Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[Vitto79]

I'm all for adding grit and experience in the bottom six, but some of these suggestions scream Beagle/Ferland/Roussel type overpays - especially if we're going 3 at a time.

with covid I don’t see long term deals given out
Coleman may not the others

 

[Vitto79]

That is where I had it at when I was fitting in Foligno, Coleman, Goodrow, and Oleksiak

i think most of those guys are paid well

Foligno to MN w his bro
Goodrow likely costs less than Coleman IMO
Olesiak is ideal if he hits ufa

 

[leetch99]

Brooks wrote that a few days before Davidson and Gorton were fired. Quinn wanted the Rangers top forwards to shoot the puck more and not look for the perfect play. There was an issue between the players and Quinn. It seemed like JD and Gorton were planning to keep Quinn for the 4th year.

Colonel Sanders probably gave that to Larry.


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Rangers must resolve disconnect between David Quinn, top forwards

A few days after that story came out, JD and Gorton were fired. Quinn was fired one week later.

The Rangers should be a better team offensively with their group of forwards.

It sure is great to see you back posting again RangerBoy . Thanks from this fan and reader .

 

[RGY]

i think most of those guys are paid well

Foligno to MN w his bro
Goodrow likely costs less than Coleman IMO
Olesiak is ideal if he hits ufa

I had them at the following:

Foligno @ $4.5 AAV — if its more then you walk away.

Coleman @ $3.0 AAV
Goodrow @ $2.75 AAV
Oleksiak @ $2.75 AAV

 

[Vitto79]

I had them at the following:

Foligno @ $4.5 AAV — if its more then you walk away.

Coleman @ $3.0 AAV
Goodrow @ $2.75 AAV
Oleksiak @ $2.75 AAV

sorry I missed your original thoughts but who goes to fit this in ?

I do think they add some UFAs but it means some kids in the AHL

 

[RGY]

sorry I missed your original thoughts but who goes to fit this in ?

I do think they add some UFAs but it means some kids in the AHL

I have them trading Buch, Strome, Chytil, Gauthier, and other assets, to acquire Lindholm and Larkin.

I had them removing Rooney from the team, keeping Blackwell. Howden gone in expansion.

This would free up the roster spots to fit them all. The cap space was around $4 million for next year not accounting for performance bonuses

 

[Leetch3]

I had them at the following:

Foligno @ $4.5 AAV — if its more then you walk away.

Coleman @ $3.0 AAV
Goodrow @ $2.75 AAV
Oleksiak @ $2.75 AAV

those are fair values, but in our current situation I think term is more important than AAV. I'd rather pay a bit more $$ to keep deals 2 years or less for the majority of UFAs available.

 

[leetch99]

Got news for yall, Kreider isn’t going anywhere

Haha...he might though find himself on the 4th line if Barron comes in and starts getting more comfortable with life in the NHL and pushes him down a line in another season or sooner . Barron looked pretty good in his limited minutes in his debut . He could be a big part of our future and Kreider not so much.

 

[Fitzy]

Kreider on the third line with #1 PP net front presence is quite literally the perfect role for him.

12-13 ES minutes a game let him maximize his energy each shift.

With Panarin and Lafreniere it is the logical conclusion. He's a solid veteran presence who has been through the battle trenches in deep playoff runs and will be invaluable when we are back in the postseason.

Is he overpaid- yes, but so is Trouba, and they presently both offer things to this lineup that can't be replaced. If Kreider got assists for every effective goalie screen he provided his point production would have no one complaining. Those screens are more impactful than 40-50% of secondary assists.

3 years from now we come back to the conversation about Kreider and Trouba. But for this next 3 year set of 'early playoff competition' they are big parts of this team.

The big decisions now are at the center ice position (Chytil, Zibby, Strome) and about what we do with the two-pronged situation at defense which is

1) NYR have a ton of great defensive prospects that will be coming of age soon
2) The current NYR defense is too inexperienced to make the playoffs

Those are the kind of things we need to be thinking about.

 

[RGY]

those are fair values, but in our current situation I think term is more important than AAV. I'd rather pay a bit more $$ to keep deals 2 years or less for the majority of UFAs available.

I had them all at 3 years except for Foligno who I had at 4 years to incentivize to keep the AAV down. Unfortunately I dont think you get any of those guys at less than 3 years, at minimum.

 

[RGY]

Haha...he might though find himself on the 4th line if Barron comes in and starts getting more comfortable with life in the NHL and pushes him down a line in another season or sooner . Barron looked pretty good in his limited minutes in his debut . He could be a big part of our future and Kreider not so much.

I think people are too quickly to forget Kreider carried this team when Zibanejad was struggling, Strome was struggling, the PP was struggling, and Panarin has the leave of absence. He had 11 PP goals and 30 points in 50 games — and thats with him struggling the last 10-15 games, which something could have been ailing him eventually forcing him out for the rest of the season. He still has his legs, his great speed.

To assume Barron, who while he played smart and sound but really did not do anything outstanding, is automatically going to jump the veteran Chris Kreider is fool’s gold. The farthest Kreider falls is maybe to the 3rd line to balance out the lines while letting Lafreniere take over the top minutes.

 

[Bruner4329]

Got news for yall, Kreider isn’t going anywhere

Yes but of course you have these posters that insist on talking about trading this guy over and over again. If it isn't Kreider its ADA. There is so much to discuss on potential changes and moves and these people are stuck in neutral with these discussions. A waste of time.

 

[Avery16]

Brooks advocating for Rinne? If you're going that route, bring Hank back. I don't see it.

He said the same in the very same article.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Who is likely to get traded this year? Kreider?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who is likely to get traded this year? Kreider?

Unfortunatley no. No one is taking that contract.

Most likely on the roster? Strome and/or Buch.

Of the prospects, I'd say Nils/Robertson/Kravtsov.

 

[Leetch3]

Unfortunatley no. No one is taking that contract.

Most likely on the roster? Strome and/or Buch.

Of the prospects, I'd say Nils/Robertson/Kravtsov.

I think its far more likely that the rangers have no interest in trading kreider, than they can't find someone to take his contract.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Kreider on the third line with #1 PP net front presence is quite literally the perfect role for him.

12-13 ES minutes a game let him maximize his energy each shift.

With Panarin and Lafreniere it is the logical conclusion. He's a solid veteran presence who has been through the battle trenches in deep playoff runs and will be invaluable when we are back in the postseason.

Is he overpaid- yes, but so is Trouba, and they presently both offer things to this lineup that can't be replaced. If Kreider got assists for every effective goalie screen he provided his point production would have no one complaining. Those screens are more impactful than 40-50% of secondary assists.

3 years from now we come back to the conversation about Kreider and Trouba. But for this next 3 year set of 'early playoff competition' they are big parts of this team.

The big decisions now are at the center ice position (Chytil, Zibby, Strome) and about what we do with the two-pronged situation at defense which is

1) NYR have a ton of great defensive prospects that will be coming of age soon
2) The current NYR defense is too inexperienced to make the playoffs

Those are the kind of things we need to be thinking about.

Great post.

 

[bleedblue94]

It's not about a team that plays E W or a team that plays N S, it's about a team that can adapt and has diversity to play however is needed to beat an opponent

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Had a dream last night that we traded for Tanev and Scevior

 

[RickChartraw]

Kreider on the third line with #1 PP net front presence is quite literally the perfect role for him.

12-13 ES minutes a game let him maximize his energy each shift.

With Panarin and Lafreniere it is the logical conclusion. He's a solid veteran presence who has been through the battle trenches in deep playoff runs and will be invaluable when we are back in the postseason.

Is he overpaid- yes, but so is Trouba, and they presently both offer things to this lineup that can't be replaced. If Kreider got assists for every effective goalie screen he provided his point production would have no one complaining. Those screens are more impactful than 40-50% of secondary assists.

3 years from now we come back to the conversation about Kreider and Trouba. But for this next 3 year set of 'early playoff competition' they are big parts of this team.

The big decisions now are at the center ice position (Chytil, Zibby, Strome) and about what we do with the two-pronged situation at defense which is

1) NYR have a ton of great defensive prospects that will be coming of age soon
2) The current NYR defense is too inexperienced to make the playoffs

Those are the kind of things we need to be thinking about.

I simply can't like this post enough.

 

[Synergy27]

I think the biggest thing is that the Rangers just can't become totally predictable in how they play...playing east/west is fine at times, but sometimes you gotta play more north south and throw stuff at the net. Both the coaches and players need to be flexible in their approach and take what the opponent gives them instead ofplaying into their opponents hands. At least, ideally.

Constantly forcing cross ice passes and hoping they get through is bad. Creating the lanes and making those passes is good.
Constantly thowing low percentage shots at the net is bad. Shooting and taking the puck to the net when the opponent is clogging the center of the ice is good.

Etc



Honestly Kakko isn't the fastest guy but he is extremely good at getting in quick on players and taking the puck away. I'm not worried about him at all in a n up tempo forecheck system, that is his bread and butter

They need a coach that can conceive of in game adjustments and also convince the players to make them. That was clearly not Quinn.

 

[ETTER DE]

Players are tough or not before they get to the NHL. How many become tough because of a coach?

Right know I think there is about 74.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Kreider playing on the third line against other teams worst defensemen and PP time + mentoring kids is the perfect role for him. I hope that is the route they go which means Buchnevich and/or Kakko will stick around

 

[Kravtsov420]

Tanev on Pitt is such a menace on the forecheck. What about Martinook too?

 

[Machinehead]

Curious as to what this means:

"Maybe instead of Strome, who is just a worse Zibanejad"

Bad defense, inconsistent effort, and no physicality without the 60 goals and 100 points