Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

[Vitto79]

How much would Cizikas get as a ufa ?
isles likely can’t afford him? Good on faceoffs and knows his role

also add a guy like Nosek.

I like Rooney on the 4th line to finish that group

I will be surprised to see Howden and sadly Gauthier back

 

[GAGLine]

i wonder if Blackwell is protected in expansion
I don’t think Seattle would take him

If Blackwell is protected, that only leaves us with 1 forward (Rooney) who meets the games played requirement and is under contract for 22, assuming Strome isn't exposed. We would need to re-sign one of Howden, Gauthier or DiGi prior to the expansion draft.

 

[Vitto79]

If Blackwell is protected, that only leaves us with 1 forward (Rooney) who meets the games played requirement and is under contract for 22, assuming Strome isn't exposed. We would need to re-sign one of Howden, Gauthier or DiGi prior to the expansion draft.

pretty sure RFAs Howden and Gauthier qualify but maybe I’m missing something

I’d like to see Gauthier under another coach but not confident they will

 

[RGY]

If we miss on Oleksiak, I woukd be interested in Chara for the 6th D spot.

 

[RangersFan1994]

How much would Cizikas get as a ufa ?
isles likely can’t afford him? Good on faceoffs and knows his role

also add a guy like Nosek.

I like Rooney on the 4th line to finish that group

I will be surprised to see Howden and sadly Gauthier back

Cizikas gets 3,350,000 cap hit as of now. I can see him making 5 on the open market, maybe 6 by some desperate team. He always gets hurt, he is the type that long term contracts wont work. He is not Kreider who can skate and isn’t hurt as much as Casey is. Although every player is at risk to some injury at some point.

 

[GAGLine]

pretty sure RFAs Howden and Gauthier qualify but maybe I’m missing something

I’d like to see Gauthier under another coach but not confident they will

They qualify on games played, but we are required to expose 2 forwards and 1 dman who meet the games played requirement, and are under contract for the 2021-22. On defense, that will be Bitetto.

At forward, the only players who meet both requirements are Panarin, Zib, Strome, Kreider, Rooney and Blackwell. Buchnevich, Chytil, Gauthier, Howden and Di Giuseppe all meet the games played requirement, but they are not under contract for 2021-22. DiGi is a UFA, the rest are RFA.

If we expose both Rooney and Blackwell, no problem. If we protect one of them, we have to sign one from the 2nd group and expose them. We aren't exposing Buch or Chytil, so that leaves one of Gauthier, Howden or DiGi.

 

[GAGLine]

Cizikas gets 3,350,000 cap hit as of now. I can see him making 5 on the open market, maybe 6 by some desperate team. He always gets hurt, he is the type that long term contracts wont work. He is not Kreider who can skate and isn’t hurt as much as Casey is. Although every player is at risk to some injury at some point.

There's no way he gets that much. He's 30 years old and has never scored more than 33 points in a season. He has 185 points in 590 career games, an average of 25.7 points per 82 games.

With the flat cap, there's no way teams are going to give him that much. His salary is 4 mil this year and if he averages that much on this next contract, I'll be surprised. Term will be more important for him, I would imagine. A 4 year deal at 3.5 mil probably gets it done.

 

[Vitto79]

Cizikas gets 3,350,000 cap hit as of now. I can see him making 5 on the open market, maybe 6 by some desperate team. He always gets hurt, he is the type that long term contracts wont work. He is not Kreider who can skate and isn’t hurt as much as Casey is. Although every player is at risk to some injury at some point.

I was thinking 2.5 tops for like 3 yrs
No way Rangers go as high as you are thinking

 

[Fitzy]

I don’t think the fourth line needs an upgrade, except maybe at right wing.

What we need to do is build a team like Colorado that has three relatively solid scoring lines, but also has strong star power. We had balance the last run but not the top end skill.



Part of filling out three scoring lines just entails waiting for Kravstov Kakko and Lafreniere to develop offensively. Patience is the name of the game and just hope that Panarin and Zibanejad age well.

We’ve got a very good team brewing if we don’t get impatient. I’m game for adding some veterans for next season but don’t commit to any of them for too long such that we get locked into contracts and block youth development

 

[RGY]

Rather target Coleman and Goodrow than Cizikas

 

[Ola]

Doing a quick glance it appears Bobrov is no longer with the team

Great find! Interesting!

I wonder if there are many in the organization that are disappointed in Chris Drury? Thought that he back stabbed Gorton in lack of a better word?

 

[Ola]

If anything he’d be an Amateur/Draft-Elible Players Scout, wouldn’t he?

Yeah, and for this to happen before the draft, that is just odd. Sure there are some lists laying around. But everything is far from finished.

 

[Vitto79]

Rather target Coleman and Goodrow than Cizikas

that’s fine but does Kravtsov get blocked then ?

I think they resign Buch so they really just need a 4th line RW

 

[Ola]

Didn’t know we had this guy under contract, if he can skate he should have dressed against Washington:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-jackson-84900128

 

[Kodiak]

They qualify on games played, but we are required to expose 2 forwards and 1 dman who meet the games played requirement, and are under contract for the 2021-22. On defense, that will be Bitetto.

At forward, the only players who meet both requirements are Panarin, Zib, Strome, Kreider, Rooney and Blackwell. Buchnevich, Chytil, Gauthier, Howden and Di Giuseppe all meet the games played requirement, but they are not under contract for 2021-22. DiGi is a UFA, the rest are RFA.

If we expose both Rooney and Blackwell, no problem. If we protect one of them, we have to sign one from the 2nd group and expose them. We aren't exposing Buch or Chytil, so that leaves one of Gauthier, Howden or DiGi.

I think if you offer PDG a 1-year contract at around the same salary, he signs it. But doing that to protect Blackwell is a bad sign regarding Drury’s perception of his value.

 

[RGY]

that’s fine but does Kravtsov get blocked then ?

I think they resign Buch so they really just need a 4th line RW

Goodrow can play Center. There is your replacement for Howden. Both Goodrow and Coleman can move up and down the lineup. I dont see Kravtsov being blocked. And Buchnevich might not even be here at the start of next season

 

[DutchShamrock]

I don’t think the fourth line needs an upgrade, except maybe at right wing.

What we need to do is build a team like Colorado that has three relatively solid scoring lines, but also has strong star power. We had balance the last run but not the top end skill.



Part of filling out three scoring lines just entails waiting for Kravstov Kakko and Lafreniere to develop offensively. Patience is the name of the game and just hope that Panarin and Zibanejad age well.

We’ve got a very good team brewing if we don’t get impatient. I’m game for adding some veterans for next season but don’t commit to any of them for too long such that we get locked into contracts and block youth development

Exactly. Patience. You don't see Colorado shipping out promising young players to make room for vets and UFA adds. They let their guys gel, learn together, and develop. They don't see having a bunch of high skilled, young, puck savvy players on the back end as a problem

Everyone cites the Colorado model but there isn't a whole lot of stomach for the process.

 

[eco's bones]

Great find! Interesting!

I wonder if there are many in the organization that are disappointed in Chris Drury? Thought that he back stabbed Gorton in lack of a better word?

I suspect that there were scouts that were here because of Davidson some that were here because of Gorton and that some of them would follow Davison and Gorton to their new destinations....and it’s as simple as that.

 

[RGY]

I dont see how adding Coleman and Goodrow means we would have to ship out young players.. that connection makes zero sense.

You are looking at possibly, likely, moving out Strome and/or Buchnevich. Rooney can go. Howden hopefully is selected by Seattle.

Lafreniere-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-xxxx-Kravtsov
Kreider-Bonino-Chytil/xxxx
Blackwell-Goodrow-Coleman

Good chance Chytil is in a deal for a top fleet center. They could trade a combination of Buch/Strome/Chytil for Eichel/Lindholm/Hertl/Larkin. Maybe it ends up being Chytil and one of Strome/Buch in a package for Lindholm/Hertl/Larkin...

Lafreniere-Zib-Kakko
Panarin-Lindhom/Hertl-Kravstov
Kreider-Bonino-Strome/Buch
Blackwell-Goodrow-Coleman
Gauthier

That can fit under the cap and be a very deep team. You have quality veteran insurance on the 4th line that can move up should someone struggle or injury. Then just give me Oleksiak/Chara and Rinne/Hank

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Oleksiak/Chara-Lundkvist

Jones could be in one of those trades or the 7th to ease in. Maybe its Miller who is in a trade. Who knows.

Igor
Rinne/Hank

Georgiev shipped out to save a little cap space and get an asset for him

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think if you offer PDG a 1-year contract at around the same salary, he signs it. But doing that to protect Blackwell is a bad sign regarding Drury’s perception of his value.

No point in giving PDG another round. This team has plenty of 13th forwards. New regime, new coach, let's try something different.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

So if he survives the Expansion Draft and trade bait, is anyone ready for the Brett Howden Career Rehabilitation Tour or is that too much for this board to handle?

 

[Fitzy]

Exactly. Patience. You don't see Colorado shipping out promising young players to make room for vets and UFA adds. They let their guys gel, learn together, and develop. They don't see having a bunch of high skilled, young, puck savvy players on the back end as a problem

Everyone cites the Colorado model but there isn't a whole lot of stomach for the process.

Yeah and I mean pretty much every key player in the Avalanche lineup is between 21 and 28. They are going to be good for a very, very long time.

They just need to find a way to rid themselves of Erik Johnson.

 

[jay from jersey]

Exactly. Patience. You don't see Colorado shipping out promising young players to make room for vets and UFA adds. They let their guys gel, learn together, and develop. They don't see having a bunch of high skilled, young, puck savvy players on the back end as a problem

Everyone cites the Colorado model but there isn't a whole lot of stomach for the process.

They have had their share of adds. Let’s not get it twisted. They drafted really well with their top 10 picks. But they have added guys like kadri, burakosky , donskoi, nictuskin, etc thru outside means

 

[jay from jersey]

So if he survives the Expansion Draft and trade bait, is anyone ready for the Brett Howden Career Rehabilitation Tour or is that too much for this board to handle?

Crazy thing is he is still very young I think he actually turns out to be a good bottom 6 player. He’s got the wheels but he needs to add a little more offense and get stronger. The problem is, it won’t be with the rangers. He has run his course here. It’s hard enough developing top 6 guys with having to develop the bottom 6 at the same time. You need some vets for these guys to lean on.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Crazy thing is he is still very young I think he actually turns out to be a good bottom 6 player. He’s got the wheels but he needs to add a little more offense and get stronger. The problem is, it won’t be with the rangers. He has run his course here. It’s hard enough developing top 6 guys with having to develop the bottom 6 at the same time. You need some vets for these guys to lean on.

He looked like a young Chris Drury his first 20 games in the league, then he got injured. If he's still here I hope he can regain some of that under a real coach.