Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[GoAwayPanarin]

Turcotte for Lundkvist swap is interesting

I’d do it if only because I think there is a fit for him here more so than there is for Nils.

 

[RGY]

I will get ripped for this but this give me PTSD to signing Mike Keane and Brian Skrudland to fill leadership and grit gaps. I know it isn't entirely the same but...

I get where you are coming from, specifically with regard to Foligno, but the rest would all be reasonable deals and for guys that can skate well Coleman/Goodrow.

 

[NYR Viper]

So the take-away from some Preds fans is that Haula was bad to start the season (most of that team was) but has really improved over the last 20-25 games as he has gotten the opportunity to handle the 3C role. He has speed to spare as well. He may be a good get for a couple of years

 

[Levitate]

- Says the losses to the Islanders drove Dolan to boot JD/JG

God this irritates me so much and is a huge sign of dysfunction.

Even if there were legitimate reasons to fire them, the timing and the stated reasons are just complete bullshit and cover for the fact that Dolan through a temper tantrum.
He got mad, acted impulsively, and then threw up a bunch of smoke to cover the fact that he acted like a toddler.

He shouldn't have hired JD in the first place if he demanded this team compete now...from the moment he got here JD preached patience and holding to the plan. It was all right there, nothing surprising about it.

If it's because the team wasn't tough enough then Dolan clearly wasn't paying attention to what Gorton and JD were saying and doing. They clearly acknowledged the issue and had been making moves to rectify the situation.

If this was "they were fired because some bad trades/contracts/draft picks/drama surrounding the team/blah blah" then it'd at least be palatable but instead they were fired because the ignorant owner threw a tantrum.

 

[RGY]

Haula and Wennberg. Two guys i pined for over and over again during the offseason.

We should have came away with one of them to have more quality depth than Rooney/DiGi/Howden/Blackwell.... even with Blackwell having his little hot streak.

I like the names thrown out there by @NYR Viper and @Uninstaaled. My 3c/4C list consists of:

Bonino
Haula
Stepan
Wennberg
Goodrow
Boyle
Martinook
Sutter

I especially like the ones in that group that can play Center AND Wing comfortably.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If we got Tkachuk, I think I'd still wait one more year before trading either Kakko or Kravtsov. It might be a little more clear in another year who they should keep and who they should trade in this situation. They cannot afford to be wrong about it.

I think Buchnevich is worth more than Ekholm by a pretty good margin. I like the thought of getting Ekholm for next season, and I think Nashville would certainly be on board with getting Buchy, but there would need to be a significant addition from their side IMO.

I dont know how you would get Tkachuk without including Kakko however.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Haula and Wennberg. Two guys i pined for over and over again during the offseason.

We should have came away with one of them to have more quality depth than Rooney/DiGi/Howden/Blackwell.... even with Blackwell having his little hot streak.

I like the names thrown out there by @NYR Viper and @Uninstaaled. My 3c/4C list consists of:

Bonino
Haula
Stepan
Wennberg
Goodrow
Boyle
Martinook
Sutter

I especially like the ones in that group that can play Center AND Wing comfortably.

I would be fine with most of these guys as the 3/4C but 1. We still need a better OVERALL center (the points are good) than Strome for the 2 spot, and does Chytil move to the wing then or go in a trade etc? It seems almost inevitable we're going to lose a few kids to change the team in the near future.

 

[NYR Viper]

I would be fine with most of these guys as the 3/4C but 1. We still need a better OVERALL center (the points are good) than Strome for the 2 spot, and does Chytil move to the wing then or go in a trade etc? It seems almost inevitable we're going to lose a few kids to change the team in the near future.

If we're just thinking futures here is what I would think may be possible:

Buch to Edmonton For Holloway + 3rd '21
Zib @ 50% for Krebs + LV 1st '21

Panarin-Strome-Kaako
Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier
Lafreniere-Haula/Bonino-Kravtsov
Coleman/Goodrow-Rooney-Barron

I'd probably still look at Oleksiak as a veteran LD

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

watching the exit interviews and how the players talk about Zibanajead, I'd be absolutely shocked if not only is he not signed , but he will be the next captain.

 

[Fitzy]

watching the exit interviews and how the players talk about Zibanajead, I'd be absolutely shocked if not only is he not signed , but he will be the next captain.

Throw in the fact that Vince is reporting that the Rangers want both Zibanejad and Eichel.

Buchnevich and Strome strike me as the most likely cap casualties. Hopefully they can get a solid return for both.

 

[RGY]

If we're just thinking futures here is what I would think may be possible:

Buch to Edmonton For Holloway + 3rd '21
Zib @ 50% for Krebs + LV 1st '21

Panarin-Strome-Kaako
Kreider-Chytil-Gauthier
Lafreniere-Haula/Bonino-Kravtsov
Coleman/Goodrow-Rooney-Barron

I'd probably still look at Oleksiak as a veteran LD

That doesnt look like a playoff bound forward group.

I see Zibanejad staying. I see at least Chytil and Buch/Strome being deal (maybe both).

Rooney can be upgraded. I would be going for both Goodrow and Coleman.

 

[duhmetreE]

Throw in the fact that Vince is reporting that the Rangers want both Zibanejad and Eichel.

Buchnevich and Strome strike me as the most likely cap casualties. Hopefully they can get a solid return for both.

Where did Vince report that?

Only one I trust now is Brooks. Sather is not leaking anything to a young gun

 

[Fitzy]

Where did Vince report that?

Only one I trust now is Brooks. Sather is not leaking anything to a young gun

Get Access

His argument has a logical fallacy in it, but that's what he's suggesting.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

If and I say a big IF, Drury is open to moving Kakko, it should be for Newhook or Byfield.

Think both the Avs and Kings would benefit from adding Kakko while for the Rangers it solves the future 1C. Can move Strome and I'd say extend Zib if he's open to a 5 year $8.5MM contract.

As Newhook or Byfield gets more years under their belt as the 2C and Zib gets a little older, they eventually would naturally swap where Zib becomes the 2C and Newhook/Byfield the 1C.

Can keep Chytil as the 3C or move him to the wing if the Rangers want to bring in a more established 2 way 3C.

 

[duhmetreE]

The ultimate disrespect in hockey is to call someone soft or easy to play against. We are/were both. Thats a failure.

It doesn't mean there wasn't any other good being done. I can understand why they were fired but I still think it was a hasty decision.

 

[NYblades]

If and I say a big IF, Drury is open to moving Kakko, it should be for Newhook or Byfield.

Think both the Avs and Kings would benefit from adding Kakko while for the Rangers it solves the future 1C. Can move Strome and I'd say extend Zib if he's open to a 5 year $8.5MM contract.

As Newhook or Byfield gets more years under their belt as the 2C and Zib gets a little older, they eventually would naturally swap where Zib becomes the 2C and Newhook/Byfield the 1C.

Can keep Chytil as the 3C or move him to the wing if the Rangers want to bring in a more established 2 way 3C.

I'd consider Byfield not Newhook in KK was traded.

 

[Fitzy]

I'd also throw in that I think Kravtsov, not Kakko, is the young wing most likely to be traded.

Kakko's value is artificially low right now because of his slow start.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Throw in the fact that Vince is reporting that the Rangers want both Zibanejad and Eichel.

Buchnevich and Strome strike me as the most likely cap casualties. Hopefully they can get a solid return for both.

Whether fans agree with Eichel or not I agree with the premise, getting two top tier centers win cups. (Bergeron/Krejci, Crosby/Malkin, etc) so I agree that you dont get Eichel if you have to move Zibanejad. I'd rather go to a lesser option like Larkin, Hertl, Lindholm, etc in that case

 

[Boris Zubov]

So the take-away from some Preds fans is that Haula was bad to start the season (most of that team was) but has really improved over the last 20-25 games as he has gotten the opportunity to handle the 3C role. He has speed to spare as well. He may be a good get for a couple of years

If we're trying to become harder to play against, Haula isn't the guy you bring in. He'd fit in on the current team with the pillow soft mentality. Plus he completely disappeared for Vegas during that playoff run to the finals. I like his speed, but literally nothing else about his game.

 

[NYblades]

I'd also throw in that I think Kravtsov, not Kakko, is the young wing most likely to be traded.

Kakko's value is artificially low right now because of his slow start.

I don't think Kravtsov would get any interest by himself from the Kings for Byfield though.

 

[Fitzy]

Problem is that my best Eichel offer would be a super lowball given everything.

Chytil, Buchnevich, Jones, 1st.

Anything more than that and I think we overpaid big time.

I'd much sooner get a young 1B type who is more physical as others have suggested.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I'd also throw in that I think Kravtsov, not Kakko, is the young wing most likely to be traded.

Kakko's value is artificially low right now because of his slow start.

I'd be fine with that lol, I do think Kakko has the much better career (of course it depends where they are)

 

[Fitzy]

I don't think Kravtsov would get any interest by himself from the Kings for Byfield though.

It's my limited understanding that LAK need blueliners.

If that's the case, I'd offer Miller+ for Byfield or Lundkvist+ for him

 

[Leetch3]

Throw in the fact that Vince is reporting that the Rangers want both Zibanejad and Eichel.

Buchnevich and Strome strike me as the most likely cap casualties. Hopefully they can get a solid return for both.

I didn't read it as the rangers want both or can afford both. I read it as Vince's opinion it only makes sense in that scenario because if you trade for Eichel to replace Mika and then hope to trade mika to replace the assets you traded for Eichel, things at best cancel out and you aren't much different then you are now. I think he's looking only at the short term/immediate impact but its a valid thought.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

if the Rangers whether right or not fired JD/Gorton because the rebuild "was going to slow" (maybe other reasons too), they wont be looking at trading for prospects I think we need to accept that again whether its right or not. Now I could see them doing both (if they move Strome, Buch) but not solely will they be going after prospects.