Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[duhmetreE]

florida hockey was fun in the reg season and did what in the playoffs? i expect nj to repeat that as well if they follow the script, but again what exactly is that style? winning? someone tell me an actual style you want? good coaches adjust to what they have on the roster so just saying I want coach X means nothing bc coach X is going to coach differently in colorado then they would in phili...

and I thought the same for Colorado

 

[bleedblue94]

and I thought the same for Colorado

I dont think most people did though.

 

[CLW]

This is the answer. He's not getting traded unless he asks out, which he's most likely not going to.

This guy was a true alpha of a player in Columbus and in his first 1.5 years here. He was dominant every shift.

You need to fix Panarin. All this talk about trading him (with money retained lmao as if retaining almost 6m a year for multiple seasons is anything remotely resembling a good idea) is pointless.

He was a player who was attacking every shift, always trying to beat players and make creative decisions with an EXTREMELY varied approach which is what made him so hard to defend, not only the talent and vision but he was so unpredictable. He was also a puck hound when he didn't have it, i remember marveling at his forechecking and how relentless he was when he didn't have the puck. Now he's taking 2 minute shifts and lollygagging back to the bench.

He's obviously gotten complacent and stale, his issues are between his ears. Sad to say, not that I would've wanted him specifically, but Torts is the perfect coach for a guy like Panarin. Gallant gives him too much freedom and leeway and a guy who freelances as much as Panarin does needs to have structure around him and instilled in him to be able to freelance off of. If you're just freelancing all the time, it turns into what he's been the last year: a guy who looks like he's aimless and floating and not trying half the time.

Panarin is HALF the player he was physically. That's the issue and why he is lollygagging and pony prancing to get his assists. I don't think it's possible for him to get his old physique back without some serious "help".

 

[kinger8998]

Players flourish under Gallant year 1 because hes a hands off coach who normally follows an overbearing or stale coach. He's fresh. Players feel more free, and he gets results year one.

The issue is once players get too accustomed to this, without the right roster, complacency and eventually regression set in. And, as in each case before, the only reason hes there is because leadersship and the team couldn't handle the last coach. So when the freshness wear off, his teams lack internal leadership to right the ship.

Its a vicious cycle, and shockingly as few could have seen, it seems its already run its course. I would've said 0% chance Gallant is canned prior to season, but now, and if we lose tonight, I think we are looking at a very different situation.

 

[duhmetreE]

I keep seeing you post Quenneville as a coach you want. He covered up sexual assault/rape. He should be banned from the league forever.He was supposed to protect his players. Why on earth would you want him coaching this team?

Yeah, I think it's a little more nuanced than that.

The org handled it terribly.

 

[TheDirtyH]

florida hockey was fun in the reg season and did what in the playoffs? i expect nj to repeat that as well if they follow the script, but again what exactly is that style? winning? someone tell me an actual style you want? good coaches adjust to what they have on the roster so just saying I want coach X means nothing bc coach X is going to coach differently in colorado then they would in phili...

The devils have a much better and deeper defense than the Panthers did and they don't give up much at all. Their only apparent weaknesses are in goal (which having a good defense corps helps), their size (which is also part of why they're so fast), and their youth.

This year's devils are much more like last year's avalanche than last year's Panthers.

To your question, I'd like to see player much closer together on the ice, ala the Kings of their championship years. Sutter style would be great for this team. I wouldn't want trotz bc I think he's very overrated but Babcock is the coach I'd go for. Get your players always keyed into being available and supporting the puck carrier in all zones. Nobody on the ice should be waiting for something to happen. If you don't have the puck, run a pick, slow the forecheck down for your defenseman, move up the ice with as many players as possible.

 

[Atax]

Yeah, I think it's a little more nuanced than that.

The org handled it terribly.

How is it nuanced? He lied and said he knew nothing about it. He only admitted to it after the fact. He should've reported it immediately and protected his players. He released a small statement and barely even apologized. It's disgusting. He's a disgusting human being. Imagine that's your child. Your friend. Their life ruined. And he helps cover it up. Sorry. Its not nuanced to me. That's the last Ill say about it. I hope you take some time to reflect on wanting this evil man as a coach.

 

[kinger8998]

Players flourish under Gallant year 1 because hes a hands off coach who normally follows an overbearing or stale coach. He's fresh. Players feel more free, and he gets results year one.

The issue is once players get too accustomed to this, without the right roster, complacency and eventually regression set in. And, as in each case before, the only reason hes there is because leadersship and the team couldn't handle the last coach. So when the freshness wear off, his teams lack internal leadership to right the ship.

Its a vicious cycle, and shockingly as few could have seen, it seems its already run its course. I would've said 0% chance Gallant is canned prior to season, but now, and if we lose tonight, I think we are looking at a very different situation.

I also agree that we need to not cater to overpaid star players.
I was always a big fan of grabbing Kane at the right price, but if its to get Panarin going and not to attempt to put this team over the top, thats pathetic. Our 11.6 million man needs to get himself going.

Also, no need to waste your breath and time fantasizing about Panarin, Trouba or Kreider trades. We are stuck folks. The only guys who waive NMC's are aging rentals at their own desire (Giroux, Kane this year) and guys who know they won't be picked in expansion drafts (Lucic).

That is why GM's are reluctant to hand these out. Gorton and now Drury hand them out like candy. Trocheck hasn't fit with Panarin like Strome did. The style differences thought to hopefully help Panarin was always a risk, and it hasn't beared reward. That contract has an NMC so we're stuck there too.

The roster can be changed only at the fringes and therein lies the issue. Goodrow and Lindgren become the 2 most likely bigger than 1-2 million cap moves, yet they are 2 of our players who show the most leadership on ice through play, and Goodrow also has a NMC which will convert to NTC and is a noted lockerroom leader, something we shouldn't be exactly inclined to throw away with the state of the team.

I wouldn't throw it all at Gallants feet, we have star players who suck right now and as much as Gallant "doesn't have them ready" I liked the quote about not being a babysitter. These are highly pair men who need to sort their shit out.

But with the way our roster is constructed with NMCs and high money underperformers, Gallant will fall on the sword

 

[kinger8998]

I also agree that we need to not cater to overpaid star players.
I was always a big fan of grabbing Kane at the right price, but if its to get Panarin going and not to attempt to put this team over the top, thats pathetic. Our 11.6 million man needs to get himself going.

Also, no need to waste your breath and time fantasizing about Panarin, Trouba or Kreider trades. We are stuck folks. The only guys who waive NMC's are aging rentals at their own desire (Giroux, Kane this year) and guys who know they won't be picked in expansion drafts (Lucic).

That is why GM's are reluctant to hand these out. Gorton and now Drury hand them out like candy. Trocheck hasn't fit with Panarin like Strome did. The style differences thought to hopefully help Panarin was always a risk, and it hasn't beared reward. That contract has an NMC so we're stuck there too.

The roster can be changed only at the fringes and therein lies the issue. Goodrow and Lindgren become the 2 most likely bigger than 1-2 million cap moves, yet they are 2 of our players who show the most leadership on ice through play, and Goodrow also has a NMC which will convert to NTC and is a noted lockerroom leader, something we shouldn't be exactly inclined to throw away with the state of the team.

I wouldn't throw it all at Gallants feet, we have star players who suck right now and as much as Gallant "doesn't have them ready" I liked the quote about not being a babysitter. These are highly pair men who need to sort their shit out.

But with the way our roster is constructed with NMCs and high money underperformers, Gallant will fall on the sword

Don't get me wrong either, this doesn't absolve Gallant of blame.

He cites "internal stats" as a reason for not going back to the very effective top lines from the first 11 games with Kakko and Laf in top 6.

We had a 6-3-2 record and despite losses to Boston and the Islanders after that, he scapegoated young players in top 6 as opposed to the star players and defense who facilitated the collapse against the Islanders.

Right then and there was when the season unravelled. Blame laid of Kakko and Laf (not literally maybe but lineup decisions dictated that), and no accountability was laid for what it should have been: leadership, top players, defense and to a lesser extent the goaltending.
It was a microcosm of what we saw against Tampa. Dominant 2 wins = up 3-1. Tampa ties series = 3-2 goal. Gallant scratched Kakko = Gallant demoting Kakko and Laf. The team has poor internal leadership and mixed with a hands off coach, it can unravel just as we've seen happen over the last 13 games or whatever its been now.

Clearly, our star players, who tend to disappear when needed most, have perfrmance and accountability issues. Since we are unable to send a message by trading one of them due to NMC's, the Rangers must resort to firing the man who won't hold them accountable if this continues tonight against St Louis.

And I'm not the type to always hate the coach. Love Torts. Wasn't an AV fan, his effect year 1 was similar to Gallants, its just that team had a MUCH stronger leadership core (McDonagh, St Louis, Girardi, Staal) to fall back on the next year. Wasn't a Quinn fan. And aside from Gallant having accountability issues with star guys that he blames on young guys punishing them unduly and wrecking their confidence, I don't dislike him.

But it seems like, as currently constructed, this roster is no longer able to get by with a hands off coach who won't pressure his top guys. I'd love to be proved wrong by team leadership and Gallant himself, but I don't see that happening

 

[Levitate]

Don't get me wrong either, this doesn't absolve Gallant of blame.

He cites "internal stats" as a reason for not going back to the very effective top lines from the first 11 games with Kakko and Laf in top 6.

We had a 6-3-2 record and despite losses to Boston and the Islanders after that, he scapegoated young players in top 6 as opposed to the star players and defense who facilitated the collapse against the Islanders.

Right then and there was when the season unravelled. Blame laid of Kakko and Laf (not literally maybe but lineup decisions dictated that), and no accountability was laid for what it should have been: leadership, top players, defense and to a lesser extent the goaltending.
It was a microcosm of what we saw against Tampa. Dominant 2 wins = up 3-1. Tampa ties series = 3-2 goal. The team has poor internal leadership and mixed with a hands off coach, it can unravel just as we've seen happen over the last 13 games or whatever its been now.

Agree with this. The problem with citing "internal stats" is that the results have been even worse when he switched things up to be more in line with these "internal stats". So the team is now playing even worse and losing but you're happy to keep things as they are because the better lines early in the year "gave up a little bit more"?

Cmon

And yes, always the young players getting the axe. Instead of relying on them to be the future of the team they're shoved down the lineup and looked on to be role players

 

[kinger8998]

The devils have a much better and deeper defense than the Panthers did and they don't give up much at all. Their only apparent weaknesses are in goal (which having a good defense corps helps), their size (which is also part of why they're so fast), and their youth.

This year's devils are much more like last year's avalanche than last year's Panthers.

To your question, I'd like to see player much closer together on the ice, ala the Kings of their championship years. Sutter style would be great for this team. I wouldn't want trotz bc I think he's very overrated but Babcock is the coach I'd go for. Get your players always keyed into being available and supporting the puck carrier in all zones. Nobody on the ice should be waiting for something to happen. If you don't have the puck, run a pick, slow the forecheck down for your defenseman, move up the ice with as many players as possible.

Couple things here. Agree on the Devils, if anything unravels them its going to be Vanacek and Blackwood, not the rest of their roster, which is constructed very, very well.

Agree on Trotz point. If we want more Goodrow and Vesey top 6, we may as well just keep Gallant. Trotz stapled Komarov to Barzal, yet because the Islanders got INSANE goaltending from Sorokin and Varly, everyon heralds him as GOAT coach. He's a good defense oriented coach, with strong systems, BUT has many of the same flaws that Gallant does in terms of lineup decisions and player deployment. Good coach, you don't have some of the success he's had by mistake, but overrated, yes.

I also think there is this MASSIVE misconception between systematic play and accountability. We can get a coach with the best X's and O's ever seen to mankind, but if he resorts to Goodrow and Vesey over Laf and Kakko as his blame game and changes to hold the team accountable, we are no better off. The issue lies in our top guys not buying into systems.

Now, Gallants + is hands off, so he does not place a ton of emphasis in system structure. So if he can't get his star players to conform to a system that only slightly changes their play and doesn't ask them to do all that much to sacrifice points for team, whos to say someone coming in to put a defensive structure into place will help?

The focus with this team should be less on exact X and O's system and more on, teams go as their top guys go so heres your wakeup call. A coach who is going to have consequences for the stars who neglect to play as such. Theres your pipe dream folks, you want Panarin and Kreider waiving their NMC's? Bring in a coach who is going to push them to be their best and they will either answer the bell or break and waive the NMC for a trade.

I'm not advocating or hoping they do that of course, but what I am advocating for is a coach who is not afraid to lay the blame squarely where it belongs, at the feet of the highly paid underperforming stars who neglect to play straightforward hockey, no matter what system its within.

Offensive system, defensive system, whatever "type" of system it is, accountability is needed. Thats where the focus should be.

 

[karljans8279]

Couple things here. Agree on the Devils, if anything unravels them its going to be Vanacek and Blackwood, not the rest of their roster, which is constructed very, very well.

Agree on Trotz point. If we want more Goodrow and Vesey top 6, we may as well just keep Gallant. Trotz stapled Komarov to Barzal, yet because the Islanders got INSANE goaltending from Sorokin and Varly, everyon heralds him as GOAT coach. He's a good defense oriented coach, with strong systems, BUT has many of the same flaws that Gallant does in terms of lineup decisions and player deployment. Good coach, you don't have some of the success he's had by mistake, but overrated, yes.

I also think there is this MASSIVE misconception between systematic play and accountability. We can get a coach with the best X's and O's ever seen to mankind, but if he resorts to Goodrow and Vesey over Laf and Kakko as his blame game and changes to hold the team accountable, we are no better off. The issue lies in our top guys not buying into systems.

Now, Gallants + is hands off, so he does not place a ton of emphasis in system structure. So if he can't get his star players to conform to a system that only slightly changes their play and doesn't ask them to do all that much to sacrifice points for team, whos to say someone coming in to put a defensive structure into place will help?

The focus with this team should be less on exact X and O's system and more on, teams go as their top guys go so heres your wakeup call. A coach who is going to have consequences for the stars who neglect to play as such. Theres your pipe dream folks, you want Panarin and Kreider waiving their NMC's? Bring in a coach who is going to push them to be their best and they will either answer the bell or break and waive the NMC for a trade.

I'm not advocating or hoping they do that of course, but what I am advocating for is a coach who is not afraid to lay the blame squarely where it belongs, at the feet of the highly paid underperforming stars who neglect to play straightforward hockey, no matter what system its within.

Offensive system, defensive system, whatever "type" of system it is, accountability is needed. Thats where the focus should be.

All I know is the year before Trotz was hired ( under Doug Weight) the Islanders were one of the worst teams defensively I have ever seen. They regularly gave up 40+ shots/ 4 plus goals a night. The next season with virtually the same roster ( minus Tavares) under Trotz they gave up the fewest goals in the league and their goalies won the Jennings Trophy. Those Islanders teams on paper had no business sniffing the playoffs and they almost knocked off Tampa twice. Trotz will make some frustrating lineup decisions but the Rangers will not be giving up 2 or 3 goal leads and would be a pain in the ass to play against

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Florida's issue last year wasn't really even their defense.

Goaltending and their scoring completely getting stifled in tighter games killed them. I can totally see that happening to NJ.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Florida's issue last year wasn't really even their defense.

Goaltending and their scoring completely getting stifled in tighter games killed them. I can totally see that happening to NJ.

sure, but you can build a great postseason roster and miss the playoffs too.

 

[kinger8998]

All I know is the year before Trotz was hired ( under Doug Weight) the Islanders were one of the worst teams defensively I have ever seen. They regularly gave up 40+ shots/ 4 plus goals a night. The next season with virtually the same roster ( minus Tavares) under Trotz they gave up the fewest goals in the league and their goalies won the Jennings Trophy. Those Islanders teams on paper had no business sniffing the playoffs and they almost knocked off Tampa twice. Trotz will make some frustrating lineup decisions but the Rangers will not be giving up 2 or 3 goal leads and would be a pain in the ass to play against

We have already went from giving up one of the most shots to far fewer. We statistically, although not as dominantly as we were at the start, controlling the gameplay. You said it right there, goaltending won the Jennings trophy. Sure, they were likely helped by Trotz systems, but they've also continued to thrive without him there.

Goaltending is the position in hockey that can tank a team. And although Igor should be the least of our worries, both he and Halak have lost us games and standings points this year. Its funny how prior to TDL, the team with essentially this same pre-deadline roster was bleeding chances but Igor balled, but when the team figures it out and is the "expected winner" SV% and SH% tank out actual results.

Its been a combination of SV%, SH%, poor leadership, underperforming stars, and questionably coaching decisions gone wrong and that is never a recipe for success.

I could very well be wrong, but we need a strong accountability coach, not a restrictive systems coach. Barzal is young, and much like we complain about Laf and Kakko not getting chances, Trotz stapled Komarov to Barzal because he didn't trust him enough to not have "one of his guys" on his line. We complain about the same things with Laf and Kakko. Is the same as blaming Kakko and Laf now when its the star guys that deserve the blame.

This teams next coach doesn't need world-beating systems or to reinvent the wheel, what this team needs is a coach who isn't afraid to elevate the guys who are willing to play the right way (Kakko Laf Chytil) despite them being young (they've earned it now through improved play and willingness to forecheck and play to their strengths within a system, its not handing it to them) over guys who are cashing cheques, underperforming, and doing what they want as opposed to the team (Panarin, Kreider)

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Before everyone mails it in, Rangers are only 2 points behind the Wings for the 2nd Wildcard. There's another 56 regular season games remaining.


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2 points behind the Wings but 11th in winning percentage. Not all teams have played the same number of games.
Montreal is 10th.
Bedard or Bust!!!

 

[IDvsEGO]

We have already went from giving up one of the most shots to far fewer. We statistically, although not as dominantly as we were at the start, controlling the gameplay. You said it right there, goaltending won the Jennings trophy. Sure, they were likely helped by Trotz systems, but they've also continued to thrive without him there.

Goaltending is the position in hockey that can tank a team. And although Igor should be the least of our worries, both he and Halak have lost us games and standings points this year. Its funny how prior to TDL, the team with essentially this same pre-deadline roster was bleeding chances but Igor balled, but when the team figures it out and is the "expected winner" SV% and SH% tank out actual results.

Its been a combination of SV%, SH%, poor leadership, underperforming stars, and questionably coaching decisions gone wrong and that is never a recipe for success.

I could very well be wrong, but we need a strong accountability coach, not a restrictive systems coach. Barzal is young, and much like we complain about Laf and Kakko not getting chances, Trotz stapled Komarov to Barzal because he didn't trust him enough to not have "one of his guys" on his line. We complain about the same things with Laf and Kakko. Is the same as blaming Kakko and Laf now when its the star guys that deserve the blame.

This teams next coach doesn't need world-beating systems or to reinvent the wheel, what this team needs is a coach who isn't afraid to elevate the guys who are willing to play the right way (Kakko Laf Chytil) despite them being young (they've earned it now through improved play and willingness to forecheck and play to their strengths within a system, its not handing it to them) over guys who are cashing cheques, underperforming, and doing what they want as opposed to the team (Panarin, Kreider)

Our best year in the hank era, was the first year of AV's system. Where the players still had the tort mentality of blocking shots, but also more open about going for offense.
The islanders are in that phase right now.
Teams that want to open up offense typically do so at the expense of defense.
A few teams can do both.

The islanders are not one of them.

 

[kinger8998]

Our best year in the hank era, was the first year of AV's system. Where the players still had the tort mentality of blocking shots, but also more open about going for offense.
The islanders are in that phase right now.
Teams that want to open up offense typically do so at the expense of defense.
A few teams can do both.

The islanders are not one of them.

I don' t disagree and definitely don't mean to be argumentative if I'm misconstruing your point, but with the age of our core, we can't really afford a 3 year Trotz window where we continue to play Veseys and Goodrows over Lafs and Kakkos while also torpedoing our offense.

Our only chance at a sustained window is getting Laf and Kakko to flourish. If we don't, I truly don't mean to be pessimistic but we are F**ked. Our core in underperforming and aging locked into long-term big money deals with no wiggle room due to NMCs. The vision here was we have a solid core that would be supplmented by being able to see Kakko and Laf grow into future core players while they played through ELCs and bridges (hasn't happened) and eventually into long-term deals signed at somewhat of a discount (as compared to what it would cost to replace via FA) as homegrown talents.

Barzal stagnated under Trotz. We can't afford anything but improvement from Laf and Kakko and I truly believe that. They've earned it, they've dealt with Quinn, they've dealt with being someone of the whipping boy of Gallant in terms of being the only ones held accountable and seemingly suffering the consequences of every small team setback that sometimes has nothing to do with them. It's not handing the keys to the rookies unwarranted anymore, they've earned an extended look.

May as well, because whats happening right now isn't working. Thats why accountability and presence are the most needed factors in the next coach. A guy who isn't going to be rolled over by players and contracts, and who isn't afraid to do what needs to be done in terms of callouts and lineup choices to get the most of of his stars and light a fire under them. This team is far too lacsadasical and laid back and non chalant because there is no consequence if you're over 28 and are paid 5+ a year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don' t disagree and definitely don't mean to be argumentative if I'm misconstruing your point, but with the age of our core, we can't really afford a 3 year Trotz window where we continue to play Veseys and Goodrows over Lafs and Kakkos while also torpedoing our offense.

Our only chance at a sustained window is getting Laf and Kakko to flourish. If we don't, I truly don't mean to be pessimistic but we are F**ked. Our core in underperforming and aging locked into long-term big money deals with no wiggle room due to NMCs. The vision here was we have a solid core that would be supplmented by being able to see Kakko and Laf grow into future core players while they played through ELCs and bridges (hasn't happened) and eventually into long-term deals signed at somewhat of a discount (as compared to what it would cost to replace via FA) as homegrown talents.

Barzal stagnated under Trotz. We can't afford anything but improvement from Laf and Kakko and I truly believe that. They've earned it, they've dealt with Quinn, they've dealt with being someone of the whipping boy of Gallant in terms of being the only ones held accountable and seemingly suffering the consequences of every small team setback that sometimes has nothing to do with them. It's not handing the keys to the rookies unwarranted anymore, they've earned an extended look.

May as well, because whats happening right now isn't working. Thats why accountability and presence are the most needed factors in the next coach. A guy who isn't going to be rolled over by players and contracts, and who isn't afraid to do what needs to be done in terms of callouts and lineup choices to get the most of of his stars and light a fire under them. This team is far too lacsadasical and laid back and non chalant because there is no consequence if you're over 28 and are paid 5+ a year.

That definitely wasnt the point of my post.

I want no part of trotz.

There was a previous post that pointed out the isles are still blocking shots. And my comment was just "yeah because they havent entirely unlearnt that yet"

The problem is that there are absolutely no good coaching options at the moment that wouldn't do the exact same thing to the kids.
Gallant was supposed to at least have a history of helping kids along. He doesnt seem to be able to do that or even want to do that.

 

[duhmetreE]

I dont think most people did though.

It's similar styles.

The difference between the teams, you wont win unless your top players produce like top players.

It's been our biggest issue since we actually won the Cup.

 

[cheech70]

 

[bleedblue94]

It's similar styles.

The difference between the teams, you wont win unless your top players produce like top players.

It's been our biggest issue since we actually won the Cup.

Disagree. Just bc they have effective offenses doesn't mean they have similar styles

The devils have a much better and deeper defense than the Panthers did and they don't give up much at all. Their only apparent weaknesses are in goal (which having a good defense corps helps), their size (which is also part of why they're so fast), and their youth.

This year's devils are much more like last year's avalanche than last year's Panthers.

To your question, I'd like to see player much closer together on the ice, ala the Kings of their championship years. Sutter style would be great for this team. I wouldn't want trotz bc I think he's very overrated but Babcock is the coach I'd go for. Get your players always keyed into being available and supporting the puck carrier in all zones. Nobody on the ice should be waiting for something to happen. If you don't have the puck, run a pick, slow the forecheck down for your defenseman, move up the ice with as many players as possible.

I think they're much more like the Panthers pre deadline. I guess we're going to find out though because at some point as the season gets tougher we'll see what that group's actually made of. Every year there are these finesse -ish teams that are very successful in the regular season and then struggle when the game changes in the playoffs. That group is not played in the playoffs at all for another of years and I would be shocked they have any substantial success this year when they get their first taste of it. Maybe I'll be wrong, but it rarely works out that a team that's missed the playoffs for a long while suddenly gets in and is a major threat first year.

 

[duhmetreE]

Disagree. Just bc they have effective offenses doesn't mean they have similar styles

They have very similar systems. Open, up tempo, attack as 5.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Terrible trade

 

[bleedblue94]

They have very similar systems. Open, up tempo, attack as 5.

I mean that's not a system, that just playing modern offense. Tell me 5 teams in the league that don't want to do what you just said. That's how you make offense in the NHL now, that's also why teams that don't do those basics rarely win.