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B17 Apricots said:
I still say I think you gotta explore something to get Kreider to waive for Seattle. You have to anticipate here that Zib, Kakko, Laf and Fox are all players that will be getting ~8 mil AAV. Sprinkle in some of the wild cards and the guys already here. You just cannot pay your 3rd LW 6.5 on a flat cap with all these guys here
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-0.0% of that exploration happening so best to move on from that thought
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
Please explain your “pitch” to Kreider to get him to waive the contract he recently signed with a NMC to be in NY for the next 7 years so that he would then change his mind, move across the country to play for an expansion team.
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Hold on I'll write it up and mail it over to you immediately sir. You've made up your mind on the plausibility prior so boohoo, its something that should be explored
 
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RangerBoy said:
In the latest 31 Thoughts podcast, Elliotte Friedman said someone told him the salary cap is not expected to increase in the next 5 years. Based on the NHL revenue projections and the amount of money owed by the players to the owners, the cap will be a flat $81.5 million. My apologies if someone has been already mentioned that.

The Rangers will have flexibility this summer but the $81.5M is staying $81.5M for the foreseeable future.

Teams can't afford to make mistakes on contracts and they need the young players on ELC's to be contributors.

The Rangers have $26,142,857 committed in three players. Panarin, Kreider and Trouba. Chris Drury has over $55.35M to fill out the roster. Shesterkin will be paid this summer. Demko got $25M over 5 years. Sheterkin will get more. Fox will be paid next summer. Makar will be a free agent this summer. The Maker contract will set Fox's price. The Avs like giving out long term contracts to their top players coming out of the entry level system. $7M? $8M? Drury has to pay Zibanejad or bring in another center. $8.5M-$9M.

The space runs out fast.
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I dunno if the players will have to accept that tehy're gonna get screwed here or what. they've operated under the assumption of cap go up but it's not going to now and guys like Zibanejad etc might have to take smaller contracts than they think they coudl demand relative to their peers (guys who signed contracts with teams that expected a cap increase to make the iffy contract now look fine later in terms of percentage of cap it's taking up)
 
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B17 Apricots said:
Hold on I'll write it up and mail it over to you immediately sir. You've made up your mind on the plausibility prior so boohoo, its something that should be explored
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That’s like saying we should explore time travel. Not within the realm of reality. Never ever going to happen. Kreider is here for awhile. Move on.
 
B17 Apricots said:
I still say I think you gotta explore something to get Kreider to waive for Seattle. You have to anticipate here that Zib, Kakko, Laf and Fox are all players that will be getting ~8 mil AAV. Sprinkle in some of the wild cards and the guys already here. You just cannot pay your 3rd LW 6.5 on a flat cap with all these guys here
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CK isn’t waiving his NTC, which he just got, to go to an expansion team 3K miles away from his life.

Get ahold of yourself.
 
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Bluto said:
The problem is that Buffalo views Eichel as the same level of talent as the likes of McDavid and Matthews when he simply isn't. Eichel isn't elite. He's a very good player who compliments the elite talent.
I'd rather cash in for someone who is better than Eichel. Eichel to me is Brad Richards or Rick Nash. he's not the guy to pay 10 million a year.
Maybe if NYR hadn't re-signed Kreider I'd say do it... but the cap just doesn't work and the bust risk with Eichel is too high.

Eichel isn't better than Zibanejad so why would NYR pay more and trade serious assets (because you can't keep both of them) for a less than/equal to Zibby?
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You don't know that buffalo views eichel on mcd level. Their fans are taking that stance on forums bc they know him leaving devestats their franchise even more, so they get defensive and make these ridiculous demands and proposals. None of that matters bc in the real world their gm knows the clock is ticking and he has to move him before next offseason. They can't get in a situation where they are pressed up against his ntc and give him any control. Trading a 10 mil cap hit in season is very difficult. I understand hesitation in acquiring him if the actual cost was what buff fans keep claiming it will be, but reality could be much different and if it is than it's something NYR should be looking at. If he has long term chronic issues than he is going to ltir anyways so the cap implications for a dead 10mil are minimal. It really comes down to cost vs risk/reward. It's all about cost and I'm just saying it shouldn't be discounted without being fully investigated.
 
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Bluto said:
If the cap is flat for 5 years then the players are going to start seeing some reduced salaries.
It would not be surprising if the owners decide behind closed doors to put an unofficial max salary in place.
Every team has cap problems.
Maybe the teams and NHLPA will agree to more compliance buyouts that dont impact the cap for each team.
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Was thinking this too. If it’s common knowledge that the cap won’t budge, then players will have to be reasonable. That said, usually the top players aren’t the ones affected by austerity. It’ll be the middle class (...as usual).
 
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TheBloodyNine said:
It’s not even an opportunity because it’s not in any way realistic.
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Yea kreider isn’t going anywhere until his NMC becomes a limited no trade. It would be nice to move that contract but Kreids isn’t going to do the rangers any favors. He likes it here, he took less money then he would have gotten on the open market to stay here. On top of all that, he saw what happened between the rangers and Lundqvist. One of the best rangers in history. Chris is smart, he’s not going to cave and do anyone any favors.
For him to waive it would have to be the perfect fit for him. Seattle just ain’t it. He’s a Boston guy. And with Halls resurgence, they would be foolish not to resign him. Asking Kreids to wave to move across the country for the Kraken is just pure fantasy and a waste of time.
We need to maximize his talents for this club, cause he’s not going anywhere for 3-4 years at a minimum
 
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If we really need to get rid of Kreider at some point, we'll just make up some bunk ass reason he can't play.

I don't think that'll happen yet.
 
jay from jersey said:
Yea kreider isn’t going anywhere until his NMC becomes a limited no trade. It would be nice to move that contract but Kreids isn’t going to do the rangers any favors. He likes it here, he took less money then he would have gotten on the open market to stay here. On top of all that, he saw what happened between the rangers and Lundqvist. One of the best rangers in history. Chris is smart, he’s not going to cave and do anyone any favors.
For him to waive it would have to be the perfect fit for him. Seattle just ain’t it. He’s a Boston guy. And with Halls resurgence, they would be foolish not to resign him. Asking Kreids to wave to move across the country for the Kraken is just pure fantasy and a waste of time.
We need to maximize his talents for this club, cause he’s not going anywhere for 3-4 years at a minimum
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Let’s see what a new coach can do for him. A think a lot of our veterans got tired of whatever Quinn was trying to sell so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and a clean slate under a new coach.
 
RangerBoy said:
In the latest 31 Thoughts podcast, Elliotte Friedman said someone told him the salary cap is not expected to increase in the next 5 years. Based on the NHL revenue projections and the amount of money owed by the players to the owners, the cap will be a flat $81.5 million. My apologies if someone has been already mentioned that.

The Rangers will have flexibility this summer but the $81.5M is staying $81.5M for the foreseeable future.

Teams can't afford to make mistakes on contracts and they need the young players on ELC's to be contributors.

The Rangers have $26,142,857 committed in three players. Panarin, Kreider and Trouba. Chris Drury has over $55.35M to fill out the roster. Shesterkin will be paid this summer. Demko got $25M over 5 years. Sheterkin will get more. Fox will be paid next summer. Makar will be a free agent this summer. The Maker contract will set Fox's price. The Avs like giving out long term contracts to their top players coming out of the entry level system. $7M? $8M? Drury has to pay Zibanejad or bring in another center. $8.5M-$9M.

The space runs out fast.
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Who is paying these players if the cap is staying flat? No one else will have any money to steal them away from us.
 
B17 Apricots said:
Drury needs to lock Shesty long term for cheap here. Quick was a guy who was in the top for a while but even at the time was on a sweetheart deal. You look at Price, Hank, Bob... it's hard having a goalie eating a ton of your cap
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Shesterkin is no where near any of those guys.
 
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