Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[NYR Viper]

I mean Brad Richards cost the team how much?

 

[Synergy27]

So, I’m on board with the season being lost. The conference is too competitive and the team is obviously dealing with multiple on and off ice issues right now.

Let’s trade a vet, however hard that will be to accomplish. Let’s stockpile some more picks in a good draft. Great, I like it.

But what are we also doing at the organizational foundation level to ensure that the prospects garnered are developed properly?

I am uninterested in any roster level moves until I see something done deeper in the organization that can convince me that they’ve determined the root cause of our inability to develop kids and adequately addressed it.

 

[CLW]

How does Drury go to Dolan and ask him to write off on a 9 million dollar mistake?
…and that doesn’t even count the money that will be needed to bring in the new coach and his staff.

Depends on making the playoffs this season can offset the losses, or saving 9 million dollars and losing out on the playoffs is worth more ka-ching (doubtful).

 

[EdJovanovski]

I watch his YouTube videos.


The Rangers are playing Chicago again in 2 weeks.

I go to his hockey meetups and he thought I played in the WHL. Someone said in a livestream they want to go but they’re nervous because someone who goes is a WHL player and he said oh Jesse? The Rangers fan?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Pain

 

[SA16]

Here's a fun one:


To Boston
Kreider + Carpenter

to NYR:
Debrusk + Foligno + BOS 1st '23 + 3rd '23


To EDM:
Debrusk + Gettinger

to NYR:
Puljujaarvi + Janmark + EDM 1st '23 + 3rd '23

Lineup:
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Chytil-Puljujaarvi
Foligno-Trochek-Kravtsov
Blais-Goodrow-Gauthier
Janmark, Vesey

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Hajek-Trouba

Why are the Bruins, of a 20-3 record, trading their top line RW? If they want to make space to add someone they can do it by trading guys that aren't key to their team - like Craig Smith who makes 3.1M and is a healthy scratch most days, or Foligno as you mention. They are also much stronger at LW (Marchand/Hall/Zacha) than they would be a RW without DeBrusk (Pastrnak/Frederic/Greer/Smith if he plays again)

 

[Fitzy]

People in here seem to think that the Potemkin village has fallen.

Let's see where we are at the New Years.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I thought Reaves sudden request for a trade came at an odd time. I suspect he saw this group as a lost cause.

That's a bingo

 

[duhmetreE]

How does Drury go to Dolan and ask him to write off on a 9 million dollar mistake?
…and that doesn’t even count the money that will be needed to bring in the new coach and his staff.

the same way buyouts are explained. the same way his management team tells him they're $200-300M over budget for MSG Sphere.

A good product brings in cash. Cash flow is king. How will ticket sales be affected with the current product? How many playoff games does it take to make up that 3.5M?

 

[smoneil]

I think there are two key issues with the roster right now.

1- It's obviously built in an unbalanced way (LWs out the wazoo and nary a RW to be found).
2- Some of the line staples just aren't working, but they've been together for so long that nobody wants to mess with them.

Re: 1--As others have already stated, the albatross in the room is Panarin. Since the Wilson/Putin incidents, he just hasn't been the same player. Signing him wasn't a bad idea--at the time, not only had we not drafted Laf, but we basically had no top-6 LW prospects in the system at all. But today? We could use some more picks in this reportedly stacked draft. We could use a real top 6 RW. Trading Panarin with some retention could net us that and then some while also giving us some cap flexibility AND creating some roster space for Othmann if he's ready next season.

Re: 2--Kreider and Zib need to be split up. It hasn't worked at even strength since Buch went away, and Laf needs those minutes more than Kreider. I want to see a line of Kreider-Chytil-Kakko. It seems like a perfect set of complementary players and I can't fathom why it hasn't even been tried yet. That would leave Laf-Zib-New RW for the other top six line, and Trochek/Goodrow as the core of the 3rd line.

Another part of #2 is shaking up the PP. I didn't like the kids not getting PP1 time last season, but I understood it. PP1 was automatic. It isn't automatic anymore. Break it up and build two actual, interchangeable units that can evenly split the time.

 

[bhamill]

Holy moly. The hit was fine. Keep your damn head up Instead of whining about it afterward.
BTW, the bitchy article in general and the quotes from players and coaches are indicators that CHI would love to add Trouba.

 

[duhmetreE]

The absolute only way Panarin is moved is for a cornerstone piece. Is it possible? Sure, I guess.

The hate for him has grown immensely. Everyone is looking for someone to lash out at.

When EVERYONE on the team sucks, maybe there's a much bigger problem? and the players that are struggling are just the symptoms of it.

Panarin is a top5 talent. What are we trading him for? Draft picks? no. The logical course of action is to get the team in order, coaching is the major problem. This team needs it's hand held... They need to be told what to do and how to do it. If Gallant still thinks he's dealing with men from the 80-90's, therein lies a part of the problem.

The kids are not being taught anything. Their skills have deteriorated. It's now apparent in our vets too. Something has to change.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

This thread is ridiculous lol

You new around here?

 

[mas0764]

They're going to have to get really creative to move Panarin.

Kreider is the easiest to move. As limited as he is his cap hit isn't too stupid and he can fit in well on a contender that doesn't need him to be a factor 5v5 (if you send him to Boston, they're winning the cup.)

Panarin is the guy who 100% needs to go. I'll keep saying it, signing him probably kept the Islanders from winning the cup but it very well may end up keeping the Rangers from doing the same. I wish he stayed in Columbus.

I would trade Panarin but yes that cap hit makes it hard.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The obvious solution to a lot of problems is to start offering the kids more opportunities to try and light a fire under them so that they can do the lifting the vets refuse to do. I guarantee if you propose to Laf and Kakko that they will get all the mins they want if they turn this season around they will be different players. As I've said before the best Laf played last regular season was when he was on the first line and refound his mojo. It's time to hand the reins to the kids.

 

[mas0764]

Here's a fun one:


To Boston
Kreider + Carpenter

to NYR:
Debrusk + Foligno + BOS 1st '23 + 3rd '23

I think we can do better for Kreider.

I think you can get a first and a good or even elite prospect.

I still think that the back breaking moves were to go in on useless players like Goodrow and Reaves, which forced our hand when it came to players like Buch and Motte. And to make this worse, literally getting nothing for Buch when we did trade him. Then jerking around a talented forward like Kravtsov who clearly regressed from his first stint on the team. And we would have probably been better off on promoting Chytil and banking the cap space from Trocheck. We'd probably still be a very good team if we swapped those players.

What really sucks is that these weren't hindsight is 50/50 type moves. Every one of these was met by fan derision.

..... yes.

At least some of us met these moves with derision.

How does Drury go to Dolan and ask him to write off on a 9 million dollar mistake?
…and that doesn’t even count the money that will be needed to bring in the new coach and his staff.

Ironically I wouldn't riot if they keep Gallant, as long as they give him marching orders to develop and play the kids.

 

[mas0764]

So, I’m on board with the season being lost. The conference is too competitive and the team is obviously dealing with multiple on and off ice issues right now.

Let’s trade a vet, however hard that will be to accomplish. Let’s stockpile some more picks in a good draft. Great, I like it.

But what are we also doing at the organizational foundation level to ensure that the prospects garnered are developed properly?

I am uninterested in any roster level moves until I see something done deeper in the organization that can convince me that they’ve determined the root cause of our inability to develop kids and adequately addressed it.

Go find a team that has developed a lot of kids and then steal employees from them at whatever cost.

 

[NYR Viper]

Why are the Bruins, of a 20-3 record, trading their top line RW? If they want to make space to add someone they can do it by trading guys that aren't key to their team - like Craig Smith who makes 3.1M and is a healthy scratch most days, or Foligno as you mention. They are also much stronger at LW (Marchand/Hall/Zacha) than they would be a RW without DeBrusk (Pastrnak/Frederic/Greer/Smith if he plays again)

I was under the impression that Marchand could play RW as well as LW

 

[Kords]

Boston isn't moving any roster players, they are the best team in the entire world right now.

Kreider is the one vet I wouldn't trade. Just start playing him as the 3LW that he is.

32 thoughts podcast had a good chunk of Rangers talk. Nothing doing with Trotz as of yet, but has some serious concerns with Dolan (shocker).

 

[duhmetreE]

Boston isn't moving any roster players, they are the best team in the entire world right now.

Kreider is the one vet I wouldn't trade. Just start playing him as the 3LW that he is.

32 thoughts podcast had a good chunk of Rangers talk. Nothing doing with Trotz as of yet, but has some serious concerns with Dolan (shocker).

Kreider is the only one more valuable than his contract.

 

[bleedblue94]

It's really not when you think about it.

We are young enough that this is a temporary setback and an opportunity to reinforce our future with what we need.

We just need to give up the delusion that some on this board have that the Panarin/Zibanejad/Kreider/Trouba core is going to win us a Cup. It's not. It never should have been counted on.

I understand why they signed Panarin (too good to pass up), I understand why they traded for Trouba (Fox wasn't Fox yet) and I even understand why they extended Zibanejad (how can you let a 70 point center walk out the door at age 28?).

But those moves needed to accompany other moves then that kept their eye on the future, and they didn't. They doubled down with not trading Kreider when they had the chance to parlay him into a haul, holding onto DeAngelo too long, trading Buch for win-now grit instead of futures, locking into a terrible Goodrow contract, paying a first round pick for a Copp rental, and signing Trocheck to a horrendous unmovable deal.

Something needs to give somewhere. The time is now to cut bait with the overpriced veterans.

Oh, and re: Kreider, I understand that he's actually the best value and the one living up to his contract the most. And yet.... he's still not a needle mover from playoff team to true contender.

That's why he's so valuable for being moved and should be. It's not just punitive. He's 31, he's not going to win a Cup this year with us. How many more years of value does he have? He needs to be moved now, before it's too late. He could still probably fetch us a massive haul including a first and prime prospect.

you cant cut bait on the vets you invested in though. you cant trade them (no one has cap room) and no one here has the fortitude to bench them.

i continue to point to the trocheck signing as the one that locked them in. it used the rest of their cap to commit to this group as a whole and lock them in.

btw, trocheck is a team worst -10 on the season. worse than trouba or panarin. he is being played out of this usage to be his best. i said this summer and continue to say he is an elite 3c on a true contender and a 2c on a weak team that is hoping to contend. this is playing out as i said...

 

[DaBadGuy7]

Oh no

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Oh no

It just so happens that Gallant is terrible with accountability

What a combo

 

[fm]

If there's one guy who knows accountability, its the Straight Shot himself, JD (anyone else think he dumped John Davidson for having the audacity to steal his initials?)!

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Oh no

Personally I think that's a bogus report. Anyone could say that, given what's happened. Hell, you could guess that and probably be right.