in 3-4 years.

 

[IDvsEGO]

nobody asked the question.

I misread the posts. I assumed the discussion was on acquiring marner. Sorry about that.

 

[Fitzy]

Shesterkin id give 5.5 mil for 5 years. Half a mil a year more than Demko i think is very fair for both sides.

Buch, I really think they can get him to sign for under 6 mil a year for 5 or 6 years. Seems like he likes it here so maybe a bit of a hometown discount. Id like to avoid NMCs but if you need to give him a modified NTC i dont think thats unreasonable.

Chytil gets a bridge deal. Weve seen flashes but im not ready to commit long term to him yet. Very interested to see him under a new coach with more of a clean slate. Chytil's usage is one of Quinn's major failures imo. Hes been with the big club for parts of 4 years with steadily improving play and was never given a bigger role for "reasons"

I agree with all of this. That said, I would be willing to pay a bit more on a Buchnevich extension if he accepted only a limited NTC. I'd very much like to have the ability to trade Buchnevich and/or Strome when the time comes.

We've given out a lot of NMC's to UFA age players and would probably have to give on to Mika to extend, so Buchnevich and Strome are not guys I want to be un-moveable.

Extending Shesty now rather than a one year bridge is a slight risk, but we probably save a lot on AAV if he has a solid season next year.

I agree Chytil is an obvious bridge candidate. It still isn't clear where he fits with the future of this team.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Frankly I was expecting a lot more speculation about what kind of extensions Chytil, Shesty, and Buch get.

I will contribute to this conversation

Chytil will get a bridge 2/3 years at 2.5 million or so

Shestyorkin’s contract will look similar to Demko’s at 5 million+ for 5/6 years

And Buchnevich isn’t getting an extension he’s getting moved either at the draft or after. I think there’s an almost zero chance he gets an extension

 

[McRanger92]

I have no problem with those numbers for shesty.
My continual question with these buch contracts is- you cannot pay a 3rd line forward 6m. Assuming even conservative growth from both kratsov, laf and kakko, buch is a 3rd line player, who doesn't even sniff powerplay time unless theres injuries.
I really loved his growth this season, but the writing is on the wall, he needs to be moved. We talk about how the kreider signing is now hamstringing us because we're going to have a 3rd liner making 6.5, and that was kreider taking a discount. I had no problems with the deal at the time (the term was just slightly too long), the deal just became bad once we got laf. We dont need any level of precognition to know that buch is gonna ride the 3rd line. Production is dependant on ice time and linemates, and you cant expect 6-7m performance from a 3rd liner with no pp time. Bad deals cost you a contention window. Gorton has made a couple bad contracts, but has mostly avoided completely hamstringing us, this would hamstring us especially if theres any sort of trade protection.

Chytil is one of those i'd absolutely 100% not bridge and just go sign for something like 5m / 8years. You are absolutely taking a risk, but even with a small jump in production and ice time you're likely to see that being a value contact. His production this year was almost entirely even strength production with 13minutes per game. A bridge with chytil could lead to us needing a larger contract in 3-4 years.

Im in the school of thought that Buch/Kakko should be the long term top 6 RWs, but if they do move Buch it should be for a legitimate upgrade at C.

I like Chytil as a player but giving him 40 million when we arent sure if hes a Center or wing, and he doesnt have a PP or PK role (yet) is a risk im not willing to take at the moment

 

[haohmaru]

“You just cannot pay your 3rd LW 6.5 on a flat cap with all these guys here”. Not sure how that’s ridiculous. Sure, the Rangers can afford him now yet long term the cap will be a problem based on the names he mentioned.

The Kreider waiving to go to Seatttle, or anywhere else, is the part that’s ridiculous.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I misread the posts. I assumed the discussion was on acquiring marner. Sorry about that.

i wrote it poorly, my bad. So curious what direction the Leafs go if they lose tonight.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Im in the school of thought that Buch/Kakko should be the long term top 6 RWs, but if they do move Buch it should be for a legitimate upgrade at C.

I like Chytil as a player but giving him 40 million when we arent sure if hes a Center or wing, and he doesnt have a PP or PK role (yet) is a risk im not willing to take at the moment

So you’re saying move Kratsov? I see our top 6 as Kratsov and Kakko.
I feel like your downgrading in the long term if you do that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I will contribute to this conversation

Chytil will get a bridge 2/3 years at 2.5 million or so

Shestyorkin’s contract will look similar to Demko’s at 5 million+ for 5/6 years

And Buchnevich isn’t getting an extension he’s getting moved either at the draft or after. I think there’s an almost zero chance he gets an extension

I think it depends on what Buch wants for a contract. I think there is a term and number NY can live with, can Buch though?

 

[leetch99]

Lindgren being out those last few games I still think was a huge reason we got continuously ran. Wilson doesn't want any part of Lindgren. We've seen him get under Tommy's skin and throw him off of his game. And you know Lindgren is going to be better and scarier next season. Honestly not worried. The kids are growing, Laf will be stronger and he can be a nasty bastard. Trouba back and motivated. One gritty skilled guy on the bottom lines/vet d presence and I think we'll be fine.

I don't think Wilson is overly worried about Lindgren anytime he steps on the ice . I don't think Wilson worries about anyone when he steps on the ice .

 

[Rongomania]

I don't think Wilson is overly worried about Lindgren anytime he steps on the ice . I don't think Wilson worries about anyone when he steps on the ice .

And Lindgren has no fear of him either, Wilson did all of that with no Lindgren. So glad we locked him up for a few years, hope he stays healthy and gets a second deal with us too.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Neither Kakko nor Laf have come close to earning that type of contract yet. Kakko has 1 year left on his ELC and will have to explode offensively next year to earn more than a bridge deal.

Even if the Rangers wanted to expose Kreider (which they likely don't), and assuming he agreed to waive (which he likely wouldn't), there's no guarantee that Seattle would take him. The scenario in which all of this happens is as close to zero as it's likely to get.

Kreider and Trouba both have 3 years left on their NMCs. They need to play well until then. We will manage the cap in the interim.

Truly and utterly ridiculous.

Posts like these, and McDavid trade proposals, are why I peruse this place a lot less in the off season.

Kick rocks Haohmaru. What exactly is ridiculous about one thing I said. These are the numbers these kids are pulling now a days. Tkachuk, Hischier, Rantanen, Aho, you could go on. This is the type of tier Laf and Kakko project in. You dont think management has an interal projection of what these kids are gonna be making? Obviously a 20 point Laf/Kakko isnt pulling that... you dont think management is anticipating them as point per game players in the near future? Dont be "truly and utterly ridiculous" management knows they have gems here. Projections on the higher side are that way because thats who they project to be, we're not talking about future top 6 players we're talking about future stars.

And the Kreider thing... who tf is gonna say what the guy does or doesn't want in terms of his career? Do you know what the guy prioritizes? Drury should approach him here. The writing is on the wall here for CK. The near future of this organization does not feature Kreider in a prominent role. Is he fine taking a back seat? Is he willing to play in a reduced role 15 minutes a night? When he signed that contract did he figure he would still have a substantial role? None of these questions any of us can answer. So I find it funny.

And if I'm Seattle do I want CK with a sweetener or do I want Hajek, Gauthier? So if you dont see the plausibility boohoo