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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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RangersFan1994 said:
The obsession with Motte with fans of this team for a guy that played for a few months Is questioning. Did all you guys used to date? Move on. Other and better UFA players to worry about. Rather go after Bertuzzi or maybe a guy like Erne or Barbashev or Auston Watson, someone more useful.

Austin Watson to Rangers for 3rd in 2023?
Ivan Barbashev to Rangers for Jones and 2ed?
Adam Erne to Rangers for Skinner and 4th
Vladislav Gavrikov to Rangers for Libor Hajek and 3rd in 24

Rangers waive send down Blais, Brodzinski and trade Gauthier for 4th or 5th like Arizona or some non playoff team

Watson would provide the grit that Reaves brought. Better player. Watson can PK and take faceoffs


Kreider Mika Vesey
Panarin Trocheck Kravtsov
Lafy Chytil Kakko
Goodrow/Leschyschyn Barbashev/Watson Ernie
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Motte is better than all the players you mentioned for the role he'd fill.
 
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RangersFan1994 said:
Mikkola is gonna go for a 2ed. He is one of the most underrated players in my opinion. Gavrikov I dont think is gonna cost more than a 2ed. I can see him costing less than what expected. I can see a guy like Luke Schenn costing more. if he was a LD, Schenn would be a good option.
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If Chiarot as a rental returned a 1st+, Gavrikov is going to cost just as much in a bad D-man market
 
I understand many fans don't have as large of a grasp of the overall league versus their own team, so they naturally overrate their own players. But Tyler Motte is objectively a wonderful bottom 6 role player.

The problem with Barclay Goodrow is that you're paying a major premium for him based on the team success he experienced at his previous stop, where he was only a role player. Many bemoan that signing and would've much rather went out and got a similar player, but without the rings - and the accompanying premium in cap hit. Or simply developed their own Barclay Goodrow.

Tyler Motte is that type of player. The fact Drury didn't make some very minor moves in order to fit him in this year was a legitimate gaffe, especially considering he ended up making at least one of those moves (ie. shipping off Reaves) just a few months later. This organization doesn't make great decisions around the fringes (see also - our 6th D position) and then we're constantly caught scrambling try to plug that hole via AHL plugs or trading draft assets.
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
I understand many fans don't have as large of a grasp of the overall league versus their own team, so they naturally overrate their own players. But Tyler Motte is objectively a wonderful bottom 6 role player.

The problem with Barclay Goodrow is that you're paying a major premium for him based on the team success he experienced at his previous stop, where he was only a role player. Many bemoan that signing and would've much rather went out and got a similar player, but without the rings - and the accompanying premium in cap hit. Or simply developed their own Barclay Goodrow.

Tyler Motte is that type of player. The fact Drury didn't make some very minor moves in order to fit him in this year was a legitimate gaffe, especially considering he ended up making at least one of those moves (ie. shipping off Reaves) just a few months later. This organization doesn't make great decisions around the fringes (see also - our 6th D position) and then we're constantly caught scrambling try to plug that hole via AHL plugs or trading draft assets.
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Do we know that Motte would have signed here anyway? We seem to disregard that in every one of these discussions.
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
I understand many fans don't have as large of a grasp of the overall league versus their own team, so they naturally overrate their own players. But Tyler Motte is objectively a wonderful bottom 6 role player.

The problem with Barclay Goodrow is that you're paying a major premium for him based on the team success he experienced at his previous stop, where he was only a role player. Many bemoan that signing and would've much rather went out and got a similar player, but without the rings - and the accompanying premium in cap hit. Or simply developed their own Barclay Goodrow.

Tyler Motte is that type of player. The fact Drury didn't make some very minor moves in order to fit him in this year was a legitimate gaffe, especially considering he ended up making at least one of those moves (ie. shipping off Reaves) just a few months later. This organization doesn't make great decisions around the fringes (see also - our 6th D position) and then we're constantly caught scrambling try to plug that hole via AHL plugs or trading draft assets.
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Goodrow is a way better and more versatile player than Motte, regardless of how much he's sucked these last few games.
 
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Synergy27 said:
Do we know that Motte would have signed here anyway? We seem to disregard that in every one of these discussions.
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From all reports from Mollie Walker, he was expecting to resign with us and never got an offer.
Pawnee Rangers said:
Goodrow is a way better and more versatile player than Motte, regardless of how much he's sucked these last few games.
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He has slightly more offensive upside, yes. But for the additional cap hit, I'd take Motte and his contract (and the additional flexibility that would add) over Goodrow and his contract.

Either way, we could've easily had both - and Vesey - fit pretty easily on this roster and instead we decided to try to keep Reaves and sign Carpenter. It wasn't a good decision. Perhaps it's easily rectified at the deadline by trading another 4th rounder, but that's a 4th rounder that didn't need to be wasted.

All in all, just cruddy asset management at the fringes of the lineup other than the Vesey signing.
 
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RangersFan1994 said:
cause Barbashev is the much better player. And plays 3rd or 4th line in St Louis
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He most defintely does not play on the 4th line. He's in their top9 and plays with Schenn.

We'd want Motte to add speed, forecheck, PK and play defense.... he helps the 4th line and had a strong Playoffs for us. He'd cost a 4th rounder.

Jones and a 2nd for Barbashev is not a 4th line move. His defensive metrics are garbage as well.

If you're talking about adding a top9 winger, I'd rather have Labanc.
 
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Lets talk about why people all here believe we are going to HAVE to buy out goodrow? Its not like he has negative value around the league, plus at the end of this season he will have 1 less year on his contract.

Some team like the sabres, redwings, a middle pack team will take him and want him. We will most likely get something like a 4th for him which is fine. We dont need anymore buyout money on the books. This frees up the money we want to sign our youngsters.

If we were able to trade Ryan Reaves for a 5th in 25'. Nobody can tell me we couldnt move Goodrow.
 
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Chalfdiggity3 said:
Lets talk about why people all here believe we are going to HAVE to buy out goodrow? Its not like he has negative value around the league, plus at the end of this season he will have 1 less year on his contract.

Some team like the sabres, redwings, a middle pack team will take him and want him. We will most likely get something like a 4th for him which is fine. We dont need anymore buyout money on the books. This frees up the money we want to sign our youngsters.

If we were able to trade Ryan Reaves for a 5th in 25'. Nobody can tell me we couldnt move Goodrow
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Agreed, teams would definitely take him
 
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Chalfdiggity3 said:
Lets talk about why people all here believe we are going to HAVE to buy out goodrow? Its not like he has negative value around the league, plus at the end of this season he will have 1 less year on his contract.

Some team like the sabres, redwings, a middle pack team will take him and want him. We will most likely get something like a 4th for him which is fine. We dont need anymore buyout money on the books. This frees up the money we want to sign our youngsters.

If we were able to trade Ryan Reaves for a 5th in 25'. Nobody can tell me we couldnt move Goodrow.
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He does have a 15 team NTC, which I imagine will include all the bottom feeders. You can threaten the buyout if he doesn’t accept. That may work, but he could also just take the cash, then sign a smaller deal elsewhere and have a pocket full of buyout cash.

Personally, if Bread stinks it up again in the POs, I say we try to force his hand. How exactly? I’m not sure. Trouba is also an option. He can pick his team of choice next year vs going to half the league when his NMC expires.
 
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Patrick Kane will not be traded​

It's clear that Kane isn't himself this season. He's tracking for his lowest points-per-60 minutes average since 2011-12. He missed a couple of games because of injury. Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet speculated recently that Kane could be shut down, sign a one-year extension with the Blackhawks and then see where things are with himself and the team next season. Kane pushed back on that in an interview with NBC Sports Chicago this week, saying, "That's definitely not where we're at right now."

I don't know if it's the injury, the flat cap complicating a trade, his undeniable affinity for being a Blackhawk, or the roots he's put down in Chicago, but I just have an inkling that the Patrick Kane trade we're all anticipating doesn't end up happening. Now, Jonathan Toews, on the other hand ... -- Greg Wyshynski, NHL reporter
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There will be few fireworks at the trade deadline​

The names seemingly available for trade are flashy: Norris Trophy front-runner Erik Karlsson, plus Stanley Cup champs Jonathan Toews, Vladimir Tarasenko and Ryan O'Reilly, just to name a few.

But too many teams are strapped against the flat cap to make maneuvers. Plus, parity is so intense, few teams feel confident this truly is their year. Many clubs looking to add have depleted draft capital and prospect systems; those who have first-round picks want to hold on to them for a deep and talented 2023 draft class. Vancouver captain Bo Horvat is likely on the move. The fate of everyone else is a lot less clear. -- Emily Kaplan, NHL reporter
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Bold predictions for the second half of the NHL season: No Kane trade? 160 points for McDavid?

From players who will (or won't) have a new home this spring to which teams will go on a run and more, here are our big swings for the final three months.
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Buyers market.

Which player is a difference maker at this age of their careers?
 
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Labanc (50%) and Bonino for Krav and whatever
TyJo (50%) for whatever
Kulikov for whatever
 
huerter said:
Labanc (50%) and Bonino for Krav and whatever
TyJo (50%) for whatever
Kulikov for whatever
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Like Lebanc but then again I looked at his cap hit. Would San Jose retain for this year and next? Not so sure.
 
I really don’t want Drury to move any 2023 picks.

I’d consider moving a 2024 1st maybe, in the right move. But adding two higher end prospects plus keeping the 2nd and 3rd this year I think is essential to maintaining cap flexibility.

I didn’t have a problem moving last years on a conditional basis because (1) the draft wasn’t the best and (2) if it was a 1st, it was guaranteed to be a bottom 4 pick in the round. Less inclined to give up even a 29-32 pick this year.

Look at Dallas. Micheletti pointed out in one draft, the Stars added Heiskanen and Oettinger as 1st rounders and Robertson in the 2nd round. Not saying that will happen but with two firsts they have a real chance to add another quality defenseman and a center plus BPA in round 2. That’s really impactful, I think. Moreso than whatever they would get for the 1st this year.
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
It's pretty much impossible to land Pettersson unless you are get getting rid of one of Pararin/Trouba/Kreider.

And than you still have to pay him massive money when his contract expires in 3 years.
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Do it .

irishlaxburger2 said:
How do we fit those contracts, while also needing to re-sign Laf, Kakko, Chytil, etc?

Those numbers sound fine, in theory. In reality, the Rangers *have* to bridge him just to put a roster together.

It's a bad position to be in because it means we're going to get crushed by his long-term contract after that, but this is the short-term win now mentality this organization seems to try to skate by with every year.
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We find a way to get rid of Goodrow and Trouba
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
Do it .


We find a way to get rid of Goodrow and Trouba
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I think its Goodrow first. He will be moveable to a team looking to make the next step of getting into the playoffs next season. He is still valuable around the league. He will be dealt in the offseason. It wont be a blockbuster deal, prob be for a 4th rounder but who cares. Its all for the capspace to resign our youngsters.
 
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