Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2021 Offseason) - “Simple Jack”, "Will over Skill", "Drury in a Hurry"?

[Savant]

General comment here.

I do not believe that anyone posting here actually WANTS to move Miller. If they do, for whatever reason, they are wrong.

That said, if the right deal came along where we could improve the team and Miller is the main asset with small adds going the other way, I don't have an issue with it.

Doesn't mean I don't want the player, just means that I recognize the need to offer something substantial to get something substantial back.

I'd rather limit the assets headed out in a deal than overpay in assets to keep anyone in particular.

I’m not moving Miller. There is no way I am doing that to Trouba. Moving Miller creates another huge hole.

 

[pld459666]

I’m not moving Miller. There is no way I am doing that to Trouba. Moving Miller creates another huge hole.

Thats a fair point, no doubt.

One we disagree on, but fair point nonetheless

 

[Boris Zubov]

Watching the playoff games- most team's skilled players play the way Panarin does now. Washington, Boston, Vegas, all these teams are guilty of heavy passing and tic-tac-toe plays.

Again, it's the third and fourth lines that you'd like to see some more direct play from.

And all these teams have had trouble scoring once the playoffs started. Vegas especially for the past two playoff seasons has been black hole offensively...granted I think it's DeBoers crappy system at work, but it's a glaring problem.

 

[Savant]

Thats a fair point, no doubt.

One we disagree on, but fair point nonetheless

Trouba came back for a poor first season because he finally had a good partner. Became a team leader and possible captain in the process. If they move Miller it is back to square one with Trouba and I would not be willing to do that at all. People complaining about Miller, he is still one of the youngest players in the NHL! He can develop the physical side of his game. You move him you don’t have anyone to step in and you are also risking Trouba regression. It’s dumb, and will wind up costing much more to get a replacement in.

 

[huerter]

We need 2-3 beauties and 2-3 grizzled warriors before we can be taken seriously.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

He will after he goes crazy in a contract year.

he'll deserve it then. 82 game season, real divisions, no COVID (hopefully) if he stays healthy and puts up numbers like last year and the 2nd half of this year, he's proven himself in my eyes

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

trading Miller just creates another hole. The holes the Rangers have is need to get since more physical players who can play (guys line Goodrow, Martinook, Nosek, etc) another vet D and ideally a better center than Strome (two way, faceoffs, etc). Now if say the Rangers could get Ekholm then you could move Miller and pair Ekholm with Trouba etc but would still need a defensive LD for Lundkvist

 

[Clark Kellogg]

JD back to Columbus as President. Gorts and Quinn to follow?

Someone correct me if I am wrong. J.D. should not be allowed to speak with or even be in the same room with anyone from the Columbus organization. He is still under contract with the Rangers.
He has all knowledge of our upcoming draft lists and he also has intimate knowledge of the Rangers organization sentiment on their own players and where they fit in their current or future plans which would be used by other teams when it comes to trades.
Is the tweets meant more of if that J.D. was available, then Columbus would hire him?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

This is insanity on the part of Dolan and Drury if this is true unless we are getting the Columbus 2023 1st round pick as competition.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Someone correct me if I am wrong. J.D. should not be allowed to speak with or even be in the same room with anyone from the Columbus organization. He is still under contract with the Rangers.
He has all knowledge of our upcoming draft lists and he also has intimate knowledge of the Rangers organization sentiment on their own players and where they fit in their current or future plans which would be used by other teams when it comes to trades.
Is the tweets meant more of if that J.D. was available, then Columbus would hire him?

Teams don't tweet speculation.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Someone correct me if I am wrong. J.D. should not be allowed to speak with or even be in the same room with anyone from the Columbus organization. He is still under contract with the Rangers.
He has all knowledge of our upcoming draft lists and he also has intimate knowledge of the Rangers organization sentiment on their own players and where they fit in their current or future plans which would be used by other teams when it comes to trades.
Is the tweets meant more of if that J.D. was available, then Columbus would hire him?

I'm sure Dolan gave him permission, which releases him from the $5M per year that's left on his contract. Billionaires love of money trumps everything else.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Teams don't tweet speculation.

Insanity. Been following this team for 5 decades and this ranks among the stupidest things that had ever been done.

 

[NYR Viper]

If we think JD is going to share inside info that isn't already known around the league that's hilarious. These teams all share guys and guys know eachother from past roles. It's more of a gentlemen's club than we believe to be I am sure

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I'm sure Dolan gave him permission, which releases him from the $5M per year that's left on his contract. Billionaires love of money trumps everything else.

Columbus drafts before us. Surely another three months of J.D. pay is worth that. I would say unbelievable but I have to remember that this is the Rangers.

 

[smoneil]

Why are they writing articles based on proposed open market UFA rates?

Better question I guess, why read them if that is what they are doing?

I've been wavering on that subscription for this very reason. The Jets coverage is pretty good, but the coverage on the Yankees and the Knicks is inconsistent, and the MLS coverage is almost non-existent. Rangers get regular stories from Carp, but they are frequently frustrating as he comes across as more of a fan. If he likes a player, they get 90% of the story, and if he doesn't like a player, they never get mentioned. He spent half of his space down the stretch writing as Quinn's PR man. He also does stuff like "hinting" at big stories (the supposed issue with Lemieux) only to never follow up on it. There's nothing wrong with that on a site like HF, but for a paid subscription site? It gets annoying after a while.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Columbus drafts before us. Surely another three months of J.D. pay is worth that. I would say unbelievable but I have to remember that this is the Rangers.

I fail to see the outrage beyond JD being fired in the first place....

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If we think JD is going to share inside info that isn't already known around the league that's hilarious. These teams all share guys and guys know eachother from past roles. It's more of a gentlemen's club than we believe to be I am sure

I don’t believe teams share which prospects they will be drafting.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I fail to see the outrage beyond JD being fired in the first place....

The outrage is J.D. knows who we will be targeting with our draft picks. Columbus has not had recent success in drafting and we have.
if you are J.D. whose list will you be using come July?

 

[pld459666]

Trouba came back for a poor first season because he finally had a good partner. Became a team leader and possible captain in the process. If they move Miller it is back to square one with Trouba and I would not be willing to do that at all. People complaining about Miller, he is still one of the youngest players in the NHL! He can develop the physical side of his game. You move him you don’t have anyone to step in and you are also risking Trouba regression. It’s dumb, and will wind up costing much more to get a replacement in.

That is an assumption you are making.

Trouba could have been that same player this year with any player.

Its just as possible that he played better this year regardless of partner than it is that his play this year was the result of being paired with a rookie.

In fact, I'd venture a guess its that Trouba was just better this year than last.

 

[pld459666]

I fail to see the outrage beyond JD being fired in the first place....

Much adoo about nothing.

 

[NYR Viper]

The outrage is J.D. knows who we will be targeting with our draft picks. Columbus has not had recent success in drafting and we have.
if you are J.D. whose list will you be using come July?

So the new guy comes in to the organization and in the meeting where they are discussing their prospect list just tells everyone to shut up and use what he recalls as the Rangers finalized list?

The Blue Jackets have pro scouts who have been following these kids for years. They aren't going to change their opinion because Gordie Clarke or Nik Bobrov like player x

 

[pld459666]

The outrage is J.D. knows who we will be targeting with our draft picks. Columbus has not had recent success in drafting and we have.
if you are J.D. whose list will you be using come July?

His own??

 

[a tribe cq]

I'm starting to realize the internet is so caught up in wanting revenge for Tom Wilson that they are forgetting fighters don't correlate to having a tough team.

The 'toughness' we could use is tough to play against on the boards, on the puck, on the forecheck...we don't need a deterrent to Tom Wilson...The reason a player like that IS effective is because of the other things he does in his game, not the fighting.

Panarin, Krieder, Laf, Kakko, Zib, Chytil, Buch and even Krav are all strong on the puck and tough on the boards...built for playoff hockey. Trouba and Lindgren are tough in the same vein in the defensive end and use their bodies effectively to remove forwards from the puck. Hell even Fox's boardplay is tough as nails. Would love to see KAM use the body a bit more in regards to puck seperation. What we truly need is a rolling forecheck with talent on the 4th line that can succeed in defensive zone deployments. We also glaringly need faceoff help. Sure it's nice to have someone WILLING to drop them when necessary, they just caught us at a time where most of ours were injured. Our trajectory at forward, if everyone takes the next step shouldn't be really touched at least in the top 6....we could use role players that have specific talents that can be deployed up and down the lineup that are tough to play against IE, Cizikas, Coleman, Martinook, Nosek, Goodrow...heck even Getzlaf, Perry or Chiasson.

This is obviously outside of any cap casualties but if we should ideally roll out a top 9 of:

Laf - Zib - Buch
Panarin - Chytil - Kakko
Kreider - Strome - Krav

^ That's a playoff-style hockey top 9 easily. Speed, strength, size...ability to get stuff done in the dirty areas and LOADS of skill.

The last thing this team needs is a fighter.

 

[SRHRangers]

This is insanity on the part of Dolan and Drury if this is true unless we are getting the Columbus 2023 1st round pick as competition.

He was fired, not resigned.

He can go wherever he wants.

Think Doc Rivers couldn't coach the 76ers because he was with the Clippers last season?

 

[SRHRangers]

And if the Rangers get anyone this offseason, it would be to take Cizikas from the Island.