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8 teams are still playing. These are more likely to have protection issues that the Rangers would be happy to help. If anything happens it will be a lot closer to the expansion draft.
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8 teams are still playing. These are more likely to have protection issues that the Rangers would be happy to help. If anything happens it will be a lot closer to the expansion draft.
Synergy27
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I have no clue what the average fan was thinking last year. What I saw on this board was a fairly sharp divide between people who were willing to take more lumps to get the important kids more playing time and another group of people who were more than happy to ride Blackwell and Strome to death in a long shot attempt to sneak into the playoffs.
Who exactly was shitting their pants? Other than Dolan of course.
DutchShamrock
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No, I agree with all of that. I'm talking more about the stuff like Buchnevich being pushed out and a lot of debate over if Lundkvist or Schneider should be traded. You don't see Sakic shopping Byram because they have Makar, Girard and Graves. He traded Barrie to make room and address a glaring hole.
I'm not against adding from the outside. What I dont like is using names like Lundkvist or Kravtsov. And I get irritated when our options become limited due to movement clauses elsewhere. So it's not some binary position. You need to be smart about how you go about it though.
It is not going to cost a lot. Flat cap. If you miss out on one because a team wants to overpay, there will be another.
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Off Sides
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There will be other Coleman and Goodrow players, finding them before they cost more than they should is the trick. While Rooney and Blackwell get a lot of criticism they did well for their cap hits, really well.
Guys like Barron, Richards, Gauthier, their other prospects might be that next generation. I am sure there are a bunch of others on, or in other team's rosters/systems too. Rangers would do well to find those or develop them rather than go spend a bunch on them a UFAs. If they can sign them cheap as UFAs, Rooney, etc okay that too helps. All the same the issue was not with the lower roster forwards, they for the most part did very well.
Guys like Barron, Richards, Gauthier, their other prospects might be that next generation. I am sure there are a bunch of others on, or in other team's rosters/systems too. Rangers would do well to find those or develop them rather than go spend a bunch on them a UFAs. If they can sign them cheap as UFAs, Rooney, etc okay that too helps. All the same the issue was not with the lower roster forwards, they for the most part did very well.
Synergy27
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I agree with this, but the Avalanche have the luxury of working with a well managed cap. They don’t have a Kreider or a Trouba on their roster. They don’t have to make any makeup moves yet.
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I completely agree with this. Once those kinds of players get paid they lose their luster very quickly. You need to find them, use them up, preferably move them for assets, and then recycle with the next generation.
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4 x 4 for Coleman? Gross. Look elsewhere.
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Yup that’s a large N-O from me on a 4 by 4 for him. As @Off Sides just said, these are players you want on 1.8 and 900k contracts, not the UFA last big deal they are gonna sign type of contract
Ciszakis is another guy that will also get overpaid. I can see 5.0 cap hit for him. Fills a need but not worth the risk. No thanks and injury prone too.
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The Rangers could really use a very solid 4th line player for something like $2M x 3 yrs. The type of guy that could play up and down the lineup and be a real team leader.
If only they could find a guy like that.
If only they could find a guy like that.
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blake coleman is worth 4 million but i don’t think that’s our job
he’s not just a grinder, he’s an outstanding ES goal scorer. he has value well beyond being tough and gritty
he’s not just a grinder, he’s an outstanding ES goal scorer. he has value well beyond being tough and gritty
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This isn't wrong, but I'd rather just keep Buchnevich for a million to million and a half more
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Friedman reports Jones has told CBJ he won’t be signing an extension and will be going UFA.
He said part of why JD was brought back was to “sell” the breakdown
He said part of why JD was brought back was to “sell” the breakdown
It’s going to have to happen eventually. Graves days as an Av are numbered. And they are going to have the same problem if Barron proves he’s the real deal. They were really smart about their cap space, they knew they would have to sign Rats, Mack, landekog, etc to all big deals.
Rangers are going to have to be equally smart about the cap for our core, which right now consists of LaF, Kakko, Kravtsov, Fox, Lindgren, kreider( unfortunately) and shesty
I have no doubt Trouba is moveable when his NMC ends in a few years but at most we are only going to be able to stash Lundkvist/Schneider in the AHL for a year tops. Both are premium assets playing for 1 position. It sucks but it’s just a fact of life. You don’t want to stall either of their development once they prove that they no longer need to be in the A, and you don’t want a top asset depreciating to the point where you can’t add another high end asset to the core for a position of weakness on the team.
Can’t really compare the rangers and the Aves. Both are at way different roads. They waited for years of misery to draft their core and they all basically came up as kids. We have older players like panarin and the decision on Zibby is looming is if he is part of the long term core or if they choose to go in another direction.
The main thing the rangers should copy from the Avs is
1. to be smart with their cap space to resign core players once they have been identified.
2. Keep restocking the farm with high end cheap talent. Colorado likes to trade and add players via free agency. But you don’t see them dealing away their 1st and 2nd rd picks. Adding guys like Newhook and Barron is going to pay dividends for them down the road. The rangers have been known for this for too many years
I hope they do not deal their 1st or 2nd this year. That’s too more impact players to add to the stable. We’ve also had more success then others drafting in the later rounds, which is great but normally those first 2 picks are teams bread and butter.
Finally, NY will always be an attractive FA destination to Vets and Unsigned rookies alike. As long as Drury isn’t too willie Nille with the cash, we have to use that to our advantage more. It’s great when you can sign a guy like Pionk for just cash and then deal him for an asset you really need.
We can debate the trouba contract til the cows come home, but that’s a trade that had to be made. We needed a player with his attributes on this defense. Would I liked him to sign for 2 mill less a year? Sure. Did I want to give up a first in the deal? Of course not, but by accumulating extra first rd picks we still got to draft a guy in the first.
it really sucks that Buch is going to be a casualty of finances and deep young talent on the wings, but that’s the unfortunate truth. Personally, I think it’s vital that when we finally do deal him, we get a first rounder back as part of the return.
sorry for the rant broski, just a lot to Unpack from your post. We see a lot of things eye to eye but I guess we got some differences too
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UAGoalieGuy
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- Ekholm and Trenin for Buch and Howden
- Lindholm for Strome and Jones
- Sign Nosek 2 years $1.5AAV
- Resign Smith 2 years $1.5AAV
- Resign Zib 6 years $8.5AAV
- Resign Fox 8 years $8AAV
- Resign Shesh 5 years $5AAV
- Give Gauthier a shot on 3rd line RW
Panarin - Lindholm - Kravstov
Kreider - Chytil - Gauthier
Nosek - Trenin - Barron/Blackwell
Blackwell/Barron/Rooney
Miller - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Ekholm - Lundkvist
Smith
PP1:
Kreider (front of net) - Zib - Kakko
Panarin - Fox
PP2:
Laff - Lindholm - Kravstov
Ekholm - Lundkvist
PK1:
Nosek - Trenin
Miller - Trouba
PK2:
Lindholm - Barron
Ekholm - Fox
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Looks good to me. I would rather have Goodrow in that Nosek spot. I wonder what the difference of cash it will be? If it’s only 1 mill more a year I say go for barclay. Also I know you didn’t add tenders but I want Georgiev gone. Too much cash to be too inconsistent. Better options out there for less
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MMA fighters have gotten the procedure done and returned to fighting. That's about as contact as it gets...
bleedblue94
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There are limited openings to nhl jobs here for young players at this point. Other young players are aware of that and most likely that is helping to push them to other teams
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I'm surprised just how okay people are with throwing away Buchnevich to get Mattias Ekholm here. Buchnevich was 16th leaguewide this season in 5v5 P/60, an elite PKer (20th leaguewide among players with 50+ PK mins in terms of GA/60, shooting up to 3rd of 117 players if you make it 100+ PK mins), and yet likely not going to make more than 6.5m per max, which is probably about the most he makes. And he put up those numbers despite spending most of the season with the corpses of Mika & Kreider
Fun fact about Ekholm as well: In terms of PPGA/60, his mark of 9.00 ranks 98th of 118 leaguewide among players with 100+ PK mins this season. 244th of 294 among players with 50+ mins on the PK.
Fun fact about Ekholm as well: In terms of PPGA/60, his mark of 9.00 ranks 98th of 118 leaguewide among players with 100+ PK mins this season. 244th of 294 among players with 50+ mins on the PK.
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