Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[gravey9]

Who are the Bleeding Blueshirts? Is this someone from HF?

MSG. Vally makes some very good points in here. Specifically pointing out our diminished backchecking effort against the Devils and other recent opponents leading to us giving up far more high danger chances.

Also, talked about us deciding whether or not we're going to handle being contenders or falling back to the middle of the pack.

Good stuff.

I don't think we're close to a finished product out there. I think we're like 65% on our way to being serious cup challengers. To me, it all comes down to our lineup's ability to play elite hockey in two vastly different scenarios.

1 -- when we possess the puck. Can we possess the puck in such a way where we clearly wear down other teams? Not only are they chasing us, but our possession is leading to teams getting tired and giving up grade A opportunities. I think right now, our possession game is a bit too toothless. We're stuck to the outside. Can we get inside, can we bully our way into high danger chances no matter the opponent? I don't quite see that from this team consistently. When we play teams like the Lightning or the Caps we can very easily be bullied out of the high danger areas. Possession without getting the puck into those tough areas is not nearly as exhausting to defend. So, this is an area we must get better at to be a contender.

2 - When we don't possess the puck. Last season, we had more personnel who took the body. Hunt played up in the lineup, Reaves was here, and when Motte and Copp were added we had a more physical forward corps. As a result, we could potentially wear other teams down a bit with our physicality at times. It wasn't perfect. And last season is not the barometer. It was just a bit better. This season, we have really taken a step back physically. We are a considerably softer club and when we don't have the puck it looks like we're making little effort. While that's not actually accurate, it certainly feels that way. Our lack of physicality or speed on the forecheck at times means we don't have the ability to punish a team very much during a game or a playoff series. Going to make it very hard to get past the Lightning and the Bruins this year. And I could see Carolina and Pitt giving us fits.

Bottom line is, if you aren't able to wear down teams when you have possession or when you don't -- it may not show up much in a typical regular season game. After all, it's just one game. But it will show up on the playoffs when you have to beat a team 4 times in a row. It would be nice if we could wear teams down a bit in the regular season here, but I just think we have the personnel nor the right coach, the kind who can get blood from a stone.

 

[haveandare]

As Vally stated, their 5 on 5 offense is fine. This isnt like last years team.

They need defense and a supplemental forward or two who can play on both sides of the rink and manage the puck correctly to help cut down on high danger chances against.

Low giveaways. High on shots. Good on the forecheck/backcheck, plays with pace. Hard on the body would be a bonus. Ideally a RH shot. Trocheck and Panarin are giveaway machines this year.

Someone that is better offensively than Goodrow but can be trusted by Gallant since he will likely be playing up in the lineup, in that 2nd line RW spot (Kravstov).

That isn't Kane. Let's be smart about this

So, clone Kakko?

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

MSG. Vally makes some very good points in here. Specifically pointing out our diminished backchecking effort against the Devils and other recent opponents leading to us giving up far more high danger chances.

Also, talked about us deciding whether or not we're going to handle being contenders or falling back to the middle of the pack.

Good stuff.

I don't think we're close to a finished product out there. I think we're like 65% on our way to being serious cup challengers. To me, it all comes down to our lineup's ability to play elite hockey in two vastly different scenarios.

1 -- when we possess the puck. Can we possess the puck in such a way where we clearly wear down other teams? Not only are they chasing us, but our possession is leading to teams getting tired and giving up grade A opportunities. I think right now, our possession game is a bit too toothless. We're stuck to the outside. Can we get inside, can we bully our way into high danger chances no matter the opponent? I don't quite see that from this team consistently. When we play teams like the Lightning or the Caps we can very easily be bullied out of the high danger areas. Possession without getting the puck into those tough areas is not nearly as exhausting to defend. So, this is an area we must get better at to be a contender.

2 - When we don't possess the puck. Last season, we had more personnel who took the body. Hunt played up in the lineup, Reaves was here, and when Motte and Copp were added we had a more physical forward corps. As a result, we could potentially wear other teams down a bit with our physicality at times. It wasn't perfect. And last season is not the barometer. It was just a bit better. This season, we have really taken a step back physically. We are a considerably softer club and when we don't have the puck it looks like we're making little effort. While that's not actually accurate, it certainly feels that way. Our lack of physicality or speed on the forecheck at times means we don't have the ability to punish a team very much during a game or a playoff series. Going to make it very hard to get past the Lightning and the Bruins this year. And I could see Carolina and Pitt giving us fits.

Bottom line is, if you aren't able to wear down teams when you have possession or when you don't -- it may not show up much in a typical regular season game. After all, it's just one game. But it will show up on the playoffs when you have to beat a team 4 times in a row. It would be nice if we could wear teams down a bit in the regular season here, but I just think we have the personnel nor the right coach, the kind who can get blood from a stone.

you nailed it.

hagel was borderline savage in the playoffs. if we didn't get copp last season there was no way we would gotten that far through the post season. acquiring 2 guys like those 2 would help immensely. otherwise we're basically just as good as last season's versions of pitt or carolina all over again.

 

[LORDE]

MSG. Vally makes some very good points in here. Specifically pointing out our diminished backchecking effort against the Devils and other recent opponents leading to us giving up far more high danger chances.

Also, talked about us deciding whether or not we're going to handle being contenders or falling back to the middle of the pack.

Good stuff.

I don't think we're close to a finished product out there. I think we're like 65% on our way to being serious cup challengers. To me, it all comes down to our lineup's ability to play elite hockey in two vastly different scenarios.

1 -- when we possess the puck. Can we possess the puck in such a way where we clearly wear down other teams? Not only are they chasing us, but our possession is leading to teams getting tired and giving up grade A opportunities. I think right now, our possession game is a bit too toothless. We're stuck to the outside. Can we get inside, can we bully our way into high danger chances no matter the opponent? I don't quite see that from this team consistently. When we play teams like the Lightning or the Caps we can very easily be bullied out of the high danger areas. Possession without getting the puck into those tough areas is not nearly as exhausting to defend. So, this is an area we must get better at to be a contender.

2 - When we don't possess the puck. Last season, we had more personnel who took the body. Hunt played up in the lineup, Reaves was here, and when Motte and Copp were added we had a more physical forward corps. As a result, we could potentially wear other teams down a bit with our physicality at times. It wasn't perfect. And last season is not the barometer. It was just a bit better. This season, we have really taken a step back physically. We are a considerably softer club and when we don't have the puck it looks like we're making little effort. While that's not actually accurate, it certainly feels that way. Our lack of physicality or speed on the forecheck at times means we don't have the ability to punish a team very much during a game or a playoff series. Going to make it very hard to get past the Lightning and the Bruins this year. And I could see Carolina and Pitt giving us fits.

Bottom line is, if you aren't able to wear down teams when you have possession or when you don't -- it may not show up much in a typical regular season game. After all, it's just one game. But it will show up on the playoffs when you have to beat a team 4 times in a row. It would be nice if we could wear teams down a bit in the regular season here, but I just think we have the personnel nor the right coach, the kind who can get blood from a stone.

GREAT POST

This is why I REALLY wanted to keep Copp at almost any cost

No one needs to come at me w the cap and what he wanted... but he was a key addition, we gave up a lot for him and WE NEED him (plus I think he liked it here)

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Who are the Bleeding Blueshirts? Is this someone from HF?

It’s from the team that does the pre and post game shows for that Studio that has the contract to cover Rangers regular season games.
MSG Network

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

GREAT POST

This is why I REALLY wanted to keep Copp at almost any cost

No one needs to come at me w the cap and what he wanted... but he was a key addition, we gave up a lot for him and WE NEED him (plus I think he liked it here)

I felt Copp was going to Detroit/home no matter what the Rangers offered him.

But regardless. Yeah. He was a great fit

 

[Raspewtin]

Copp was a great fit because when his leg wasn’t busted he was a monster in transition and knew how to pass to Panarin. Panarin got a huge steroid boost not needing to be the main puck carrier on that line

i still like and supported the trochek signing but his puck control and passing are dreadful. it makes some shifts with him and panarin painful to watch

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Copp was a great fit because when his leg wasn’t busted he was a monster in transition and knew how to pass to Panarin. Panarin got a huge steroid boost not needing to be the main puck carrier on that line

i still like and supported the trochek signing but his puck control and passing are dreadful. it makes some shifts with him and panarin painful to watch

It's more sad that our "superstar" winger can't carry the puck himself and create chances at ES. Only once in a blue moon do we see him doing something creative with the puck at ES. More often it's just forced passes that don't work.

 

[leetch99]

Yep.
Production wise Panarin probably will get to 95 points (probably worth the money or in ball park) but if you watch how he has been playing it's not great for 11.5 million.
Agreed Trouba has to consistently be better and even then he's not worth 8 million. Maybe 5/5.5.

LOL...How much do you think the Rangers made on the second round home games on account of Trouba putting Crosby to bed in that first series ??? Would all those home games equal that 2 million or so extra he got paid ??? I know that is not how it works.....but the accountants likely were happy in the end !

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

This season is over boys. I love you all but this team is not making the playoffs and hopefully not.

We need to fire Gallant. We need to hire a coach who can actually coach in the nhl.

Keep our 1st rounders and lets keep adding high end talent.

Lets start to think of ways to move Goody, Trouba, Panarin contracts.

 

[bl02]

LOL...How much do you think the Rangers made on the second round home games on account of Trouba putting Crosby to bed in that first series ??? Would all those home games equal that 2 million or so extra he got paid ??? I know that is not how it works.....but the accountants likely were happy in the end !

Just speaking in this salary cap world. This team can not afford a 8 million dollar Trouba with the way he's been playing

 

[Fitzy]

who dropped a bomb in here my goodness

 

[B17 Apricots]

Gauthier got blasted, I guess we'll see if it's a serious injury or not. Finally time to get Rydahl some games here. It's been way too long without seeing what we have in him. Big, plays with some bite.. he may fit a 4th line role very well

 

[RangersFan1994]

Gauthier got blasted, I guess we'll see if it's a serious injury or not. Finally time to get Rydahl some games here. It's been way too long without seeing what we have in him. Big, plays with some bite.. he may fit a 4th line role very well

They will just use Blais and call up Crapenter

 

[RangerBoy]

It is difficult to imagine the 23-year-old, 21st-overall selection of the 2017 entry draft signing on long term if stuck in a third-line role in which he gets scant power-play time.

It is impossible to endorse an approach under which the Rangers may never find out what Chytil can do before it becomes too late. The Blueshirts are 12-2-2 over their last 16 games, so Gallant is likely loath to switch things up, but this is the exactly the time to elevate Chytil into a second-line spot with Panarin on his left. If there are worries about the defensive side of the puck, Goodrow or Vesey can play the right side while Trocheck and Vitali Kravtsov shift down to skate with Lafreniere.

Rangers’ aren’t doing themselves any favors by limiting Filip Chytil

Rangers youngster Filip Chytil has played well lately and deserves more playing time, The Post’s Larry Brooks writes.

nypost.com

Last week, Brooks wanted the Rangers to acquire O'Reilly which would force Chytil to the wing.

This week, Brooks wants Gallant to flip Chytil and Trocheck to play Chytil with Panarin.

Brooks found his new offer sheet candidate on the Rangers.

 

[Vitto79]

I think an ideal deadline would be to add Kulikov, Ritchie, and Nyqvist at 50%.

Well that should cost little

Kinda need a waiver pickup W 2 F likely down

Rydahl the call up or are they really bringing Carpenter back ?

Panarin has been a massive disappointment this season. If you are the second highest paid player in the league way more is expected.

He’s like top 20 in pts
You can complain about what you see but it’s not like he doesn’t always get the stats
Won the game last night lol

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Domi is no push over when he decides to drop the gloves. He may not be his dad, but he isn't Marc Staal either.

He's tough for a guy his size, and he'll probably catch the odd guy bigger than him off guard but he's too small to be any kind of threat. Having said that if we're making a trade with Chicago I'd rather him than Kane at this point due to age, style of play, and cost to get him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I thought Friedman was saying Kane's not only hurt, but might be done for the year?

This organization can eat a bag of cow dung if they get Kane and give up multiple assets for him. It would be the Satherest things of all Sathery things we could do.

 

[mas0764]

Rangers’ aren’t doing themselves any favors by limiting Filip Chytil

Rangers youngster Filip Chytil has played well lately and deserves more playing time, The Post’s Larry Brooks writes.

nypost.com

Last week, Brooks wanted the Rangers to acquire O'Reilly which would force Chytil to the wing.

This week, Brooks wants Gallant to flip Chytil and Trocheck to play Chytil with Panarin.

Brooks found his new offer sheet candidate on the Rangers.

It's almost like the Rangers have no coherent plan at forward.

Chytil breaks out in the playoffs; immediately sign a limited offensive upside center for 7 years in a contract you can't move, risking your rising star.

That's why I have no time for Drury. Trocheck isn't a bad player but the team's vision of where it is headed is just delusional.

 

[McRanger92]

It's almost like the Rangers have no coherent plan at forward.

Chytil breaks out in the playoffs; immediately sign a limited offensive upside center for 7 years in a contract you can't move, risking your rising star.

That's why I have no time for Drury. Trocheck isn't a bad player but the team's vision of where it is headed is just delusional.

Chytil’s playing time is a Gallant issue more than Drury. This team needs Chytil & Trocheck to be successful. Chytil cannot PK, win faceoffs or defend the middle of the ice like Trocheck, and 5.6 is not restricting for a middle 6 do it all C. Filip should be playing more though, but again, that’s more on Uncle Fester

 

[BBKers]

Small roster moves as minor upgrades between now & Deadline
Nathan Beaulieu ($850.000) for Libor Hájek ($800.000) and something small
Nick Bjugstad ($900.000) for a 2024 4th rounder and Lauri Pajuniemi (N.R.)
Adam Erne ($2.100.000) for Samuel Blais ($1.525.000) and Carl Henriksson. Detroit retains $575.000. Throw in Lindbom if it is a dealbreaker
Jonny Brodzinski demoted to Hartford

Then sit tight and see what can be done last second at the TDL - if it truly is a buyers market. If nothing really good (i.e. filling a necessary weakness to a reasonable price) shows up, run with what we have... maybe give Othmann a look in the POs as well

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[Shesterkybomb]

Chytil’s playing time is a Gallant issue more than Drury. This team needs Chytil & Trocheck to be successful. Chytil cannot PK, win faceoffs or defend the middle of the ice like Trocheck, and 5.6 is not restricting for a middle 6 do it all C. Filip should be playing more though, but again, that’s more on Uncle Fester

Is it though? I mean the organization committed a bunch of money and term to Trochek, do they want him showing up at the end of the year with 30 points? The coach has the "final" decision with regards to ice time but there's a ton of pressure from the top down to do things their way. I kinda liked trochek on with kreider and Vesey, i thought that gave us a functional grinding line that could score.

 

[surlysailor]

It's almost like the Rangers have no coherent plan at forward.

Chytil breaks out in the playoffs; immediately sign a limited offensive upside center for 7 years in a contract you can't move, risking your rising star.

That's why I have no time for Drury. Trocheck isn't a bad player but the team's vision of where it is headed is just delusional.

Drury does have a vision and it's grit. All he wants is players "who play the right way, guys who you win in the playoffs with". That's why he's gone wild for the Goodrow's, Trochecks, etc... He's made some good moves but it's pretty obv while Troch is a real good player he's not gelling with Panarin. I like Troch a lot but either move him down on the 3rd line if you refuse to tinker with the pp or give one of Chytil, KK a shot on PP one. I hope CK is not out for too long but it will be interesting to finally see Laff get a shot in the top 6 at his natural position. That is of course unless GG puts Goodrow/Blais ahead of Laff.

 

[surlysailor]

I could see NYR adding Lafferty from Chi. He was a pain to play against the last time we played them. He's signed for another year at 1.5 which might be a deal breaker for NYR but maybe something like Blais/Gaut & a pick for Lafferty & Domi? Then NYR go
KZK
Panarin-Chytil-Krav
Laf-Troch-Domi
Lafferty-Good-Vesey

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I missed the Kreider injury, what did he injure?