Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[rangers1314]

Gallant looks too much like Don Rickles for me to take him seriously, I’ll have to work on that

I saw Rickles live once. Tony Danza opened for him. What a ridiculous show. Talk about “problematic” language. He was in his 80s and still funny.

 

[LORDE]

I understand that Eichel wants disc replacement surgery. The Sabres want conservative physical therapy—no NHL player has had disc replacement before. Jack is concerned that PT won’t work and his injury will worsen to the point that a fusion is the only option.

Buyer beware

 

[Synergy27]

I understand that Eichel wants disc replacement surgery. The Sabres want conservative physical therapy—no NHL player has had disc replacement before. Jack is concerned that PT won’t work and his injury will worsen to the point that a fusion is the only option.

If the Rangers make a move for a guy with an unprecedented injury that will cost an ass load of assets AND money, they better do the duest of due diligence.

This player is not even close to being on my shopping list and I fear that his acquisition completely derails this nice rebuild we have going.

Stay away.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Gallant looks too much like Don Rickles for me to take him seriously, I’ll have to work on that

Homer Simpson

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-star-players-disconnect-need-addressed/

I apologize if this was posted already but it’s an interesting article. Sounds like the Rangers top players tuned out Quinn’s north-south philosophy. What does that say about the current makeup of this team? The fancy shit ain’t gonna work in the playoffs. Gonna be an interesting summer.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers don’t have a 2nd and Heineman is a better prospect than Henriksson. It’s not that easy. The 2nd in 2022 would not be valued as high as a 2nd this year.

The 2nd round pick in the Bennett deal was Florida's 2nd in 2022. I read the analysis on Heineman after the trade was completed. He tops out at a middle 6 NHL complementary forward. The Rangers have so many prospects on D. The Rangers don't have that type of player in their plethora of young players they have accumulated over the last 3 years? They do.

The issue with the Rangers and Bennett would have been how Quinn used him. Bennett is playing in the middle. He is on the PP and PK. Quinn would not have played Bennett in the top 6 at center. Bennett can play and he is not afraid to cheap shot someone which is needed on this team. The owner lost his mind after he saw the Rangers get beat up by the Islanders and Capitals.

 

[Savant]

The 2nd round pick in the Bennett deal was Florida's 2nd in 2022. I read the analysis on Heineman after the trade was completed. He tops out at a middle 6 NHL complementary forward. The Rangers have so many prospects on D. The Rangers don't have that type of player in their plethora of young players they have accumulated over the last 3 years? They do.

The issue with the Rangers and Bennett would have been how Quinn used him. Bennett is playing in the middle. He is on the PP and PK. Quinn would not have played Bennett in the top 6 at center. Bennett can play and he is not afraid to cheap shot someone which is needed on this team. The owner lost his mind after he saw the Rangers get beat up by the Islanders and Capitals.

I mean how do you know Calgary did the deal with Florida because they specifically wanted Heineman back though? He was also drafted this year so they might this there is extra upside there.

I’m not going to cry about spilled milk with the Bennett trade

 

[RangerBoy]

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-star-players-disconnect-need-addressed/

I apologize if this was posted already but it’s an interesting article. Sounds like the Rangers top players tuned out Quinn’s north-south philosophy. What does that say about the current makeup of this team? The fancy shit ain’t gonna work in the playoffs. Gonna be an interesting summer.

Brooks wrote that a few days before Davidson and Gorton were fired. Quinn wanted the Rangers top forwards to shoot the puck more and not look for the perfect play. There was an issue between the players and Quinn. It seemed like JD and Gorton were planning to keep Quinn for the 4th year.

Colonel Sanders probably gave that to Larry.

There is an issue at the top of the Rangers lineup that must be resolved before the hierarchy can move into what necessarily must be a Summer of Reconstruction to transform this collection of homogenous ingredients into a more diverse blend that can take the next step in its evolution.

And that is resolving what surely seems a disconnect between the team’s marquee forwards and head coach David Quinn

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Rangers must resolve disconnect between David Quinn, top forwards

A few days after that story came out, JD and Gorton were fired. Quinn was fired one week later.

The Rangers should be a better team offensively with their group of forwards.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Brooks wrote that a few days before Davidson and Gorton were fired. Quinn wanted the Rangers top forwards to shoot the puck more and not look for the perfect play. There was an issue between the players and Quinn. It seemed like JD and Gorton were planning to keep Quinn for the 4th year.

Colonel Sanders probably gave that to Larry.


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Rangers must resolve disconnect between David Quinn, top forwards

A few days after that story came out, JD and Gorton were fired. Quinn was fired one week later.

The Rangers should be a better team offensively with their group of forwards.

Yeah my biggest concern is what’s going to happen next season with a new coach and the players still don’t listen and continue to try the fancy plays. That stuff might work in the regular season but it never works in the playoffs.

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah my biggest concern is what’s going to happen next season with a new coach and the players still don’t listen and continue to try the fancy plays. That stuff might work in the regular season but it never works in the playoffs.

It works less often in the playoffs.

The Sedin twins still put on plenty of shows on the west coast in the postseason.

I don't think guys like Panarin and Zibanejad necessarily need to change their games wholesale, it's that the bottom half of the lineup needs to play more direct. You want your 3rd and 4th lines to go out there and grind down the opponents, knock in the odd goal, and soften things up for the skill players, especially by drawing penalties.

The Rangers have also had next to no vertical threat on the ice since AV's departure.

 

[Ola]

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-star-players-disconnect-need-addressed/

I apologize if this was posted already but it’s an interesting article. Sounds like the Rangers top players tuned out Quinn’s north-south philosophy. What does that say about the current makeup of this team? The fancy shit ain’t gonna work in the playoffs. Gonna be an interesting summer.

I should have some credibility at least on this topic because the second we radically changed course I called it out and went from supporting DQ to calling for his head and Gorton’s head unless he did something — ASAP. Obviously the players felt the same and many other top minds in the hockey world.

What did it for me? Look, you don’t either play N-S or E-W in hockey. It might be descriptive on TV, but there is a very thin connection between those letters and the Xs and Os in the game plan of a NHL team. The way DQ had us play was an extreme turn around. I would even say that it possibly was more extreme than CBJ and NYI, albeit I wouldn’t argue that strongly on that point if someone is of a different view. But in any event it obviously showed that he was in way over his head.

There is so many parts of your game you can work on, twist and turn solutions and options, to avoid the obvious flaws we had and have in our game. But from my POV, it’s just impossible to see that the best option for this team is to be an extreme N-S team — in relation to — Boston, Tampa, Nashville, Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Washington, Carolina and so many others.

But Quinn obviously didn’t have the vision to understand just how much improvement this team could do in many areas and see how we could become a much harder team to play of built for PO success. The players tried it his way, it was horrible, DQ started throwing them under the bus as a result of it, and the rest is history. I don’t like the players decision either, not doing what the coach wants will never work, it’s really absurd the disconnect we had between what the coach wanted and how we played on the ice. Never seen anything like it watching hockey closely for 30 years and in many leagues across the world. We need roster changes, no doubt, but the root to this problem wasn’t the players.

 

[RangerBoy]

I mean how do you know Calgary did the deal with Florida because they specifically wanted Heineman back though? He was also drafted this year so they might this there is extra upside there.

I’m not going to cry about spilled milk with the Bennett trade

The Rangers do need players with more grit and size. They have the assets to acquire those players. Bennett has those qualities.

 

[JimmyG89]

If Gallant is the guy, he plays a very up tempo pressure system. We're going to need forwards that can keep up with that. Kakko and Lafreniere are going to need to work on their skating this summer to play in that system. Same would go for someone like Jones if he expects to make the team.

The Rangers have the assets to get whoever they want. Even in an overpay scenario, if they've identified a player of need, the asset accumulation that has happened over the last 4 years allows them to do that. I expect Drury to be cognizant of that, but to not gut the system.

We're going to lose a player that we did not expect. It depends on who it is. If I had to put a bet down, it would be Chytil. I wouldn't be happy about it, but he is the one player that I can see being moved.

 

[Ola]

It works less often in the playoffs.

The Sedin twins still put on plenty of shows on the west coast in the postseason.

I don't think guys like Panarin and Zibanejad necessarily need to change their games wholesale, it's that the bottom half of the lineup needs to play more direct. You want your 3rd and 4th lines to go out there and grind down the opponents, knock in the odd goal, and soften things up for the skill players, especially by drawing penalties.

The Rangers have also had next to no vertical threat on the ice since AV's departure.

Yeah, last year the final was played between Dallas and Tampa. Is there a logic behind a belief that this team must be — significantly — more N-S than those teams to be able to have success in the POs? Of course not.

Look at the Islanders, like what 6 of their top 9 forwards play a really E-W style.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Brooks wrote that a few days before Davidson and Gorton were fired. Quinn wanted the Rangers top forwards to shoot the puck more and not look for the perfect play. There was an issue between the players and Quinn. It seemed like JD and Gorton were planning to keep Quinn for the 4th year.

Colonel Sanders probably gave that to Larry.


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Rangers must resolve disconnect between David Quinn, top forwards

A few days after that story came out, JD and Gorton were fired. Quinn was fired one week later.

The Rangers should be a better team offensively with their group of forwards.

This has to stick.

 

[Ola]

The Rangers do need players with more grit and size. They have the assets to acquire those players. Bennett has those qualities.

Definitely!

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

It works less often in the playoffs.

The Sedin twins still put on plenty of shows on the west coast in the postseason.

I don't think guys like Panarin and Zibanejad necessarily need to change their games wholesale, it's that the bottom half of the lineup needs to play more direct. You want your 3rd and 4th lines to go out there and grind down the opponents, knock in the odd goal, and soften things up for the skill players, especially by drawing penalties.

The Rangers have also had next to no vertical threat on the ice since AV's departure.

I get what you’re saying and I agree to an extent. Take those games against the Islanders and Canes from the play in last year. That’s what this team’s top players look like when time and space are taken away. If this current group of players wants to win in the playoffs they have to learn how to adjust and adapt. I agree about the bottom 6. They need guys who grind down opposing defenders and soften them up. Howden? No way. Rooney? Meh. Blackwell? He’s too small and who knows if he’s even on the team next year. Gauthier has the tools to play that way with his size and speed but he’s still trying to figure out the league. Barron will definitely help.

 

[Machinehead]

Here's my problem with Bennett: he has 15 points in 10 games for Florida. Great. If that ends up being nothing but a random hot steak, he goes back to being a do-nothing 4th liner like Lemieux.

And that leads to what I think was Gorton's biggest blindspot as a GM. He heavily binned players into either skill or grit. And if you're grit, you can't play where the skill guys do. That's why he let Fast go with no fight.

Since 2015 people have complained the top 9 doesn't check enough, and Gorton's response to that every single time has been "here's some clown that'll play 8 minutes while the top 9 does the same thing." Glass, McLeod, Haley, Lemieux.

Bennett's last 10 games give a glimmer of hope that he's a player who can add versatility to your top 9. He spent his first 402 being another example of Gorton grit.

I'm not saying absolutely not, but I'd rather get a surer thing. Coleman is available for free.

 

[Levitate]

It works less often in the playoffs.

The Sedin twins still put on plenty of shows on the west coast in the postseason.

I don't think guys like Panarin and Zibanejad necessarily need to change their games wholesale, it's that the bottom half of the lineup needs to play more direct. You want your 3rd and 4th lines to go out there and grind down the opponents, knock in the odd goal, and soften things up for the skill players, especially by drawing penalties.

The Rangers have also had next to no vertical threat on the ice since AV's departure.

I think the biggest thing is that the Rangers just can't become totally predictable in how they play...playing east/west is fine at times, but sometimes you gotta play more north south and throw stuff at the net. Both the coaches and players need to be flexible in their approach and take what the opponent gives them instead ofplaying into their opponents hands. At least, ideally.

Constantly forcing cross ice passes and hoping they get through is bad. Creating the lanes and making those passes is good.
Constantly thowing low percentage shots at the net is bad. Shooting and taking the puck to the net when the opponent is clogging the center of the ice is good.

Etc

If Gallant is the guy, he plays a very up tempo pressure system. We're going to need forwards that can keep up with that. Kakko and Lafreniere are going to need to work on their skating this summer to play in that system. Same would go for someone like Jones if he expects to make the team.

The Rangers have the assets to get whoever they want. Even in an overpay scenario, if they've identified a player of need, the asset accumulation that has happened over the last 4 years allows them to do that. I expect Drury to be cognizant of that, but to not gut the system.

We're going to lose a player that we did not expect. It depends on who it is. If I had to put a bet down, it would be Chytil. I wouldn't be happy about it, but he is the one player that I can see being moved.

Honestly Kakko isn't the fastest guy but he is extremely good at getting in quick on players and taking the puck away. I'm not worried about him at all in a n up tempo forecheck system, that is his bread and butter

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Is RNH still a C or a winger now ?
He’s the best UFA C
Trade Strome for a LD
Yea Strome fits in well but a shakeup us coming

how much is Hertl worth ? 1st ,Jones , Georgiev ?

My offer was 1st, jones and a secondary asset, do they need Georgiev?

 

[Savant]

The Rangers do need players with more grit and size. They have the assets to acquire those players. Bennett has those qualities.

No kidding but it’s also easier said then done. They need to get good players too, they can’t just downgrade the roster just so they can squeeze in some hitters. They are going to need to balance that as well as the salary cap. It’s not easy

 

[Machinehead]

Also, everyone always looks for the Cup recipe and there isn't one. Cup winners only have one thing in common with each other -- they're really, really, really f***ing talented.

Hockey is all about balance. We have to improve the vertical aspect of our game, but let's not get into the dangerous rhetoric of "skill doesn't work in the playoffs." It does. Every year.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

No kidding but it’s also easier said then done. They need to get good players too, they can’t just downgrade the roster just so they can squeeze in some hitters. They are going to need to balance that as well as the salary cap. It’s not easy

There are plenty of options this year that can do that tho via free agency and possibly trades they should be able to find 1 or 2, but then there's also the issue of what kid/s are you willing to trade (and for what)? because not all of them will be able to play on this team.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

change is inevitable, Rangers need to get bigger and stronger but not lose much skill to do it, and they simply have too many of the same kind of player (wingers who kind of play the same way, a skilled game)

 

[Savant]

There are plenty of options this year that can do that tho via free agency and possibly trades they should be able to find 1 or 2, but then there's also the issue of what kid/s are you willing to trade (and for what)? because not all of them will be able to play on this team.

Sure, but you can’t take a bath on value here side of that either. Need to find the right deal. You can’t be trading like Zac Jones for Ryan Reaves just because.