Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

[Chalfdiggity3]

It will be a bigger name. For sure

Lol why did Messiers name come to mind when you said this? But seriously, Do you have any possible names out there?

 

[bleedblue94]

I would say that any pitcher who has TJ issues is still a career ender. It's only a matter of time it seems these days. Then 1-2 years off and they're never the same. Of course this is unrelated to Eichel.

Sure, Eichel is a fine player. He's Brad Richards 2.0. He's a great Robin to someone's Batman on a contender. The Kessel to the Crosby if you will.
I sure as hell don't want to trade the moon for 10 mil a year Robin. Add the broken neck and I'd rather not trade at all. The fact that LTIR might even be a consideration would basically mean NYR is potentially trading serious assets for a player who might not play, thereby losing assets for nothing.

I mean your comment about tj is just not accurate at all. Most of the games top pitchers have had it, and it is relevant bc there was a time that such a surgery was viewed as a career ender.

That aside, your perception that eichel is a robin type player is interesting and I disagree. Comparing him to Kessel is weird. He is an elite talent, but not a franchise level player to carry the entire team. He would not be asked to do that here, and as I said above I would also not trade our elite assets for him but to just dismiss him without knowing costs of a trade is kind of silly. If he were a free agent fabs would be interested depending on medical reports. Yes you'd have to trade assets for him but so long as they are not the elite assets I have no issues. We have more chips for trades than we can put on the roster and there will be a time to cash in. Do you trade 2nd tier assets for an elite talent w injury concerns, trade 2nd tier talents for 2nd tier players, or trade 1st tier assets for elite talent wo injury concerns? For years people complained we didn't take boom or bust chances at the draft of top talent, this is the ultimate boom or bust acquisition and IF you can make it without touching your elite assets I think you have to do it

 

[Embryo]

So I heard Eichel has "neck issues" is this true? Someone at work told me this who is a diehard Rangers fan.

 

[Embryo]

We could get Austin Matthews in 4 years when the Leafs trade him to Arizona lol

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

So I heard Eichel has "neck issues" is this true? Someone at work told me this who is a diehard Rangers fan.

he has a neck injury

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Crazy thought - if Leafs lose game 7, do they look to move Matthews? Leafs ARE dumb…

 

[jay from jersey]

Crazy thought - if Leafs lose game 7, do they look t
o move Matthews? Leafs ARE dumb…

They will try to move marner

Crazy thought - if Leafs lose game 7, do they look to move Matthews? Leafs ARE dumb…

They’ll try to move marner first I’d think. He’s a small guy that plays small when the competition gets tighter. Incredible talent but not worth his contract. There will be teams that can’t attract high end/ high paid talent. I think they would bite the bullet and take on Mariners cap his because they have too much trouble getting guys like him on their teams unless they over pay a lot anyway

 

[Vitto79]

The Rangers could really use a very solid 4th line player for something like $2M x 3 yrs. The type of guy that could play up and down the lineup and be a real team leader.

If only they could find a guy like that.

like Fast ? lol

 

[Bluto]

I mean your comment about tj is just not accurate at all. Most of the games top pitchers have had it, and it is relevant bc there was a time that such a surgery was viewed as a career ender.

That aside, your perception that eichel is a robin type player is interesting and I disagree. Comparing him to Kessel is weird. He is an elite talent, but not a franchise level player to carry the entire team. He would not be asked to do that here, and as I said above I would also not trade our elite assets for him but to just dismiss him without knowing costs of a trade is kind of silly. If he were a free agent fabs would be interested depending on medical reports. Yes you'd have to trade assets for him but so long as they are not the elite assets I have no issues. We have more chips for trades than we can put on the roster and there will be a time to cash in. Do you trade 2nd tier assets for an elite talent w injury concerns, trade 2nd tier talents for 2nd tier players, or trade 1st tier assets for elite talent wo injury concerns? For years people complained we didn't take boom or bust chances at the draft of top talent, this is the ultimate boom or bust acquisition and IF you can make it without touching your elite assets I think you have to do it

The problem is that Buffalo views Eichel as the same level of talent as the likes of McDavid and Matthews when he simply isn't. Eichel isn't elite. He's a very good player who compliments the elite talent.
I'd rather cash in for someone who is better than Eichel. Eichel to me is Brad Richards or Rick Nash. he's not the guy to pay 10 million a year.
Maybe if NYR hadn't re-signed Kreider I'd say do it... but the cap just doesn't work and the bust risk with Eichel is too high.

Eichel isn't better than Zibanejad so why would NYR pay more and trade serious assets (because you can't keep both of them) for a less than/equal to Zibby?

 

[EdJovanovski]

So I heard Eichel has "neck issues" is this true? Someone at work told me this who is a diehard Rangers fan.

Have you been living under a rock man lol this has been an ongoing thing in the news for a while now and there's a big dispute between Eichel & Buffalo over Eichel wanting to do an experimental surgery on it and the team not wanting it done

 

[RangersFan1994]

give me Brock McGinn on UFA day 1

 

[RangerBoy]

In the latest 31 Thoughts podcast, Elliotte Friedman said someone told him the salary cap is not expected to increase in the next 5 years. Based on the NHL revenue projections and the amount of money owed by the players to the owners, the cap will be a flat $81.5 million. My apologies if someone has been already mentioned that.

The Rangers will have flexibility this summer but the $81.5M is staying $81.5M for the foreseeable future.

Teams can't afford to make mistakes on contracts and they need the young players on ELC's to be contributors.

The Rangers have $26,142,857 committed in three players. Panarin, Kreider and Trouba. Chris Drury has over $55.35M to fill out the roster. Shesterkin will be paid this summer. Demko got $25M over 5 years. Sheterkin will get more. Fox will be paid next summer. Makar will be a free agent this summer. The Maker contract will set Fox's price. The Avs like giving out long term contracts to their top players coming out of the entry level system. $7M? $8M? Drury has to pay Zibanejad or bring in another center. $8.5M-$9M.

The space runs out fast.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Lol why did Messiers name come to mind when you said this? But seriously, Do you have any possible names out there?

Imo im surprised Daniel Briere hasn't been hired for something here by now.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

They will try to move marner



They’ll try to move marner first I’d think. He’s a small guy that plays small when the competition gets tighter. Incredible talent but not worth his contract. There will be teams that can’t attract high end/ high paid talent. I think they would bite the bullet and take on Mariners cap his because they have too much trouble getting guys like him on their teams unless they over pay a lot anyway

Marner and Matthews are Dubas illegitimate kids, they arent going anywhere.

 

[I Eat Crow]

In the latest 31 Thoughts podcast, Elliotte Friedman said someone told him the salary cap is not expected to increase in the next 5 years. Based on the NHL revenue projections and the amount of money owed by the players to the owners, the cap will be a flat $81.5 million. My apologies if someone has been already mentioned that.

The Rangers will have flexibility this summer but the $81.5M is staying $81.5M for the foreseeable future.

Teams can't afford to make mistakes on contracts and they need the young players on ELC's to be contributors.

The Rangers have $26,142,857 committed in three players. Panarin, Kreider and Trouba. Chris Drury has over $55.35M to fill out the roster. Shesterkin will be paid this summer. Demko got $25M over 5 years. Sheterkin will get more. Fox will be paid next summer. Makar will be a free agent this summer. The Maker contract will set Fox's price. The Avs like giving out long term contracts to their top players coming out of the entry level system. $7M? $8M? Drury has to pay Zibanejad or bring in another center. $8.5M-$9M.

The space runs out fast.

Not to mention a second contract for Lafreniere whom looked like he arrived towards the end of the season. Kakko and Kravtsov, if both still with the organization, will be able to be bridged and re-evaluated after that.

I think you're too high on Shesterkin but low on what Fox will get, Zibanejad sounds just about right. The Demko comparison is almost dead on for Shesterkin. $5 million for 5 or 6 years or $4.5 million for 4 years. Anything under $8 million per for Fox over a long term contract is a bargain. Maybe he takes a half million or a million less per year for the team he loves?

This is the year to trade a 1st rounder for a piece now. Later round picks will have higher value and good scouting systems will be able to find steals later on due to less data in comparison to any other draft year. Use it to trade for a center and trade Strome to the highest bidder for futures. Have to keep the pipeline of cheap, young talent coming with a flat cap for the next half decade.

 

[Bluto]

If the cap is flat for 5 years then the players are going to start seeing some reduced salaries.
It would not be surprising if the owners decide behind closed doors to put an unofficial max salary in place.
Every team has cap problems.
Maybe the teams and NHLPA will agree to more compliance buyouts that dont impact the cap for each team.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The league needs to adapt a modified cap that allows teams to sign their own players to big contracts that don’t have the entire hit count towards the cap. Players drafted or who have spent their ELCs on a team would be eligible for this type of cap relief.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The league needs to adapt a modified cap that allows teams to sign their own players to big contracts that don’t have the entire hit count towards the cap. Players drafted or who have spent their ELCs on a team would be eligible for this type of cap relief.

I like this idea, but it inherently puts the smaller market teams that have a hard time retaining talent at a disadvantage.

 

[Pidto Files]

Mike Sullivan to return as Penguins head coach next season

Ends that pipe dream..

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

The league needs to come up with some kind of McGuffin that helps my favorite hockey team, the New York Rangers

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I like this idea, but it inherently puts the smaller market teams that have a hard time retaining talent at a disadvantage.

I disagree, I think it helps them retain their own players just like every other team, as they would be the only team that could sign a guy to a big contract and get the cap relief. I don’t think any team in the league has issues signing their own younger guys to big contracts. It’s UFAs where smaller markets are at a disadvantage, which wouldn’t be included in this.

 

[Crease]

The league needs to adapt a modified cap that allows teams to sign their own players to big contracts that don’t have the entire hit count towards the cap. Players drafted or who have spent their ELCs on a team would be eligible for this type of cap relief.

Not sure I agree. The players bargained for 50 percent of revenue. That’s in good times and bad. Yes it’s unfortunate timing for the players whose contracts expire in the next couple years, but they can do the math and opt for short term deals until revenues pick back up.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Drury needs to lock Shesty long term for cheap here. Quick was a guy who was in the top for a while but even at the time was on a sweetheart deal. You look at Price, Hank, Bob... it's hard having a goalie eating a ton of your cap

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Not sure I agree. The players bargained for 50 percent of revenue. That’s in good times and bad. Yes it’s unfortunate timing for the players whose contracts expire in the next couple years, but they can do the math and opt for short term deals until revenues pick back up.

Players will still get their money, more likely more than they would if the entire cap hit would have to count.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I still say I think you gotta explore something to get Kreider to waive for Seattle. You have to anticipate here that Zib, Kakko, Laf and Fox are all players that will be getting ~8 mil AAV. Sprinkle in some of the wild cards and the guys already here. You just cannot pay your 3rd LW 6.5 on a flat cap with all these guys here