Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2021 Offseason) - “Simple Jack”, "Will over Skill", "Drury in a Hurry"?

[Machinehead]

Coleman is basically Buchnevich but better defensively at 5v5 and without the the random ass turnovers.

 

[Machinehead]

We got great value out of signing two fourth liners for less than $2M total in Blackwell and Rooney last year. We really shouldn’t be overpaying for a bottom-6 contract that lasts longer than one year

Everyone is obsessed with the Islanders 4th line.

It's not a 4th line.

Cizikas, Clutterbuck, and Martin are 6th, 8th, and 9th in total ice time for the Islanders this year.

 

[SRHRangers]

Everyone is obsessed with the Islanders 4th line.

It's not a 4th line.

Cizikas, Clutterbuck, and Martin are 6th, 8th, and 9th in total ice time for the Islanders this year.

100% Martin is the only 4th liner there.

I just wouldn't mind Cizikas as the 3C.

 

[a tribe cq]

Coleman is basically Buchnevich but better defensively at 5v5 and without the the random ass turnovers.

In the past two seasons Buchnevich is second on the team in 5v5 point production, only behind Panarin. Third in Goals Above Replacement behind only Fox and Panarin, (Ahead of Scheifle, Barzal, and more league wide) Third in GAR/60 behind Panarin and Blackwell. Also factor in Zibanejad's net positives vs negatives in his with or without Buchnevich on the ice with him is honestly night and day statistically. I could go on more and more of how Buchnevich is loads more productive then Coleman.

Buchnevich>>>>>Coleman

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

100% Martin is the only 4th liner there.

I just wouldn't mind Cizikas as the 3C.

I would.

Hes going to be overpaid and age horribly.

 

[a tribe cq]

Also, I called it a 4th line because..its numbered thats all, all I care about is proper deployment from the coaching staff in regards to TOI and nothing more...call it the 1st line for all I care.

 

[Machinehead]

In the past two seasons Buchnevich is second on the team in 5v5 point production, only behind Panarin. Third in Goals Above Replacement behind only Fox and Panarin, (Ahead of Scheifle, Barzal, and more league wide) Third in GAR/60 behind Panarin and Blackwell. Also factor in Zibanejad's net positives vs negatives in his with or without Buchnevich on the ice with him is honestly night and day statistically. I could go on more and more of how Buchnevich is loads more productive then Coleman.

Buchnevich>>>>>Coleman

Yes, Buchnevich is great at even strength. So is Coleman but he also will be cheaper and plays a more straight-ahead style.

Also, I called it a 4th line because..its numbered thats all, all I care about is proper deployment from the coaching staff in regards to TOI and nothing more...call it the 1st line for all I care.

I don't care what you call it. You've got ten top-6 forwards in that lineup and all twelve are demonstrably not 4th liners, even Nosek who is close to .5 PPG this year and has been on Vegas' 3rd line the whole season.

There's a salary cap and that much depth is setting cap space on fire.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Coleman is basically Buchnevich but better defensively at 5v5 and without the the random ass turnovers.

Sooooo.. basically NOT Buchnevich lol

 

[Mac n Gs]

Everyone is obsessed with the Islanders 4th line.

It's not a 4th line.

Cizikas, Clutterbuck, and Martin are 6th, 8th, and 9th in total ice time for the Islanders this year.

To be fair, they do normally average the least amount of ice time per game among their forwards. The only consistent player that played similar minutes was Wahlstrom.

The only players that play less are Ross Johnston (plug) and Bellows (rookie)

 

[Machinehead]

Sooooo.. basically NOT Buchnevich lol

Buchnevich is great at even strength and an underrated forechecker. He would be exactly what we need if he didn't revert to backhand passes into the void against trapping teams.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

good for him. he got wrongly fired. can't he sue for wrongly termination

Why would he, with Dolan having to pay out his contract.

 

[SA16]

Blake Coleman? The guy who played for the Devils for years and couldn't help them win a thing? That guy had to be traded to the best team in the league and then, what do you know, suddenly he's a "guy you win with."

 

[Machinehead]

To be fair, they do normally average the least amount of ice time per game among their forwards. The only consistent player that played similar minutes was Wahlstrom.

The only players that play less are Ross Johnston (plug) and Bellows (rookie)

True but they're trusted a lot by that team and they start most games.

I don't want our gameplan build around a 4th line.

I don't wanna be the Islanders. They have their shtick and good for them but I think they're boring and I would be absolutely floored if they won the Cup. They're a second/third round team who wins 2-1 games. Been there, done that, got sick of it.

 

[Machinehead]

Blake Coleman? The guy who played for the Devils for years and couldn't help them win a thing? That guy had to be traded to the best team in the league and then, what do you know, suddenly he's a "guy you win with."

I don't care about any of that shit.

He scores goals at even strength, is very good defensively, and great forechecker.

 

[kovazub94]

I agree. For whatever reason, these series seem extra angry this year. But I will say, I'm not worried about guys like Kakko and Laff finding an extra gear if and when they get there.

Good observation.

These teams already played each other 7-8 times in a shorter than normal timeframe. Also the previous playoffs were not so far removed. These are factors to say that the bad blood was already flowing.

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

I see lots of Marcel Hossa in his game

Wrong. He is a lot like Ryan Hollweg.

 

[Machinehead]

Wrong. He is a lot like Ryan Hollweg.

Except without taking the single dumbest penalty in Rangers history.

Don't get any ideas, Kaapo!

 

[CLW]

Blake Coleman? The guy who played for the Devils for years and couldn't help them win a thing? That guy had to be traded to the best team in the league and then, what do you know, suddenly he's a "guy you win with."

Tampa is not only talented, it's also as well coached a team as you can find. The players understand and execute their system well. Maybe the Rangers should try that approach.

 

[Mac n Gs]

True but they're trusted a lot by that team and they start most games.

I don't want our gameplan build around a 4th line.

I don't wanna be the Islanders. They have their shtick and good for them but I think they're boring and I would be absolutely floored if they won the Cup. They're a second/third round team who wins 2-1 games. Been there, done that, got sick of it.

Exactly. We have too much talent in our organization to even consider it. The only problem is that the majority of them are all U22 and it takes time for them to really get to the point where we need them. That was/is the biggest challenge for Gorton/Drury once they got the two lotto picks. Drury has to make sure he doesn’t start pushing it too fast before they’re ready with any over the top trades or bad signings

 

[CLW]

Exactly. We have too much talent in our organization to even consider it. The only problem is that the majority of them are all U22 and it takes time for them to really get to the point where we need them. That was/is the biggest challenge for Gorton/Drury once they got the two lotto picks. Drury has to make sure he doesn’t start pushing it too fast before they’re ready with any over the top trades or bad signings

That's the reason firing JD and Gorton was nuts. I doubt not making the playoffs was the real reason they got axed, or even that the team mid-rebuild was a bit lopsided. Any reasonable person understand this. It's like cooking it takes the time it takes.

• Young players need to mature
• Roster balance issues fixed
• A competent head coach found
• A good team wide system implemented
• System needs to become second nature with the players
• Playoff experience has to be gained
  
• and so on

All this won't happen overnight. This is the reason I thought shooting for the playoffs this season was unrealistic and futile. Basic pieces were obviously missing. Teams like Tampa and Colorado took time to get ready.

 

[a tribe cq]

Yes, Buchnevich is great at even strength. So is Coleman but he also will be cheaper and plays a more straight-ahead style.

His production is also worse by a good amount.

Still don't understand the concept of Coleman vs Buchnevich, one is clearly the better player and on a reasonable contract is the guy you go for 10/10 times.

 

[NYRKing]

Disagree whole-heartedly, all three are heavy on the puck and strong on the boards. Buch and Kakko get into the dirty areas on a regular basis and all three use their size to protect the puck very well.

Then you change the centers.

 

[JohnC]

We need to sign Blake Coleman and have him choose 27 as his number so I can finally buy a jersey with my name on it and not have it be a jersey foul.

 

[Machinehead]

His production is also worse by a good amount.

Still don't understand the concept of Coleman vs Buchnevich, one is clearly the better player and on a reasonable contract is the guy you go for 10/10 times.

Coleman is good at specific things we need that I'm willing to give up 10 points for and Buchnevich's reasonable contract has one year on it.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

All you can do is Laff because if you don't, you'll Krei