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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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If you guys want a laugh amongst all this misery, somebody on the main boards proposed this as a trade and then tried to defend it.

"Rangers have a kick ass team one of my favorite to whatch, but for some reason they don't have a great year.
I beleive (correct me if i am wrong) but the left side D is not great compare to all other positions.

Habs have a shit load of great LHD.

Habs : Jordan Harris (very smart LHD) + Edmundson (50%) + 2rd pick (probably a high one) + Ylonen
For
Rangers : Rangers and Dallas first in 2023, (top 5 protected on both)"
 
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UnSandvich said:
If you guys want a laugh amongst all this misery, somebody on the main boards proposed this as a trade and then tried to defend it.

"Rangers have a kick ass team one of my favorite to whatch, but for some reason they don't have a great year.
I beleive (correct me if i am wrong) but the left side D is not great compare to all other positions.

Habs have a shit load of great LHD.

Habs : Jordan Harris (very smart LHD) + Edmundson (50%) + 2rd pick (probably a high one) + Ylonen
For
Rangers : Rangers and Dallas first in 2023, (top 5 protected on both)"
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I haven't ventured to the main boards in months. It's such a disaster over there.
 
RangerBoy said:
The Rangers need to rebuild again.
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How do we convince Kreider, Trouba, Zibanejad and Panarin to waive? We could probably do well moving those pieces actually.

Off Sides said:
It's a cycle

Let's get that guy
Clauses, big cap hit, no big deal.
He's good, see
Well, he's still okay
Now he stinks
Rangers can't get rid of him?
Clauses, big cap hit, who gave those to him?
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Remember when people complained that the deals Drury was giving out weren’t good, and then those people were shouted down?

Yeah those deals weren’t good.
 
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mas0764 said:
How do we convince Kreider, Trouba, Zibanejad and Panarin to waive? We could probably do well moving those pieces actually.



Remember when people complained that the deals Drury was giving out weren’t good, and then those people were shouted down?

Yeah those deals weren’t good.
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I agree it's unlikely, but if they are truly as unhappy as their play indicates, it could be possible.
 
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Laffybomb said:
Gallant has to take the candies from the babies. If say Kreider or Panarin or whoever it is isn't pulling their weight, take them off the pp, reduce their ice, embarass them with less ice time until they get the message. At the same time show some faith in the kids to do that work. Its the only tool he can use, and he needs to.
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IDvsEGO said:
Drury needs to have a clear conversation with all of the vets.
"I am not moving any of the kids, you will be moved before they are. If we lose, and they don't play. Then we're not giving you reinforcements to continue to lose. The team will sink or swim with the kids after you've left.
You want to a cup, get the kids to play better. And stop whining when you play with them"
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I think these are both really good, constructive, feasible ideas. A very good starting point.
 
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Savant said:
Trading Adam Fox before his NMC kicks in because no other option to fix cap would be very dark, but is that their only out?
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No, you f***ing bury Trouba or Kreider somewhere until they waive.

This “you can’t pressure NMC players into agreeing to move” narrative is false. Happens all the time.
 
tomobson said:
The team is not as good as they were last season and they're not as bad as they're playing this year. Rangers were getting caved in night in and night out last season and pulling out bs wins. There was no way that was going to happen again. If Kakko and Laf can't step it up this rebuild/retool whatever you want to call it is not going to work. Kakko and Laf have been mishandled but they can still fix their mistakes...I just don't see this organization capable of it.
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It is true that we aren’t as bad as we are playing right now. But as bad as we are playing it drives home the point that we aren’t and haven’t been a real contender.

Conclusion is the same. Trade vets, keep chasing young players, develop your kids. It’s the only way. Clinging to thirty year olds who aren’t good enough is just repeating failure.
 
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SA16 said:
xG% is not reliable for the top players. They outscore their xG across the board by a lot. It's more useful as an aggregate for a team that for individual players who are far outside the norm. Let's take a look at 10 of the leading scorers in the league the last 3 years - excluding guys who play on the same team.

McDavid, Matthews, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Kaprizov, Robertson, MacKinnon, Panarin, Guentzel, Kane.

They combined for 1,383 GF on 1,125 xGF. Every single one outscored their xG. You can say it is biased because of the fact that I picked out the top scorers who obviously accrued GF, and it is true, but they do it consistently. Crosby has outscored his xG in all but two years. Ovechkin in all but three years. McDavid in all but one year. Panarin in every year.
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I think we’re comparing different things here. Yes, he should outscore his xG, as that is based on the average league player.

The above group you highlighted is, for the most part (Kane has been weak here for a while) above 50% xgf and in Rel+ territory on ice vs when off the ice. Panarin is not.

However, I agree that xgf% on an absolute basis is a better aggregate team metric. For individual players, it can be more helpful to track the trend over time. That’s precisely where my concern is for Bread, how he is trending lower.

So you add up all those pieces: below 50% xgf, negative Rel xgf% vs rest of his team along w/ trending lower at an individual level, and it is certainly cause for concern that matches up with what the eye test tells us.
 
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duhmetreE said:
Drury absolutely nailed the TDL last season.

Everything else has been average to dog shit.
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He didn’t even really nail the TDL because he couldn’t keep a first out of the deal for Copp. If it had been two seconds, that would have been nailing it. Having Brad Lambert around might be nice right now.
 
pld459666 said:
Was thinking the same thing.

Trade Panarin, Mika, Trouba and CK

All of them

I'd trade Panarin with 50% retention. Open up the bidding war and cash in LARGE
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I think another full rebuild is a pipe dream. I’m also not convinced it’s necessary. We have 3 elite “draft picks” (if you include Fox) in our lineup, along with other promising youth. I don’t think we need to blow anything up.

What I think we need is more depth, with lots of speed, to support our youth and provide them with an attribute they don’t possess. This additional depth will also help reduce our reliance on these core vets which we cannot consistently rely on.

The question then becomes, what’s the quickest path to achieving this goal? For me, it’s trading Panarin. Maybe Kreider happens eventually as well, but we need cap and a spot to offensively shelter a prospect. Given Panarin has the largest cap hit, shortest deal, gets 80% OZ starts, prime PP time, lacks speed and doesn’t seem to consistently click with anyone, I think he makes the most sense.
 
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RangerBoy said:
The Rangers need to rebuild again.
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I'm not at this point yet, but if the current stretch continues, it's something that needs to be considered. But with all the NTCs/NMCs, getting players to waive won't be easy and not many teams have cap space to add them. It would almost be a "I'll take your headaches if you'll take mine" type of deals.

It would also help if they could develop their younger players properly and use them in situations where they can succeed, something that has been issues for a number of years.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
The trick is for Zegras not to sign an extension and demand to come here , duh
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This. Open up cap space and have someone tamper with him behind the scenes.

pld459666 said:
Not trading Shesterkin until I know he wants 8+ per year
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Depends what the return is. If whoever wins the first overall is willing to give me Bedard, I’ll listen.
 
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haohmaru said:
Zibanejad 13 goals, 15 assists, 26 games
Eichel 13 goals, 16 assists, 26 games.

Yeah, I think I'm happy with the assets we didn't give up not to mention the cap disaster would've been even worse. And Eichel isn't exactly the poster boy for locker room leadership either.
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Lol, exactly. We'd prob be in the same position right now(or worse)...except blaming it on Eichel
 
user26 said:
Can You appy for GM PLEASE
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And I have 4 1st round picks. I turned Panarin and others into Seider, Edvinsson, Soderbom, Hronek. also dealt Trocheck for Farabee, dealt Miller for Guhle and 2 1sts, dealt Mika for Cirelli, Serachev and Colton and 3rd and 4th F8512F42-65DD-4817-A9F8-636D113151B0.jpeg

dealt for Dawson Mercer and Chase Stillman,
 
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