Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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Agree, but they missed the playoffs by eight points. Under achievers coming off a breakout season. This team has plenty of talent but several of the big guns are badly under achieving. Same as 92-93.

Probably the biggest difference is that I don’t think Gallant has lost the team the way Nielsen did. Yet

This team checked out on GG & Co around the Winnipeg game. That is almost immediately after coming out of the pre-season... Maybe not him on a personal level, he's a likeable bloke, but the team cannot stand his decisions in many cases, just as this board facepalms much of the time. And the less said about his assistants the better by the looks of it. Something is very off, Trouba didn't speak up for no reason.

There is friction in the room even if the multitude of "leaders" (Trouba apart) pretend like nothing when it's they who should be on top of it. If they, the leaders, are the problem it's a HUGE problem to sort out. Friction with the coaches, friction within the team and friction within the locker room leadership... These frictions come from internal contradictions that need to be sorted out but are not easy to sort out.

Example: the leadership group are in the "win now group", if they want a cup the time is now. The kids are in a different situation, they need to establish themselves and grow into the next generation leaders, but they cannot since they are blocked by the star group. The kids are a different generation with a different approach.

Example 2: I don't think this is the typical "1 or 2 assholes" in the room stinking things up situation. I do think there are a multitude of different issues that are more subtle than personal dislike between people, which makes them difficult to pinpoint and address.

Example 3: Seeing Goodrow and Panarin laugh during scrums in the Blackhawk debacle while other Rangers were extremely frustrated was galling.

Is there someone mature and adult enough to see through all of this and come up with solutions? There rarely is and if they do they will have my admiration. If management works to shut things down and put the lid on things (like they have) things will deteriorate as we see now. This team's leadership issues begin at management level. Can management take responsibility instead of just kicking down?

Someone mentioned Colorado. Mackinnon and Mikko et al are strong leaders, but they are also the cutting edge of that group, they don't have the same contradictions to deal with since they are the cup core and they have both younger and older players around them as complements. The Ranger core is not of that caliber, and they are older, not older more mature in the sense the Bergeron group in Boston are but old enough to create a very marked divide to the kids that are the Rangers' next generation.

It's pretty clear GG & Co do not have a handle on the situation, their approach is not helping, so the players checked out. It does not help that upper management is not very competent. All of this adds up to frustrated players and star players playing for themselves.

I think the answer is clear who needs to be traded. To send a message, to change the culture, to releave cap space, and to gain assets.

Panarin has to be moved.

But, we know Drury will trade away 1sts, prospects, and players for Kane to placate Panarin instead.
Absolutely. Instead the Rangers will target players like Kane, Tarasenko and Domi depending on cap circumstances etc.
 
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I watch his YouTube videos.

If I'm Trouba, I make a(nother) point about earning my 8 million the next time I see Athanasiou on the ice.
The Rangers are playing Chicago again in 2 weeks.
 
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1/3rd of the way through the season and NYR have a total of 4 goals scored by Defensemen not named Adam Fox. Only 10 across the entire D corps.

That's pretty wild if you think about it.
 
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1/3rd of the way through the season and NYR have a total of 4 goals scored by Defensemen not named Adam Fox. Only 10 across the entire D corps.

That's pretty wild if you think about it.
Murphy grounded Jones because he made a daring offensive pass lol.
 
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I thought Reaves sudden request for a trade came at an odd time. I suspect he saw this group as a lost cause.
He was a healthy scratch for several games, all around the time that Gauthier, Blais and Kravtsov were getting back into the lineup. That, our slide, plus the page-six press from Brooks probably spurred the trade request.
 
I thought Reaves sudden request for a trade came at an odd time. I suspect he saw this group as a lost cause.
i think it was about his role lessening. he wasnt dressing, he was playing decent minutes here prior to that as a 4th liner since turk plays his 4th line a lot. what he probably saw was the increased reliance on the other vets and his role and playing decreasing. reavo did his job here and helped change the swagger around the org, but the others just didnt carry it onward. we say this starting to change for him in the playoffs when he was scratched. its hard to be the energy guy in the locker room when you dont play...
 
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Agree, but they missed the playoffs by eight points. Under achievers coming off a breakout season. This team has plenty of talent but several of the big guns are badly under achieving. Same as 92-93.

Probably the biggest difference is that I don’t think Gallant has lost the team the way Nielsen did. Yet
I want to know what happened in that second intermission during the first San Jose game. That’s when the rails started coming off
 
The team would have properly rebuilt if they just let Gorton run the rebuild without bringing in JD. I firmly believe that JD was brought in to expedite it.
he was brought it to be the buffer between the team builder and the owner, and then there was a little bit of a split bc jd was feeling some pressure and he was trying to protect gorts from it but that all went away with the wilson incident. there was no more buffering
 
Agree, but they missed the playoffs by eight points. Under achievers coming off a breakout season. This team has plenty of talent but several of the big guns are badly under achieving. Same as 92-93.

Probably the biggest difference is that I don’t think Gallant has lost the team the way Nielsen did. Yet
Even more is that we don't have several hall of fame players on the roster to dig us out of it and rebound the following season.

Messier was the alpha of alpha males in the NHL at that point, Leetch was already hall of fame bound, Graves was a harder worker than anyone on this team, Richter was far better than what Shesterkin is giving us right now. And nobody is close to Kovalev's level of talent. No Nemchinov. No Zubov.

Trouba can yell and throw things till the cows come home but nobody on this roster is going to respond. He doesn't have the talent to carry a team either.
 
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Agree, but they missed the playoffs by eight points. Under achievers coming off a breakout season. This team has plenty of talent but several of the big guns are badly under achieving. Same as 92-93.

Probably the biggest difference is that I don’t think Gallant has lost the team the way Nielsen did. Yet
not challenging you but genuinely curious how did you read the trouba presser? not the edited version but the live one with the full pause and all the comments? I took that as a guy calling out teammates and his coach.

I also think it would be hard for turk to lose the team as Nielsen did bc turk is a players coach through and through for his guys. Nielsen lost the team bc a top 10 all time player was traded here and he hated Roger and got him fired. Not really the same circumstance at all in my eyes.
 
One thing is clear: we entered this rebuild with the goal and expectation of coming out of it with a couple of drafted, home grown stars, and thought that we were gonna ace that objective when we won second and first overall picks in drafts where those selections were billed as more or less can’t miss.

Entering year 4/3 respectively, we can no longer assume Kakko and Lafreniere will become that caliber of player. Maybe they still develop, but it’s probably time to start lowering expectations of what a long term successful roles looks like for these two: maybe top line or top 6 high end support players more than the main stars or line drivers.

As such there is no scenario in which we don’t need to go back into the draft and get at least two more stud forwards. Start trading veteran forwards.
 
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Apparently we’ve also had the easiest schedule in the NHL so far… lol
I brought this up awhile ago when we were losing to sj, anh, minn, ect. This is going to get harder and this is why the Thanksgiving mark was important for this team. Based on their schedule they blew a big part of the year to accumulate easy points. Now they sit 11-10-5 26 games in, 5th in the division and 10th in the conference. Meanwhile, Montreal is two points behind with 2 games in hand...

Rangers, Islanders, Leafs, and caps have all played the most games in the east at this point. This is a bad situation...
 
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1/3rd of the way through the season and NYR have a total of 4 goals scored by Defensemen not named Adam Fox. Only 10 across the entire D corps.

That's pretty wild if you think about it.

What's wild about that? There have been 353 goals scored by defensemen this year. With 32 teams that's roughly an average of 11 goals/team by defensemen so far.
 
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I think the answer is clear who needs to be traded. To send a message, to change the culture, to releave cap space, and to gain assets.

Panarin has to be moved.

But, we know Drury will trade away 1sts, prospects, and players for Kane to placate Panarin instead.

That is just not going to happen. The only way it could possibly happen is if Panarin requests a trade. And even then, it turns into a Jack Eichel-type of drama-laden media circus that drags on and on while we try to find (1) a team that is interested, (2) a team that Panarin is willing to waive his NMC for, and (3) a team that has or can clear cap space for the contract. It could take a year or two to find a willing and able trade partner.
 
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I'm not Nostradamus here but my guess would be that the NYR general manager's office isn't talking about rebuilding around Fox just yet.

Coaching change? I'm sure it's come up by now. Roster shake-up trade? Undoubtedly discussed but tough with the salary cap.

But I think the whole 'look to deal Trouba, Kreider, Panarin' thing is still several orders of magnitude of shit birds away from us. If NYR change coached AND still miss the playoffs then maybe.
 
I didn't think this account was even alive. Well you'll all wish it was dead bc I'm here to take a victory lap.

I went OFF on how bad the panarin signing would be. Doesn't fit our window, he's likely going to start aging and be a negative when the kids need to be developing and don't. Worst of all he's going to convince our idiots in charge to go all in way too early w the wrong players

When trouba was brought in tge only thing I liked was his age. The fact he wasnt ancient? Huge plus.Then that contract came in and I was shown, oh right, we're run by actual idiots. They're actually pissing on the rebuild bc they have the patience of a toddler. Whwther it was gilroy, tim erixon, trouba, etc one thing thats always consistent is if this board loves a move to bring in a dman but no one can explain why their so good defensively, hes prob a shit player.

It became very quickly apparent we were too stupid to let the kids develop a year or two away from the nyr bc "itd look bad" lol. Ovie and malkin had a lockout year. Tons of the best players got time to grow strength, speed, etc. We, bc were the dumbest smart guys in the room, looked at slower top prospects, said, "perfect, get them here immediately" and then whatd we do?

Kids barely get minutes, they're given no room to make mistakes and we keep pissing all the cap and ice time away on guys who are at or near 30. We neeeeeever learn.

So naturally we commit massively to zib and ck instead of doing what ANY rebuilding team should do: trade them for a huge haul.

All bc we'd signed panarin so now it changed to "oh we have to win!"

win with what? Zib, ck, strome, etc were guys who quit out there, played passive and put up their usual points during their ny tenure? THEY QUIT on their coaxh and team multiple times and we gave them a quarter-half of the cap!? And people here wanted to argue w me these were GOOD players ro lock up well past 30 in a REBUILD!?

It was so obvious they were going to kill this rebuild the second they gave AP that deal. Sooooo obvious. Everyone and their mother wanted to insult me, tell me how dumb I am bc AP is so talented. Bc apmost no one here can think past the latest goal scored.

I ate a lot of shit here for pointing this all out well in advance. Now I get to watch everyone freaking out about a slower, more passive panarin, aging zib who does eff all 5 v 5, a disappearing ck (thats a shock! oh but he scored twice as much as his expected output in one season so a 6 year overpay is justified!).

Well I told you so. I was right, it sucks but it was obvious. The only right move is to bench or demote the shit out of these guys till they waive a nmc. Idgaf if we retain 50. Get them tf out and get some valuable prospects in. Ones who've already developed elsewhere so we can't completely ruin them. Give young guys all the ice time in the world, and stick w it for goddamn once
 
It's irrelevant anyway, none of Panarin, Kreider or Zibanejad are going anywhere.
I can see Drury having a Kravtsov type of tirade on Panarin.

Then Panarin will most likely look to get out or turn his game around
 
I'm not Nostradamus here but my guess would be that the NYR general manager's office isn't talking about rebuilding around Fox just yet.

Coaching change? I'm sure it's come up by now. Roster shake-up trade? Undoubtedly discussed but tough with the salary cap.

But I think the whole 'look to deal Trouba, Kreider, Panarin' thing is still several orders of magnitude of shit birds away from us. If NYR change coached AND still miss the playoffs then maybe.
And don't the stars know it. That's why they can skate around with a stupid grin on their face as Trouba gets his smashed in.
 
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