Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[bleedblue94]

Magically evaporate? Kreider is right there. I am also not going to list out every single trade. I gave a generalization of who was traded in those deals. Used 1st and 2nd round picks, plus extra picks acquired in trading Buch and Strome.

As far as contracts go here is what I had, taking into account age, production this past season, likely demand:

Foligno: 3 years @ $4.50 AAV
Goodrow: 3 years @ $2.75 AAV
Coleman: 3 years @ $3.00 AAV
Oleksiak: 3 years @ $2.750 AAV
Igor (EXT): 5 years @ $5.00 AAV — maybe the AAV is off by $500k and maybe the term is off by a year.

Buyout of DeAngelo. Blackwell as the 13th forward. Yes it all fits. Maybe Foligno gets more but he has been averaging 35-40 points now over the last 3 seasons and is 33 years old. If he wants more we walk away. But again it all fits.

I will get ripped for this but this give me PTSD to signing Mike Keane and Brian Skrudland to fill leadership and grit gaps. I know it isn't entirely the same but...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think it was pretty widely reported after the moves were made that no one around the league could understand them and chalked it up to Dolan simply being impulsive.

Link this if you can because I don't remember anything of the sort. I remember a whole lot of hysteria combined with a general tone of WTF on this site, but don't remember league wide disapproval.

The narrative's changed quite a bit since the initial reports came out though - This went from the firing being about the Wilson situation to Dolan being impulsive, to this being in the works for a while to this actually being pushed forward by Sather. We've gotten some more bread crumbs on there being issues in the locker room and other shit that hasn't come to light yet so yeah...

 

[DutchShamrock]

Yeah, but they had their own "things aren't progressing quickly enough" moment when they fired Hextall. And look where they are now.

Bingo. This is the cautionary tale. They got mad Hextall took his time with Hart. Also, he was too conservative with the build and he wasn't pushing to take the next step. Hart imploded under the pressure and their youth wasn't ready. Their ownership sounds like Dolan, the rebuild has gone on long enough. I do feel like the ranger front office has more autonomy. Is it enough though?

 

[Ola]

That’s not a good analogy, no one said anything about Finnish forces helping the Nazis but rather Finnish involvement in the SS. It happened and they were accused of atrocities in Ukraine because they were put on civilian execution duties. The Finnish govt conceded as much. Get used to the truth, it will set you free.

PS I’m also excited about the rebuild

There must be personal records on these things available that are easily accessible at this day and age, it would be pretty fascinating to look into.

As to the moral side, the human race has time and time again proven that we are an awful bunch and have no boundaries to how evil we can be. Collectively we have a responsibility to never act to fire up emotions that can lead to these situations of collective hate again.

 

[MrAlmost]

Link this if you can because I don't remember anything of the sort. I remember a whole lot of hysteria combined with a general tone of WTF on this site, but don't remember league wide disapproval.

The narrative's changed quite a bit since the initial reports came out though - This went from the firing being about the Wilson situation to Dolan being impulsive, to this being in the works for a while to this actually being pushed forward by Sather. We've gotten some more bread crumbs on there being issues in the locker room and other shit that hasn't come to light yet so yeah...

We did? What happened?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We did? What happened?

Strome's break up day media Op.

He mentioned there being things that this team had to deal with that no one knows about.

It'll be somewhere in here (assuming this is the full video):

 

[Ola]

Strome's break up day media Op.

He mentioned there being things that this team had to deal with that no one knows about.

It'll be somewhere in here (assuming this is the full video):

Yeah, and he wasn’t the only one right? Or maybe it was just the same interview but I am thinking of different reports from it.

Anyway, it’s hard to not wonder about what he is referring to...

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah, and he wasn’t the only one right? Or maybe it was just the same interview but I am thinking of different reports from it.

Anyway, it’s hard to not wonder about what he is referring to...

I mean, if it's no longer and issue as he says then you kind of have to assume DeAngelo and Lemieux were somehow involved.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Link this if you can because I don't remember anything of the sort. I remember a whole lot of hysteria combined with a general tone of WTF on this site, but don't remember league wide disapproval.

The narrative's changed quite a bit since the initial reports came out though - This went from the firing being about the Wilson situation to Dolan being impulsive, to this being in the works for a while to this actually being pushed forward by Sather. We've gotten some more bread crumbs on there being issues in the locker room and other shit that hasn't come to light yet so yeah...

the entire hockey world was definitely shocked by the firings. there was not one person i saw around the league that expected this. Larry Brook's tweet was literally "BREAKING: Shocker. Rangers have fired JD and Gorton" ANd it was a flurry of beats and insiders like woah, trying to confirm.

The fact that it's evolved into Sather nudging Dolan or Dolan having become impatient doesn't make me feel any better about the future. But maybe I'm wrong. Idk. But it definitely caught everyone off guard, and clearly if there was unhappiness by Dolan for awhile, he kept it a complete secret because no one in the hockey world saw this coming

 

[EdJovanovski]

I mean, if it's no longer and issue as he says then you kind of have to assume DeAngelo and Lemieux were somehow involved.

Those 3 are like best friends so I don't know if he would be referring to an incident involving them

 

[Fitzy]

Those 3 are like best friends so I don't know if he would be referring to an incident involving them

Fair point.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I will get ripped for this but this give me PTSD to signing Mike Keane and Brian Skrudland to fill leadership and grit gaps. I know it isn't entirely the same but...

Yes, Yes, Yes and more yeses! It is more important to develop your own Depth players than stars. Rangers history is filled with tragedies of attempting to buy character, grit and team dedication. The only exception was during Messier’s first time around.

 

[SA16]

I'm so glad the Flyers are incompetent. No, the Flyers underachieved because of all the extenuating circumstances, not the fact that they are going into their 4th camp with AV and saw exactly how the Rangers went from contender to rebuild under him. Has nothing to do with the coaches.

They are fully indoctrinated to AVs system and it's going to take years to get past that. Not to mention their #1 goalie looks like he was ruined this year.

The Flyers underachieved because their starting goaltender put up a historically bad season.

 

[Fitzy]

There must be personal records on these things available that are easily accessible at this day and age, it would be pretty fascinating to look into.

As to the moral side, the human race has time and time again proven that we are an awful bunch and have no boundaries to how evil we can be. Collectively we have a responsibility to never act to fire up emotions that can lead to these situations of collective hate again.

I mean, when people say things like this I can only respond with 'compared to whom?'

Most of nature is pretty damn brutal and we've got no idea what kind of values hypothetical advanced alien societies might have.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I mean, when people say things like this I can only respond with 'compared to whom?'

Most of nature is pretty damn brutal and we've got no idea what kind of values hypothetical advanced alien societies might have.

Didn’t the Cartoon Network put out a documentary on this?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

With Sather back in the mix I’m sure Larry will have a full expose on what happened behind the scenes in the locker room this season soon enough

 

[duhmetreE]

If Buffalo is blowing it up, I'd take Oloffson.

You know... if LAK are in on Eichel and are willing to give up Byfield or Turcotte... Why not try? Eichel is possibly damaged goods at this point, with $50M still left to pay.

Strome and Lundkvist for Byfield. Too much if we add Buch?

 

[LORDE]

No jelly for you for your next prostrate exam

So just jam then?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

K’Andre Miller End of Season Interview.

 

[LORDE]

I mean, when people say things like this I can only respond with 'compared to whom?'

Most of nature is pretty damn brutal and we've got no idea what kind of values hypothetical advanced alien societies might have.

Not to get off topic but nature is brutal due to the food chain and survival of the fittest... animals don't concoct new, more painful and more efficient ways of killing each other over race, religion or belief systems and culture.

This is a bad argument to attempt.

 

[mas0764]

Friedman on NYR today on 31T:
- Want a guy with experience, which we know.
- NYR doing a lot of research on Gallant since they don't "know" him. Says hes a legit contender.
- Says despite Dolan "loving" torts, he isn't the favorite.
- NYR will be very interested in Rod, but still thinks its unlikely he becomes free.
- Says the losses to the Islanders drove Dolan to boot JD/JG

Stupid overreaction if true.

 

[mas0764]

Is Florida actually open to trading Lundell? Teams generally don’t trade high-end center prospects unless a team really overpays, right?

Couldn't Buch (a 26 year old first line winger) and Howden (a young, cost controlled possibly future 3C/current 4C) constitute an overpayment?

 

[duhmetreE]

following the Gallant theme... is there any 'rejects' or reclamation centers out there? The next William Karlsson if you will.

 

[Fitzy]

Not to get off topic but nature is brutal due to the food chain and survival of the fittest... animals don't concoct new, more painful and more efficient ways of killing each other over race, religion or belief systems and culture.

This is a bad argument to attempt.

It isn't a 'bad' argument, it's a debate that moral philosophers have been going back and forth about for hundreds of years.

Animals don't just kill to eat. They rape (Sometimes not even their own species or infants), fight wars, engage in cannibalism, ect.

Not everyone finds it convincing, but Pinker has a book 'better angels of our nature' suggesting that violence is trending heavily downward as civilization progresses.